What boxers turrned pro or are turning pro, this year?

squarering · Post by **squarering** » 04 Dec 2007, 16:10

Thanks Dennis, I see all the mistakes that people I don't even know or see write about and just hope no one thinks I came up with this stuff. They said he was training under the tutalage of Barry Hunter, and yes we do go to Barry's to sparr and if Barry sees something he gives his imput and yes hopefully he will be part of our team, so I don't care what they say about that stuff, I just can't figure out if he's training under Barry, why is it my ass that's freezing out on the track.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:13

You should always see the copy before it goes to print.

squarering · Post by **squarering** » 04 Dec 2007, 21:42

You are right Mel, Good recommendation.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 Dec 2007, 22:35

You are right Mel, Good recommendation.

Words of wisdom from experience.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 04 Dec 2007, 23:59

Reporters don't like to have their stories edited by the subjects of their stories. It happens all the time, but rarely do you get the chance to review and edit the stories before they go to press. Now there isn't an excuse for press releases to contain errors. Those are submitted by the manager or publicist and should be reviewed prior to sending them out to the newspapers.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 Dec 2007, 10:21

However, if the manger or publicist doesn't know the facts or is tweaking the facts, inaccuracies will not get caught.

squarering · Post by **squarering** » 05 Dec 2007, 13:56

Dennis, I'm not going to have to send you a retainer for your advice, amI?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 Dec 2007, 14:51

Hal, I don't charge, so no worry there.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 05 Dec 2007, 16:57

You get what you pay for.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 Dec 2007, 17:32

Ya know, Counsel, sticks and stones............... :P :P

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Dec 2007, 02:27

Just having fun.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Dec 2007, 10:13

More likely just picking on an old lady. Gender AND age discrimination.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Dec 2007, 11:05

No, you're just over-sensitive.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Dec 2007, 13:14

Who, me, paranoid? Sheesh!

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Dec 2007, 15:31

boxmel wrote:Who, me, paranoid? Sheesh!

I said sensitive not paranoid.

miboxref · Post by **miboxref** » 06 Dec 2007, 16:00

Say what you want about Mel, but you can't find a better good luck charm for level 3 tests.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Dec 2007, 16:21

Definitely not sensitive. Gotta have thick armor in amateur boxing. And be certifiably insane.

cornerbanger · Post by **cornerbanger** » 06 Dec 2007, 23:31

In my area there are supposed to be a few: Excell Holmes 201+, Lionel Thompson 178, and Anthony Casal 152. These are guys from the Buffalo/Niagara Falls area.

NYboxing · Post by **NYboxing** » 06 Dec 2007, 23:51

Sammy DiPace will turn pro on a Top Rank promoted card on Telefutura in Las Cruces, New Mexico on December 21st.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 07 Dec 2007, 10:48

Say what you want about Mel, but you can't find a better good luck charm for level 3 tests.

And where were you the last two or three times I've taken it?

emile · Post by **emile** » 07 Dec 2007, 11:01

Fernando Guerrero is also debuting tomorrow night in Mississippi.

streetword · Post by **streetword** » 07 Dec 2007, 13:34

To the readers of Max Boxing (http://www.maxboxing.com), the November issue article on Danny Jacobs titled East Coast Notebook: Jacobs Comes Full Circle; Preps for Pro Debut, may sound like a Greek drama of betrayal and reunion. However, this hybrid of fact and fiction barely skims the surface of sub-plots and shenanigans that contributed mightily to destroy the Olympic hopes and dreams of an aspiring superstar.

As a supremely talented amateur, Danny Jacobs should have earned a spot on the Olympic team. His failure to do so is certainly NOT the fault of your misplaced antagonist, the legendary Mark Breland. In fact, much of the blame lays at the feet of the great hero in your story Andre Rozier.

Breland only agreed to take Jacobs to training camp in Texas with Victor Roundtree only after Rozier neglectfully failed to make appropriate arrangements for Jacobs to go to a training camp in New York. As a result, eight weeks of advanced training for what would be the most important tournament of Jacobs’ amateur career dwindled down to a mere three weeks. Finally, he was sent to train with Mark and Victor in Texas.

Let us not forget what happened to Jacobs in his bid for the 2004 Olympics. His trainers Roundtree and Rozier FAILED to get him to the weigh in ON TIME for the championship round of the Eastern Trials. Jacobs lost a qualifying tournament neither in the ring, nor on the scales - - but simply because he was not brought to the scales in a timely fashion. This again was blatant neglect

For the 2008 Olympic Trials, Under Breland’s tutelage Jacobs trained to master the important facets of the Olympic Style Boxing. Mr. Rozier’s pride, however, did not let him take a small step back to allow the young man to fully prepare for the opportunity of a lifetime. So instead of focus, confusion reigned supreme as the trials begun. With Rozier on site, working with Sadam Ali, Jacobs found himself having to make spur of the moment decisions on who would work his corner… this simply to appease anyone that might be offended. Who would it be? Mark Breland, one of the greatest amateurs of all time and a two time world champion or Andre Rozier. There was never any question as to Roundtree’s place, him being the primary trainer throughout Jacobs’ career.

With Roundtree and Breland at his side, Jacobs looked sensational in his opening bout at the Olympic Trials – defeating Shaun Porter (30 – 18) – and, thus, avenging the only loss he had in three years! Guilt-ridden, without warning, he cast Breland aside for the second bout and opted to have Rozier work the next bout. Then for the third bout, Jacobs switched again. This disruption of momentum and fluidity was probably not the brightest of ideas while in the midst of one of the most defining tournaments of his career but Jacobs felt it was necessary to stroke certain egos. The flip flop and mental games took its toll on Jacobs and he would eventually lose to Shawn Estrada, a young man he beat on previous occasions. This cast him into the loser’s bracket where he would fight his way to the top and meet Shawn Estrada again, only to lose to him yet another time and hand over the Olympic Seat he longed for.

In retrospect, Danny’s undefeated streak did not end at the Olympic Trials, but in the US Championships, delivered by Shawn Porter - - whom Jacobs beat three times prior. For that tournament, Jacobs trained his with long time trainers Victor Roundtree and Andre Rozier. He earned that berth into the quarter finals of the US Championships by winning the PAL Nationals. The preparation for the PAL Nationals was actually done, not with his longtime trainers, but in Florida with Mike Ocasio a man who did not mind allowing Danny’s longtime trainers receive the accolades for that most impressive performance of the tournament. Jacobs was named fighter of the tournament at the 2006 PAL Nationals. Ocasio accepted anonymity because it was more a thrill to help the kid on his journey to greatness than his own internal need for recognition..

So what happens next for Mr. Jacobs? On December 8th on the undercard of Mayweather / Hatton in Las Vegas, Danny Jacobs, aka The Golden Child, will embark on his professional career with his longtime trainers Andre Rozier and Victor Roundtree by his side. We wish him the very best of luck.

But, on whom should we cast the light of suspicion for bringing Danny Jacobs’ Olympic dreams to a screeching halt knowledgeable boxing readers can quickly discern fault could be said to lay with his own trainers and ultimately his own bad judgment. Not with others.

The Golden Child’s story is not a case of betrayal and reunion - - but more a case of simple, blatant neglect and foolish loyalty. Let’s hope Al Heyman, Jacobs’ new manager, is paying careful attention. A young man with such extraordinary talent will continue to be successful when trained by anyone who shows a commitment beyond their own ego.

Yes, this is the brass knuckles version of the truth, and as we all know … the truth hurts.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 07 Dec 2007, 14:40

Streetword, always good to see someone post their opinion. I may have needed to wash my glasses in Houston, but,

Guilt-ridden, without warning, he cast Breland aside for the second bout and opted to have Rozier work the next bout. Then for the third bout, Jacobs switched again.

I do not remember Andre working Danny's corner at the Trials. I talked to Andre about Danny but in the context of Mark Breeland as his trainer. If Andre worked his corner, I definitely missed it. And maybe I did. In reading your account of the Trials, it kinds looks like Danny defeated himself with his alleged indecision.

I also think you have a typo in your decision of Danny's first bout with Porter - he defeated Shawn 30-18, not 30-1.

And do you have any idea why he didn't show up for his first bout at the 2004 U.S. Championships (a qualifier for the 2004 Trials)?

streetword · Post by **streetword** » 07 Dec 2007, 16:08

Yes, Rozier did work one of the bouts, his second if my memory serves me correctly.

2004 US Championships? I do not recall at this time.

It does sound like Jacobs defeated himself but he was aided and abetted by his own long time trainers, not anyone else. Where was the good sense and proper guidance?

And you are right 30-18.

NYboxing · Post by **NYboxing** » 08 Dec 2007, 01:11

Karl Dargan made his boxing debut with a unanimous decision over Robert Norris in a four-round bout. Scores: 40-36, 40-36, 39-37.

What boxers turrned pro or are turning pro, this year?

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