STILL AM FIGHTERS?

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 27 Nov 2007, 01:39

there is alot of amatuer guys that get paid to train and dont do anything else and this happens all over the world i beleive once you stop working or school and only train or fight and have sponsers that pay you money you are no longer an amatuer its what you do all day i think there is a problem with that, there is pro fighters who work and train not just train and they are classed as pro athelites in my opinion ince you stop work and train only even if its away at the institute of sport(wich is what we have here in australia-AIS) you are no longer a amatuer athlete ur a full time boxer aka as a professional

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 27 Nov 2007, 12:14

I think the line is going to get even more blurred in the future.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 27 Nov 2007, 15:33

there is alot of amatuer guys that get paid to train and dont do anything else and this happens all over the world i beleive once you stop working or school and only train or fight and have sponsers that pay you money you are no longer an amatuer

Sort of a fine line. You are not considered amateur once you are paid to compete, i.e., receive money for participating in a specific bout. However, USA Boxing does have a trust fund setup whereby amateur boxers can receive monies from tournaments, sponsors, managers. This situation only applies to a minority of the boxers in the U.S. Most of our boxers struggle to get time to train and compete.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 01 Dec 2007, 13:02

i know france had a rule where you could stay amateur if you boxed pro for only a few bouts!! do they still have that and are there any other countries that do too?!?

That's probably a country rule only and boxers in that situation cannot advance in tournaments leading to international competition. AIBA sets the rules for all amateur boxing and one still is that once you've boxed pro, you are no longer an amateur.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 02 Dec 2007, 14:20

i know there has been talk about changing to allow certain pros compete as amateurs...any realistic chance of this happening in foreseeable future?

There was talk some years ago. It isn't happening anytime soon, if ever.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 02 Dec 2007, 22:13

Why wouldn't you think pros will be allowed? There are many Olympic sports that allow pros to compete so I don't see why that won't happen to boxing someday.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 02 Dec 2007, 22:43

Dennis wrote:Why wouldn't you think pros will be allowed? There are many Olympic sports that allow pros to compete so I don't see why that won't happen to boxing someday.

In my opinion it would completely ruin Olympic boxing if they let pros compete at the Olympics, which I just can't see them doing. Basketball is one thing, boxing is something completely different. Besides, the rules of the two systems are also very different.

On that note though, I think there was a big fuss about it but Ruslan Chagaev had a pro fight or two before winning his Silver at the World Championships, I believe. [/list]

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 02 Dec 2007, 22:57

There was talk that only those who had been pro for only two to three years would be eligible. I guess they figured it would be easier for them to qualify through the amateur system if they hadn't have been out of it for very long. However, it didn't happen and I don't think it will. As Kolya said, they are two different sports with two different sets of rules.

In the former regime, Ruslan was "forgiven" for his two pro bouts by being suspended for a year and was then allowed to resume his amateur career.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 02 Dec 2007, 23:05

So a pro was allowed to box as an amateur - Ruslan.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 03 Dec 2007, 10:10

At that time, yes.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 03 Dec 2007, 15:15

If it happened once, it could happen again.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 03 Dec 2007, 15:30

IF AIBA breaks their own rules. Remember - Wu's platform was cleaning up corruption and bringing "fairness" back to the sport. I doubt that he'll undermine himself. But, who knows..........

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 03 Dec 2007, 15:32

They all say that until it benefits them, their country or a boxer they like. If they actually stick to their statements, then they have integrity which is what we need in our sport.

JMac · Post by **JMac** » 05 Dec 2007, 11:39

Dennis wrote:So a pro was allowed to box as an amateur - Ruslan.

I am pretty sure he had beaten Savon I think in the World Cup or somewhere and had that gold medal taken away when they found out he had the 2 pro fights in Chicago. He came back and boxed in the '01 World Championships in Belfast and won the gold with former US Olympic and Army coach Kenny Adams in his corner.

Roberts J · Post by **Roberts J** » 05 Dec 2007, 14:57

My coach actually trained him when he was here in Chicago. Then he beat Savon. Intresting story.