Reasons why Team USA is not as good as they can be

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 02 Dec 2007, 14:28

There are 20,000+ registered amateur boxers in the United States (including women and juniors). The top ten LBCs are below, showing the number of registered athletes:

1. Southern California with 1,883
2. South Texas with 1,301
3. Michigan with 1,152
4. Metropolitan NY with 1,105
5. Illinois with 1081
6. South2western with 947
7. Gulf with 923
8. Florida with 910
9. New England with 899
10. Northern California with 746

The gyms might be "closing like wildfire" but the number of athletes aren't declining.

I think the "decay" in boxing is because the pros have turned into a business and the fights aren't exciting any more. Amateur boxing isn't popular because fans who are pro-oriented want to see blood, and fights go until someone is pounded into the ground.

classboxer · Post by **classboxer** » 02 Dec 2007, 17:28

boxmel wrote:There are 20,000+ registered amateur boxers in the United States (including women and juniors). The top ten LBCs are below, showing the number of registered athletes:

1. Southern California with 1,883
2. South Texas with 1,301
3. Michigan with 1,152
4. Metropolitan NY with 1,105
5. Illinois with 1081
6. South2western with 947
7. Gulf with 923
8. Florida with 910
9. New England with 899
10. Northern California with 746

The gyms might be "closing like wildfire" but the number of athletes aren't declining.

I think the "decay" in boxing is because the pros have turned into a business and the fights aren't exciting any more. Amateur boxing isn't popular because fans who are pro-oriented want to see blood, and fights go until someone is pounded into the ground.

There are less AM gyms although i am not an expert on LA gyms with women registered boxers,Am Gyms closing down in the USA

Its all the reason for lack of world class AM talent in America,its all the reason

Ali Olympic Gold

Foreman Olympic Gold

Ray Leonard Olympic GOLD

Great AMS = Great boxers

btw

Less AM gyms = less talent

very simple

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 02 Dec 2007, 22:10

I haven't seen less talent. Maybe, just maybe the rest of the world is getting better AND the amateur scoring system favors a certain Euopean style.

Roberts J · Post by **Roberts J** » 02 Dec 2007, 22:13

Dennis wrote:I haven't seen less talent. Maybe, just maybe the rest of the world is getting better AND the amateur scoring system favors a certain Euopean style.

I agree.

classboxer · Post by **classboxer** » 04 Dec 2007, 18:51

Dennis wrote:I haven't seen less talent. Maybe, just maybe the rest of the world is getting better AND the amateur scoring system favors a certain Euopean style.

You havent seen less AM talent in the USA ?

LOL<LOL<LOL

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Here is THE TRUTH

To many AM gyms have closed in the USA

Less AM gyms = less talent

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Get the picture ?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:15

Get the picture ?

Unfortunately not. You're taking up too much space, making it too tiresome to read what you've posted - you really should back up your assertions with facts.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 05 Dec 2007, 00:02

Just because he says so it must be true.

I have watched a lot of amateur boxing for the past 30 years and really there hasn't been a decline in the US. There are still some fantastic boxers.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 05 Dec 2007, 00:28

boxmel wrote:There are 20,000+ registered amateur boxers in the United States (including women and juniors). The top ten LBCs are below, showing the number of registered athletes:

1. Southern California with 1,883
2. South Texas with 1,301
3. Michigan with 1,152
4. Metropolitan NY with 1,105
5. Illinois with 1081
6. South2western with 947
7. Gulf with 923
8. Florida with 910
9. New England with 899
10. Northern California with 746

The gyms might be "closing like wildfire" but the number of athletes aren't declining.

I think the "decay" in boxing is because the pros have turned into a business and the fights aren't exciting any more. Amateur boxing isn't popular because fans who are pro-oriented want to see blood, and fights go until someone is pounded into the ground.

Mel, out of curiosity, is there somewhere you can view the number of registered athletes in an LBC, or do you have the numbers at your disposal? I'd be curious to see how many are registered in Montana.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 Dec 2007, 10:20

Kolya, the top 10 numbers were given to us at the annual meeting this year. When we could vote, we used to get the numbers for all the LBCs, but no more. If I can find any past info, it will be at least three years old. You should also be able to get that info from your LBC registration chair.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Dec 2007, 02:30

The boxing people should still have a vote. No input is a bad thing.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Dec 2007, 10:12

Oh, we can "input." Whether or not it's accepted and acted on is another story. However - I will say that it did work in the area of athlete registration. The "rolling year" proposal was put forward at the annual meeting and was resoundingly rejected by the membership in attendance. USAB is now working on another solution. But since we still don't have any "news" from the annual meeting, and haven't received the hard copy of Millman's presentation as promised, who knows..........

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Dec 2007, 16:12

Without a vote, many LBC's didn't even bother to send a representative. This is according to those that were in attendance.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Dec 2007, 16:23

Without a vote, many LBC's didn't even bother to send a representative. This is according to those that were in attendance.

Many people didn't go for that reason. USAB paid for all the Task Force members; the rest of us paid our own way.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Dec 2007, 23:28

I'm glad a few paid their own way and went. The more voices that are heard the better.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 07 Dec 2007, 10:50

I'm glad a few paid their own way and went. The more voices that are heard the better.

Being heard and effecting change are two different subjects. Millman is a good listener, but will he be a good implementer? And will he listen to anyone other than the BOD and Task Force Chairs? We'll see.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 10 Dec 2007, 13:45

Good point Mel, but if he doesn't hear it we have no chance of him listening to it. So everyone should speak up and let their voices be heard!

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 10 Dec 2007, 17:40

So everyone should speak up and let their voices be heard!

And to whom do you suggest vocalizing? Hmmm?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 11 Dec 2007, 09:07

USA Boxing, USOC, general amateur boxing public, etc. The more info is put out there, the better chance we have of changing rules and procedures.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 11 Dec 2007, 10:16

Good luck.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 11 Dec 2007, 12:09

I won't give up Mel.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 11 Dec 2007, 13:30

Well, after 20+ years, I'm kinda hoping - but I've been a voice in the wilderness too often. I hope you don't give up, Dennis, and can help make change.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 12 Dec 2007, 01:13

I will keep trying to make amateur boxing better. I'm trying to help make the National Golden Gloves tourney in Grand Rapids next year a big success. We want to have it packed everyday.

xbox · Post by **xbox** » 25 Dec 2007, 10:05

Glad to hear the team is back with family, friends and personal coaches. Now the coaches have the daunting task of trying to correct all the bad habits picked up at camp.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 25 Dec 2007, 12:42

And you think they can accomplish this "daunting task" in a week or two? The team is home visiting family and friends for the holiday - not to train with their personal coaches.

Again, this is an experiment and a first time experience. Let's reserve judgement until we see if it works or not. Plenty of time to moan and groan in September if it doesn't.

classboxer · Post by **classboxer** » 29 Dec 2007, 15:23

The New York Golden Gloves

have produced ATG`s like Mike Tyson and the Greatest boxer who has EVER lived Sugar Ray Robinson

When the golden golves started in NEW YORK over 3K AM boxers wanted to enter the Gloves,12 hundred were accepted

This year, in 2007, 500 hundred boxers entered the AM Golden Gloves of New York(30% were women)

The stats in the 80s ? over 700 US AMs entered the golden gloves of New york all of them were men not "women boxers"

btw

Less AMs = less talent

see link

http://www.saddoboxing.com/5129-golden-gloves.html