David Haye

Dioufy · Post by **Dioufy** » 03 Dec 2007, 06:29

So, who's his next fight at heavyweight then?

I wouldn't mind him fighting Oleg Maskaev in the summer if Maskaev gets beat off Samuel Peter. Or even a glass-chinned Hasim Rahman - big name but he's past it, so what's the problem?

Miuna · Post by **Miuna** » 03 Dec 2007, 06:32

Would love to see him get a crack at a belt before any of FW's merry-go-round pack

Dioufy · Post by **Dioufy** » 03 Dec 2007, 06:48

Ruslan Chagaev for the WBA heavyweight title then?

HairyBoxe24 · Post by **HairyBoxe24** » 03 Dec 2007, 06:56

I'd like him to have one warmup, I think someone like Gammer, not sure if he's retired now and the fact he's with Frank, but fight rise, it'd be good to get him used to the big boys.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 03 Dec 2007, 07:20

They spoke of a three year assault on the heavyweight scene. Given he's 27, that seems sensible.

I suspect Haye would wish to move quicker, it will be hard for him to keep the same focus without the weight issue tp keep him honest at the fridge and in the gym.

Paulo Vidoz would be my pick next.

Dioufy · Post by **Dioufy** » 03 Dec 2007, 07:24

If it's a warm-up you're after then Hasim Rahman must be perfect as he's got a suspect spin, well no chin half of the time, and hardly any fitness anymore, hence why he's only boxing ten rounds these days, so Rahman in my opinion would be ideal. And that's ignoring the fact that he was once a world champion, so Haye would get a bit of press, both here and stateside.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 03 Dec 2007, 08:29

Yeah thats right-- from inept useless Tomas Bonin to Hasim frickin Rahman. There's a gradual progression.

I think Guillermo Jones is a more obvious second step in the heavyweight ranks.

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 03 Dec 2007, 08:40

Dioufy wrote:If it's a warm-up you're after then Hasim Rahman must be perfect as he's got a suspect spin, well no chin half of the time, and hardly any fitness anymore, hence why he's only boxing ten rounds these days, so Rahman in my opinion would be ideal. And that's ignoring the fact that he was once a world champion, so Haye would get a bit of press, both here and stateside.

Rahman is a big, hard hitting heavyweight who has been operating at world title level for what? 8 years?

Hows he going to be a "warm-up" fight for Haye, or anyone for that matter?

cretin

Datsue · Post by **Datsue** » 03 Dec 2007, 08:43

A really big fecker who can absorb some blasts without being too much of a threat offensively. Vidoz has got quite a solid beard, hasn't he? Although he can crack a bit. Just a guy who will be stronger than him & able to take what he can dish out, so he can get the rounds.

After that, I'd reverse it: get Haye to fight someone that'll make him get his fricking hands up. Someone reasonably immobile but powerful, who can make him work hard & think about his boxing, but who won't be maneouvrable enough to finish the job should (when?) Haye get(s) sat on his arse.

He needs this sooner rather than later, if you ask me: there's a wave of UK fighters who fight like they're seven-foot versions of Tommy Hearns & David must get this lesson stuffed down his throat ASAP.

Still love him to bits though, & hope he is as successful at heavy as at cruiser.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 03 Dec 2007, 08:49

DavidPayne wrote:They spoke of a three year assault on the heavyweight scene. Given he's 27, that seems sensible.

I suspect Haye would wish to move quicker, it will be hard for him to keep the same focus without the weight issue tp keep him honest at the fridge and in the gym.

Paulo Vidoz would be my pick next.

I think it's 3 years to unify David so the progress will have to be fairly quick

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 03 Dec 2007, 09:04

Why not do things gradually, as Haye already said he was going to?

It's so fricking obvious that he's not going to go for a quick title shot. He has to become the fighter he wants to be, by taking the fights that will build him, test him and buy him the ranking.

No point getting ahead of ourselves. Haye told Boxing News he wanted to retire when he'd won a heavyweight belt at about 30 with no defenses. So it seems - unless there has been some kind of shock, earth shattering announcement - that he'll probably do the same as he did at cruiserweight, with European then world level fights.

Honestly, do we need this thread?

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 03 Dec 2007, 09:52

I would like him to try European fighters but people who will test how his stamina lasts in 5 rounds of being hit by a HW in the body is no cake walk.

I would like to see Micheal Sprott if it can be made without too many options.

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 03 Dec 2007, 10:56

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
Dioufy wrote:If it's a warm-up you're after then Hasim Rahman must be perfect as he's got a suspect spin, well no chin half of the time, and hardly any fitness anymore, hence why he's only boxing ten rounds these days, so Rahman in my opinion would be ideal. And that's ignoring the fact that he was once a world champion, so Haye would get a bit of press, both here and stateside.
Rahman is a big, hard hitting heavyweight who has been operating at world title level for what? 8 years?

Hows he going to be a "warm-up" fight for Haye, or anyone for that matter?

cretin

He was a journeyman who got onto world title level by virtue of ambushing a woefully unprepared Lennox. After that he has gradually sunk back to his natural journeyman level and if you have seen the state of him in his recent fights it would most certainly be a warm up for Haye.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 03 Dec 2007, 10:59

rahman would be decent. like at cruiser, haye needs plenty of fights where he's not knocking his opponents all out in 1 round.

Dioufy · Post by **Dioufy** » 03 Dec 2007, 11:13

Hasim Rahman would be a warm-up for David Haye.

I mean he's hardly beat anyone of any great stature, has he, well apart from Lewis, who like someone has already said, was hideously under-prepared. I also actually watched his last two bouts against a journeyman in Zuri Lawrence (which would've been a split-decision hadn't the referee stopped it in the final round) and Cerrone Fox (who has lost his last three fights and who had been KO'ed five times in fourteen fights). And he wasn't too impressive in those two fights.

Now come on - he would hardly cause David Haye any real problems, hence the "warm-up" remark.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 03 Dec 2007, 11:15

Autobarn wrote:rahman would be decent. like at cruiser, haye needs plenty of fights where he's not knocking his opponents all out in 1 round.

Rahman fights people on the edge of world class and wins i.e. Mont Barrett etc. He was a WBC top 10 fighter before Lewis but that shot came to early then he spent a while operating at a level that was no good for him and was above where he should have been fighting to develop himself as a fighter.

Haye may fight him but if he got in that fight in 2 or 3 fights time in my view he should stay around the European level.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 03 Dec 2007, 13:22

Haha. People swaying wildly between Michael Sprott or Hasim Rahman?

Rahman was no journeman coming into the Lewis fight-- 34-2 with an IBF elimantor to his name and wins over Sullivan, Sanders, Ferguson, Berbick, Puritty, others. Hardly the credentials of a 'journeyman'

So he couldn't cut it with Holyfield or Ruiz. Recently Maskaev outgutted him down the stretch. If you people think even a past it Rahman is 'no test for David Haye' you must be absolutely frickin looney. Hes a huge strong experienced guy that can go long. He is leagues above Tomasz Bonin.

Michael Sprott- a guy who can be dangerous and is experienced but also has lost at British and European level, thats a more suitable test for David Haye.

You guys massively overrate some of our guys. Until Haye sparks a legit heavyweight contender, hes still the cruiser who was on the floor against Mock, Thompson and Mormeck...

DIRT SUGAR · Post by **DIRT SUGAR** » 03 Dec 2007, 13:32

Michael Sprott. Decent name who everyone this side of the pond knows from banging out Audley.

Not a serious world-class threat if he has true heavyweight title aspirations, but a decent fighter – not a juggernaut heavy either.

If Haye can bang Sprott out in style it'll put him at the forefront of the British scene. Then, he could go up against Skelton before then looking at the likes of decent American fringe contenders.

Still not sure what will happen when he takes a proper heavyweight punch. One can't yet say if his vulnerability has been down to making weight. I have my doubts and think he could be a bit chinny ala Michael Moorer, ie top of the head punches just short-circuit him.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 03 Dec 2007, 13:35

overhand_right wrote:Haha. People swaying wildly between Michael Sprott or Hasim Rahman?

Rahman was no journeman coming into the Lewis fight-- 34-2 with an IBF elimantor to his name and wins over Sullivan, Sanders, Ferguson, Berbick, Puritty, others. Hardly the credentials of a 'journeyman'

So he couldn't cut it with Holyfield or Ruiz. Recently Maskaev outgutted him down the stretch. If you people think even a past it Rahman is 'no test for David Haye' you must be absolutely frickin looney. Hes a huge strong experienced guy that can go long. He is leagues above Tomasz Bonin.

Michael Sprott- a guy who can be dangerous and is experienced but also has lost at British and European level, thats a more suitable test for David Haye.

You guys massively overrate some of our guys. Until Haye sparks a legit heavyweight contender, hes still the cruiser who was on the floor against Mock, Thompson and Mormeck...

Well I think if he establishes himself as a European level fighter he can rightly be called a HW, so beating Sprott Vidos etc would put him as a legit HW.

I would like to see 3 maybe 4 European level fighters in 2008 Sprott is No. 6 Vidos No. 7, San (5), Krasniqi idealy I'd like him to take on 3 of them and maybe one similar level of fighter in the USA possibly Rahman but only after a couple of those fights and hope for a shot at the EBU title early 2009 that would give him a really good base of experiance and proven class to go for a shot at the title.

I know its easy to make these theoretical plans from the sidlines but that is how I would blood him.

Dioufy · Post by **Dioufy** » 03 Dec 2007, 13:47

I don't "overrate" David Haye, I just think that he would beat a shopworn Rahman.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 03 Dec 2007, 14:16

Rahman is past his best, but he has never been a journeyman!
The man is a two time heavyweight champion of the world.

Julius Francis was a journeyman.
Rahman is a couple of levels above that trust me.

Sinan Samil Sam is a great shout in my opinion.
Plodding fighter without great power, but he has a fantastic chin...imagine if Haye stopped him?
That would be some feat.

Haye should keep away from the British merry-go-round.

Two or three Euro level opponents before cracking the heads of a couple of Yanks should set Haye up nicely at Heavyweight.
He could fit them all in before late 2009, early 2010, when Povetkin will be the main man in the division, setting up a pretty big fight between the two(Solis could also be a major player in the division by then...renew the old amateur rivalry perhaps?)

It's pretty straight forward if you ask me

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 03 Dec 2007, 17:07

HairyBoxe24 wrote:I'd like him to have one warmup, I think someone like Gammer, not sure if he's retired now and the fact he's with Frank, but fight rise, it'd be good to get him used to the big boys.

Gammer has retired so I hear but I wouldnt like to see him fight the British bunch anyway - Three good fights in 2008 gradually stepping up in class and fight for a world title in 2009 - I think he has a good chance.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 03 Dec 2007, 17:12

WildWaylon wrote:
HairyBoxe24 wrote:I'd like him to have one warmup, I think someone like Gammer, not sure if he's retired now and the fact he's with Frank, but fight rise, it'd be good to get him used to the big boys.
Gammer has retired so I hear but I wouldnt like to see him fight the British bunch anyway - Three good fights in 2008 gradually stepping up in class and fight for a world title in 2009 - I think he has a good chance.

The only problem with the british bunch is if it means they aren't going to take you any further like Williams and Skelton's yawn fest (sorry rivalry). However thats not such a problem with Haye if he does it right. Sprott is highly rated by the EBU fighter and a good test and a good learning fight which Haye aught to but won't deffinatly win.