unsanctioned bouts

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 30 Nov 2007, 13:45

No. We couldn't get the sanction transferred in time to another venue

What happened to the original venue? And how much time in advance did you have to switch venues?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 30 Nov 2007, 14:22

Mel - things like this often happen with a first time show. Many local shows that are put on by someone doing it for the first time turn out to be very unorganized and LOTS of problems. They forget the ring, the gloves, the doctor, the officials, the sanction application, etc. Sometimes they don't contact enough coaches/gyms and don't get enough boxers to enter the show. I have seen a lot of different problems. Usually people with more experience try to help out and save the show. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

USA Boxing could give seminars at National tournaments on putting together a boxing show. I understand that they may not be familiar with organizing a club show, but if they organized the seminar they could get coaches and officials to present it. It would be very helpful to all. They could even have presenters with novel ideas on how to promote the show and get sponsors for the show. Too many shows don't really make the club any money. One of the main goals of the shows should be to provide funding for the local clubs.

Mel - before you tell me to contact USA Boxing, I already have.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 30 Nov 2007, 14:44

The event was to happen Saturday (the 1st) at 6pm and they called us Thursday at 4pm and told us it was off and we couldn't use their gym.

Thanks, Amy. That's a shame. Too bad they committed the gym in the first place.

We were offered a venue but apparently our coach couldn't get a hold of anyone at USA Boxing to discuss switching the sanction insurance to the new venue,

Do you know if he called your Registration Chair? He should have been able to take care of it for you. Reaching someone at USA Boxing is difficult, to say the least.

It's too bad. Not we look bad to the community.

You shouldn't. It wasn't your fault.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 30 Nov 2007, 14:49

Sometimes reaching the registration chair in certain LBC's can be difficult. Maybe even more difficult than contacting someone in CS, CO.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 01 Dec 2007, 01:13

boxmel wrote:
The event was to happen Saturday (the 1st) at 6pm and they called us Thursday at 4pm and told us it was off and we couldn't use their gym.
Thanks, Amy. That's a shame. Too bad they committed the gym in the first place.

We were offered a venue but apparently our coach couldn't get a hold of anyone at USA Boxing to discuss switching the sanction insurance to the new venue,
Do you know if he called your Registration Chair? He should have been able to take care of it for you. Reaching someone at USA Boxing is difficult, to say the least.

It's too bad. Not we look bad to the community.
You shouldn't. It wasn't your fault.

He called our Chief of Officials apparently to ask him if he knew what the rules were on switching a sanction or using it somewhere else; but the COO wasn't aware of the new rules completely. I think from what our coach heard today from someone in CS, we could have just switched the venue and the sanction would have still been good. [/list]

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 01 Dec 2007, 01:37

He called our Chief of Officials apparently to ask him if he knew what the rules were on switching a sanction or using it somewhere else; but the COO wasn't aware of the new rules completely. I think from what our coach heard today from someone in CS, we could have just switched the venue and the sanction would have still been good.

I don't know anything about "new rules," but I think that if you switch a sanction you have to have the address of the new venue or it won't be covered. I'll have to look into that.

thenalo · Post by **thenalo** » 04 Dec 2007, 02:02

has anyone heard of a change in rules where boxers can compete in toughman as long as not being paid? i still don't agree with this, but it is what i am hearing in this area.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 04 Dec 2007, 02:21

thenalo wrote:has anyone heard of a change in rules where boxers can compete in toughman as long as not being paid? i still don't agree with this, but it is what i am hearing in this area.

I would think it's still a no; because it's not sanctioned by USA Boxing but is competition (not sparring). It might be considered an exhibition, which is still a no-no.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 Dec 2007, 10:16

has anyone heard of a change in rules where boxers can compete in toughman as long as not being paid? i still don't agree with this, but it is what i am hearing in this area.

Nalo - there have been NO rule changes. And I doubt seriously that our insurance company would allow the above.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 04 Dec 2007, 15:09

Toughman is still against the rules, but they have allowed "Tough Gloves" shows to be sanctioned. These are strictly amateur events with no money being paid to the contestants. Maybe that is what you are thinking about Kolya.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:11

but they have allowed "Tough Gloves" shows to be sanctioned

Was that a toughman show?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 05 Dec 2007, 00:13

No, it is tough gloves. Strictly amateur bouts and they follow USA Boxing rules and have USA Boxing sanctions.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 Dec 2007, 10:17

If that's Art Dore's mess, I think it was sanctioned once or twice - in Michigan? I also know USA Boxing wasn't happy with the event. Is it still happening?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Dec 2007, 02:32

Tough gloves happened in MI and it drew some large crowds. Art puts on shows that actually get crowds.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Dec 2007, 10:09

Anything that approximates "tough man" is popular and will pull crowds. Is he still doing USA Boxing sanctioned shows?

miboxref · Post by **miboxref** » 06 Dec 2007, 10:50

There have been many Tough Gloves shows in Michigan over the last few years. They have been held all over the state. The most popular ones have been the shows in Bay City. I think the last one in Michigan was the outdoor show in Bay City in June.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Dec 2007, 10:55

Thanks Ron - you would know more specifics than me since I don't attend as many shows as you.

miboxref · Post by **miboxref** » 06 Dec 2007, 10:58

Actually, the last one was a pro-am in Bay City on 8-16-07.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Dec 2007, 13:06

Ron - obviously they are still sanctioned - are they being held within USA Boxing rules?

miboxref · Post by **miboxref** » 06 Dec 2007, 15:33

They follow all USA Boxing rules. I've not been a big fan of these shows, but I must say anything we've ever brought to Art's attention that wasn't right he has had corrected on the spot, no questions asked. He has been very easy to work with.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Dec 2007, 15:50

Art's shows are helping boxing by getting fans to see the sport and they get more individuals into boxing. I've seen the shows and they have followed all the rules and the refs such as Ron have done a fine job to ensure the safety of everyone involved. And of course there are pre and post-bout physicals and there is a doctor present at ringside.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Dec 2007, 16:22

Glad to hear Dore is following the rules. I don't particularly care for his type of "amateur" boxing, however.

babyhuey · Post by **babyhuey** » 06 Dec 2007, 21:47

boxmel wrote:Glad to hear Dore is following the rules. I don't particularly care for his type of "amateur" boxing, however.

so whats the main difference at a amateur show of this dore's guys shows..??
if hes following usa boxing rules, what would be the difference,
is it more fat out of shape older guys, or untrained bar room style fighters..???

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Dec 2007, 23:44

babyhuey wrote:
boxmel wrote:Glad to hear Dore is following the rules. I don't particularly care for his type of "amateur" boxing, however.

so whats the main difference at a amateur show of this dore's guys shows..??
if hes following usa boxing rules, what would be the difference,
is it more fat out of shape older guys, or untrained bar room style fighters..???

Mostly beginners or less experienced novice boxers. There are very few open-class bouts. It is sort of like the Guns-n-hoses shows where he gets guys from different areas and all their friends come to support them. The places get packed.