Joe Cortez is a....

[Ally-M1]

Cortez put in a dreadful performance - no doubt about it...

I make that point totally aside from the outcome. Regardless of the victor - Cortez had a stinker...

Indeed, Mayweather would have won regardless, but that is not an excuse for a Hatton defeat... Even if Ricky had won, Cortez still was a disgrace.

[rhino222]

cortez had probably seen the tape of the hatton WWF match against urango, and that was all of hattons doing.

unfortunately you reap what you sow......it was rickys own fault, cortez did not want another spectacle like that for the thousands watching !!

[Ally-M1]

That's a good point...

Perhaps he was nervous about being involved in a fight such as the WWE style Hatton vs Urango match-up... And took the very, very cautious route with regard to clinching, in-fighting etc.

Who knows?!

[rhino222]

well thats what i think ally, who knows what instructions cortez had had from his bosses with regards to the complaints about the tactics from the hatton urango fight when i thought rickys performance (apart from rounds 1-4) was an absolute disgrace, and i said so at the time.

[Ally-M1]

I personally think your on the right lines...

I can admit that I hadn't thought about Cortez's instructions on the back of that previous Hatton showing... It seems a logical thought process for his cautios approach to inside tatics...

Och, I've had my moan! I do move forward though with a little more thinking behind the cautious ref.

[THEBUTCH]

Cortez turned in a really bad performance.

[boxingchat]

Nobber!!! What is he doing??? He's breaking the action up everytime they get in close!!

ARRGH!!!

You all seem to be missing the point.

Even with Mayweather bent over double, through the ropes and with his back turned.....Hatton STILL missed him!

The Ref was spot on the intent was there and the punch was thrown outside the ring ILLEGAL. Hatton was holding to avoid and prevent Mayweather working and hitting him ILLEGAL too.

Cortez was right get off his case. Hatton's bubble has burst period. This, remember, was the first live, genuine, fully-fit and evenly matched opponent he has ever faced in 43 fights.
TAXI

[PompeyScot]

This, remember, was the first live, genuine, fully-fit and evenly matched opponent he has ever faced in 43 fights.
TAXI

Bit of an admission there boxingchat!!

[jamesmcdonnell]

Nobber!!! What is he doing??? He's breaking the action up everytime they get in close!!

ARRGH!!!

You all seem to be missing the point.

Even with Mayweather bent over double, through the ropes and with his back turned.....Hatton STILL missed him!

The Ref was spot on the intent was there and the punch was thrown outside the ring ILLEGAL. Hatton was holding to avoid and prevent Mayweather working and hitting him ILLEGAL too.

Cortez was right get off his case. Hatton's bubble has burst period. This, remember, was the first live, genuine, fully-fit and evenly matched opponent he has ever faced in 43 fights.
TAXI

Cortez was not right. Mayweather was fouling constantly, was warned again and again, and still was not docked a point. Poor and biased officiating.

I don't think Hatton would have won, but he wasn't given a full crack of the whip.

[mattyp151]

Nobber!!! What is he doing??? He's breaking the action up everytime they get in close!!

ARRGH!!!

You all seem to be missing the point.

Even with Mayweather bent over double, through the ropes and with his back turned.....Hatton STILL missed him!

The Ref was spot on the intent was there and the punch was thrown outside the ring ILLEGAL. Hatton was holding to avoid and prevent Mayweather working and hitting him ILLEGAL too.

Cortez was right get off his case. Hatton's bubble has burst period. This, remember, was the first live, genuine, fully-fit and evenly matched opponent he has ever faced in 43 fights.
TAXI

Cortez was not right. Mayweather was fouling constantly, was warned again and again, and still was not docked a point. Poor and biased officiating.

I don't think Hatton would have won, but he wasn't given a full crack of the whip.

Is anything Mayweather did really worthy of a point? No. Hatton had intent to hurt Mayweather by punching him through the ropes, no question. Hatton got roughhoused better than he was dishing, and didn't like it. Cortez was jumping in early in the first 2 or 3 rounds, but later in the fight, he let everything go. People need to deal with the fact Hatton got beat at his own game by a guy EVERYONE was certain couldn't fight inside with Hatton. Hatton was holding and hitting all night, so Mayweather gave him the forearm to create space. It's funny that it's ok when your guy does it and it's called "mauling" but when someone gives it back to him in spades, it's "fouling". Come on now, Hatton got beat at his own game on the inside, and got destroyed on the outside. They fight 10 times, Floyd beats him 10.

[Autobarn]

Cortez was overzealous. He was ready to take points for the first semi-bad foul he came across. You normally are meant to caution etc, but Cortez said pre fight that he was going to take points the first sign of a foul.

Nonetheless, Hatton goes over there and initiates wrestling fights. Most boxing fans like clean punching etc, so Hatton was always going to get punished for it.

Boxingchat, you are a bit of a curmudgeon. I'm sure you had positive things to say about Hatton from mid 2005 backward. I wasn't on these boards then, but surely you were calling ppl tossers who criticised Hatton etc?

Would be interesting if Calzaghe or Arthur or Khan left Waren, because you'd be nasty about them, afterward I'd wager.

[jamesmcdonnell]

If the referee is continually warning Mayweather, then he should have taken a point off. It is standard refereeing procedude. What's the point of continually warning something and then letting them carry on doing it.

Mayweather also continually dipped below the waist line, which is illegal, and turned his back on a number of occasions.

[mattyp151]

If the referee is continually warning Mayweather, then he should have taken a point off. It is standard refereeing procedude. What's the point of continually warning something and then letting them carry on doing it.

Mayweather also continually dipped below the waist line, which is illegal, and turned his back on a number of occasions.

How many times do refs warn people and never take a point in a fight? How many times did Taylor get warned the second fight vs Bernard, somewhere up around 20-25, and not one point. Let's not make this out to be something new here. Hatton lost, people just really need to deal with it.

Hatton dipped to the waistline not below. Hatton is 5-6 with stumpy legs, that's near impossible and Hatton just fell in over his head, because that's all he could do. Hatton's gameplan went to shit when Floyd took him to task inside.

[lvlarc]

Cortez was shambolic. Through the first four rounds he would split them up immediately as Hatton got close. Mayweather landed a much cleaner shot behind the head in round 2 and all he got was a warning. Most people knew the first 6 rounds would be Hatton's best, however Cortez kept ruining his momentum. Even Oscar De La Hoya could be seen in the backround a few times standing in disgust at the ref's officiating.

[mattyp151]

Cortez was shambolic. Through the first four rounds he would split them up immediately as Hatton got close. Mayweather landed a much cleaner shot behind the head in round 2 and all he got was a warning. Most people knew the first 6 rounds would be Hatton's best, however Cortez kept ruining his momentum. Even Oscar De La Hoya could be seen in the backround a few times standing in disgust at the ref's officiating.

Cortez broke them early until the beginning of the 4th. Hatton's momentum wasn't that great as you couldn't see him doing much work at all. After the 3rd, Cortez just let them go until Hatton swung at Mayweather through the ropes. As the 7th, 8th and 9th came, Ricky was getting potshotted on the way in with Mayweather's hand by his waist. Cortez had nothing to do with the biggest issue of the fight, which was Hatton's ineffective jab or lack of one totally and HAtton's face first defensive style. Those lost Hatton the fight, not Cortez.

[lvlarc]

Cortez didn't help Hatton's case though did he? He showed a clear bias. It's a shame too as he did a fine job officiating Hatton vs Castillo, where he allowed them to fight on the inside from the 1st bell.

Hatton's favourite attack is his body punching, we seen very little of that for some reason. His workrate was high in the opening rounds, the rounds in which Cortez did a poor job, the ref got better as the fight went on but it was too late as Mayweather took control by the 7th. The fight was pretty dull in my opinion, except for the finish of course.

[mattyp151]

Cortez didn't help Hatton's case though did he? He showed a clear bias. It's a shame too as he did a fine job officiating Hatton vs Castillo, where he allowed them to fight on the inside from the 1st bell.

Hatton's favourite attack is his body punching, we seen very little of that for some reason. His workrate was high in the opening rounds, the rounds in which Cortez did a poor job, the ref got better as the fight went on but it was too late as Mayweather took control by the 7th. The fight was pretty dull in my opinion, except for the finish of course.

I really don';t think Joe went to the ring thinking "I can't let Hatton work inside." No, he went in knowing Hatton likes to hook and hold, you can't deny that, and he knew what to look for. As I said, he broke them a little early earlier in the fight, but Hatton's workrate was crap the entire fight. His best round was round 5, where he threw 54 punches, which was the rate he maintained all 4 rounds vs Castillo, and he was well under the pace of the 6-700 he usually throws. Mayweather had the busiest round of the night, throwing 55 in round 8. When Mayweather has the busiest round of the fight, and you're a workrate guy like Ricky is, you weren't winning the fight.

[Tantum]

It takes a special kind of bias to surpass the likes of Max Molyneux, and mattym. Both of which have absolutely no complaints about the outcome of this fight.

Boxingmad, werewolf, Razor, silkov...

[pundit]

That point deduction lost Ricky the fight, after all that pressure Billy Graham had to tell him he was a point down going into the 9th. effing sick...

Floyd Mayweather cost Ricky Hatton the fight.

[mattyp151]

That point deduction lost Ricky the fight, after all that pressure Billy Graham had to tell him he was a point down going into the 9th. effing sick...

Floyd Mayweather cost Ricky Hatton the fight.

32/55 15/31 9/15
58% 48% 60%

Those are Mayweather's punch stats over the last 3 rounds...getting hit at at 50% rate, and 60% of those connect being power punches is what lost Ricky the fight.

[lvlarc]

Cortez didn't help Hatton's case though did he? He showed a clear bias. It's a shame too as he did a fine job officiating Hatton vs Castillo, where he allowed them to fight on the inside from the 1st bell.

Hatton's favourite attack is his body punching, we seen very little of that for some reason. His workrate was high in the opening rounds, the rounds in which Cortez did a poor job, the ref got better as the fight went on but it was too late as Mayweather took control by the 7th. The fight was pretty dull in my opinion, except for the finish of course.

I really don';t think Joe went to the ring thinking "I can't let Hatton work inside." No, he went in knowing Hatton likes to hook and hold, you can't deny that, and he knew what to look for. As I said, he broke them a little early earlier in the fight, but Hatton's workrate was crap the entire fight. His best round was round 5, where he threw 54 punches, which was the rate he maintained all 4 rounds vs Castillo, and he was well under the pace of the 6-700 he usually throws. Mayweather had the busiest round of the night, throwing 55 in round 8. When Mayweather has the busiest round of the fight, and you're a workrate guy like Ricky is, you weren't winning the fight.

Hatton's workrate was good throughout the early rounds, he looked like the energizer bunny, constantly backing up Mayweather, maybe wasting too much energy, but he also kept smothering his punches like an amatuer. Once Floyd was given the space to throw freely, you could see the clear gap in class.

[pundit]

Cortez was shambolic. Through the first four rounds he would split them up immediately as Hatton got close. Mayweather landed a much cleaner shot behind the head in round 2 and all he got was a warning. Most people knew the first 6 rounds would be Hatton's best, however Cortez kept ruining his momentum. Even Oscar De La Hoya could be seen in the backround a few times standing in disgust at the ref's officiating.

I just saw the entire fight again and Cortez had no choice but to penalize Hatton. Hatton pushed Mayweather through the ropes, then hit him from behind when PBF's head was already sticking out of the ring.

One can argue whether Mayweather should also have had a point deduced for using his forearms, but there was no similarly clear cut situation.

Plus, rewatching it I conclude Ricky never had a chance. He didn't hit Floyd with much in the entire fight, while Floyd time and again landed clean counterpunches, including when Ricky mauled him on the ropes. And once Floyd had adjusted to the pressure, Ricky was chanceless.

[mattyp151]

Cortez didn't help Hatton's case though did he? He showed a clear bias. It's a shame too as he did a fine job officiating Hatton vs Castillo, where he allowed them to fight on the inside from the 1st bell.

Hatton's favourite attack is his body punching, we seen very little of that for some reason. His workrate was high in the opening rounds, the rounds in which Cortez did a poor job, the ref got better as the fight went on but it was too late as Mayweather took control by the 7th. The fight was pretty dull in my opinion, except for the finish of course.

I really don';t think Joe went to the ring thinking "I can't let Hatton work inside." No, he went in knowing Hatton likes to hook and hold, you can't deny that, and he knew what to look for. As I said, he broke them a little early earlier in the fight, but Hatton's workrate was crap the entire fight. His best round was round 5, where he threw 54 punches, which was the rate he maintained all 4 rounds vs Castillo, and he was well under the pace of the 6-700 he usually throws. Mayweather had the busiest round of the night, throwing 55 in round 8. When Mayweather has the busiest round of the fight, and you're a workrate guy like Ricky is, you weren't winning the fight.

Hatton's workrate was good throughout the early rounds, he looked like the energizer bunny, constantly backing up Mayweather, but he also kept smothering his punches like an amatuer. Once Floyd was given the space to throw freely, you could see the clear gap in class.

His workrate was so-so for most fighters, rounds 1-4 he was averaging 33.5 punches per round, which is 90 punches below what he threw in 3.5 rounds against Castillo. His workrate was junk. Backing up Mayweather is nothing seeing that the man fights backwards 80% of the time. The first KD was going backwards. Hatton was thoroughly outboxed outside, and was taken to task inside at his own game. No uestion about it.

[lvlarc]

I tend to agree, Hatton would stick to Mayweather early on but didn't land enough clean punches to slow Floyd down and then as the fight progressed Hatton was tired by the 7th, had used up to much nervous energy. Whereas Mayweather was fit and composed. The KD was a perfect left hook, followed by a great assist from the turnbuckle

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think the reason Hatton smothered his own work was to prevent being hit.

I do also think from watching Hatton of late, that he is past his peak. He seems far less mobile than he used to be. He still closes the gap quickly, but he doesn't seem to use the angles any more, or perhaps he is unable to do it to better quality fighters, not sure which.

One thing is for sure, at range he was a sitting duck for Mayweather, due to complete lack of head movement.