Hatton Didn't Lose

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Max Molyneux wrote:Some fans just can't get over Hatton.

Even before the fight, he was overrated like he was a god and some couldn't take someone saying some constructive criticism of him.
he has been overrated. this is probably why it took so long to get him to world level despite having a massive following in manchester. he just doesn't punch cleanly enough and relies too much on holding.

i thought hatton was going to use some of the class he'd picked up from holding title belts. i know mayweather is hard to hit clean but i though he should have been able to do more.

also, i think he has lost something since the Tszyu and Oliveria fights (IMO his best performances) and that his lifestyl must have affected him a bit as well.
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All these jackasses stabbing Hatton in the back because he lost - going on about how he was overrated and bla bla bla - and of course completely ignoring the fact that the fix was in and he was not allowed to fight his fight!
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i think he has lost something since the Tszyu and Oliveria fights (IMO his best performances)
I think that says all that needs to be said. One of his best performances (you could include Tackie there too) is against a guy who got abused by Emmanuel Augustus not long after.
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werewolf wrote:All these jackasses stabbing Hatton in the back because he lost - going on about how he was overrated and bla bla bla - and of course completely ignoring the fact that the fix was in and he was not allowed to fight his fight!
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werewolf wrote:All these jackasses stabbing Hatton in the back because he lost - going on about how he was overrated and bla bla bla - and of course completely ignoring the fact that the fix was in and he was not allowed to fight his fight!
Maybe all you need is a good night of sleep.
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pundit wrote:
Chambers2 wrote:Not an excuse for the loss, but Cortez was poor IMO
I thought Cortez did OK. This was a tough fight to officiate. Very fast. Very unclean.

Maybe he should have taken PBF a point of too (for using forearms or for whatever) to placate the British fans. It would have changed nothing.
I agree that it wasn't an easy fight to ref, but my main complaint is that when the fighters were on the inside they were split up straight away, before they were actually tied up.
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i always wondered why he had to make 14 (correct me if I'm wrong) defenses of a minor title belt like the WBU.

props to him for trying, and he will probably be more popular in the UK for trying to beat Mayweather.

will be interesting to see how fast Khan moves as a comparison - if he can outdo Hatton's win over, say, Thaxton and beat the European champ Romanov.
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Autobarn wrote:i always wondered why he had to make 14 (correct me if I'm wrong) defenses of a minor title belt like the WBU.
This was because his manager was FWarren at the time.

I credit Hatton big time for firing Warren and try to achieve a truly great career. He came pretty far.
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He shouldn't of taunted his master. No wonder Floyd Pimped him Into the corner! :o

Now all we need Is for Marquez to beat the overrated Pacqiauo. :TU:
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pundit wrote:
Autobarn wrote:i always wondered why he had to make 14 (correct me if I'm wrong) defenses of a minor title belt like the WBU.
This was because his manager was FWarren at the time.

I credit Hatton big time for firing Warren and try to achieve a truly great career. He came pretty far.
Warren would of gotten him Urango, Castillo, Callazo and Maussa though. Twas no different leaving Frank.

Warren knew Hatton's level.
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He wouldn't have fought Urango or Collazo under Warren.
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DavidPayne wrote:He wouldn't have fought Urango or Collazo under Warren.
Why?

Warren was demeaning Callazo as a choice of an opponent that much he thought It was easy pickings for Hatton.

Urango was a boy against a man.

And Maussa Is now being sparked by journymen.
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Post by DavidPayne »

Warren wouldn't have put Hatton in with a tricky full blown Welter on six weeks notice.

I think he would have made the Gatti match at 147.

Which makes me wonder about the prospects of Judah v Hatton at 147 or 140.
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Warren promoted a vegas show with Callazo getting Ko'ed on It and even showed the video on his site showing he was a bad choice of an opponent though.

Warren would of thought Hatton was going to walk through him like the rest of us did.
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Max Molyneux wrote:
pundit wrote:
Autobarn wrote:i always wondered why he had to make 14 (correct me if I'm wrong) defenses of a minor title belt like the WBU.
This was because his manager was FWarren at the time.

I credit Hatton big time for firing Warren and try to achieve a truly great career. He came pretty far.
Warren would of gotten him Urango, Castillo, Callazo and Maussa though. Twas no different leaving Frank.

Warren knew Hatton's level.
Warren would have defended Hatton's "zero" at all cost and in the process ruined his career.
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Ruined It how? He wouldn't of put him In with someone he knew was too good for him like Floyd.
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Max Molyneux wrote:Ruined It how? He wouldn't of put him In with someone he knew was too good for him like Floyd.
I respect Hatton for taking on Floyd. Accepting big fights that one may lose makes the difference between a protected sissy and a champion.
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Terry D wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
DavidPayne wrote:He wouldn't have fought Urango or Collazo under Warren.
Why?

Warren was demeaning Callazo as a choice of an opponent that much he thought It was easy pickings for Hatton.

Urango was a boy against a man.

And Maussa Is now being sparked by journymen.
Nonsense Max. Hatton's goal was a fight againd the best fighter in the world Floyd Mayweather. Warren would never have made that fight, especially in Vegas. Warren says he'd never put a fighter of his in with a guy who would be favoured, ergo he'd never have negotiated the Floyd fight leaving Hatton, who wanted the fight, frustrated.

Hatton left Warren to get THE best fight in the world possible at this time, slate him for all you like, talk of pimp hands and what not, but you are failing to understand what makes a competitor tick.
It's one thing fighting the best In the world, but It's another fighting him reckless with no game plan at all or any form of defence.

Thought they studied In the training camp? All 24/7 shown us was them calling Floyd a runner and that he doesn't do padwork properly.

Whats nonsense about what you quoted? Warren would of picked Callazo for Hatton If he wanted It since Warren thought Callazo was crap.

Yeah he left him complaining about money like how the offer was rubbish but couldn't tell us anything, not about fighting the best In the world. He didn't even fight the best till over 2 years later.

He only fought the best once too, he keeps contradicting himself when it comes to Witter.
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pundit wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Ruined It how? He wouldn't of put him In with someone he knew was too good for him like Floyd.
I respect Hatton for taking on Floyd. Accepting big fights that one may lose makes the difference between a protected sissy and a champion.
A champion would of took Floyd more seriously. He was mostly mouthing off about Floyd being a runner and not doing padwork properly.

Knew Floyd was good but never became a fan of him till Saturday.
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Max Molyneux wrote:
pundit wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Ruined It how? He wouldn't of put him In with someone he knew was too good for him like Floyd.
I respect Hatton for taking on Floyd. Accepting big fights that one may lose makes the difference between a protected sissy and a champion.
A champion would of took Floyd more seriously. He was mostly mouthing off about Floyd being a runner and not doing padwork properly.
You seroiusly believe Hatton didn't take Floyd seriously? :lol:
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Warren has subequently implied shrewd timing on Tsyzu and anyone could see Castillo was very ripe too.

Warren's has criticised every aspect of Hatton's post Sports Network career one way or another.

I dont think he would have picked Collazo, but more importantly, he wouldn't have switched horses six weeks into camp from Lazcano at 140 to Collazo at 147.

That was desperate management of a guy who arguably sells more tickets than any other fighter on the planet.
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pundit wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
pundit wrote: I respect Hatton for taking on Floyd. Accepting big fights that one may lose makes the difference between a protected sissy and a champion.
A champion would of took Floyd more seriously. He was mostly mouthing off about Floyd being a runner and not doing padwork properly.
You seroiusly believe Hatton didn't take Floyd seriously? :lol:
Well he was serious enough to taunt Floyd wiggling his arse at him.

He looked slower than he used to and just walked at Floyd taking shots mostly trying to hold and pressure. Thats very serious.
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By the sounds of it the split from Warren was the best thing Ricky ever did. Maybe he wouldn't have fought Floyd and would still have his record intact but at least now he's £10m richer for that fight alone, and didn't he get almost everything from his other fights too? Apart from Golden Boy did any other promoter make big money from Hatton after Warren?
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Terry D wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
Terry D wrote: Nonsense Max. Hatton's goal was a fight againd the best fighter in the world Floyd Mayweather. Warren would never have made that fight, especially in Vegas. Warren says he'd never put a fighter of his in with a guy who would be favoured, ergo he'd never have negotiated the Floyd fight leaving Hatton, who wanted the fight, frustrated.

Hatton left Warren to get THE best fight in the world possible at this time, slate him for all you like, talk of pimp hands and what not, but you are failing to understand what makes a competitor tick.
It's one thing fighting the best In the world, but It's another fighting him reckless with no game plan at all or any form of defence.

Thought they studied In the training camp? All 24/7 shown us was them calling Floyd a runner and that he doesn't do padwork properly.

Whats nonsense about what you quoted? Warren would of picked Callazo for Hatton If he wanted It since Warren thought Callazo was crap.

Yeah he left him complaining about money like how the offer was rubbish but couldn't tell us anything, not about fighting the best In the world. He didn't even fight the best till over 2 years later.
I'm talking about the general nonsense of you not giving credit to anyone outside your sphere of favouritism then accusing others of lacking perspective if they pull you up on it.

Fighting the best in the world you do take game plans into the ring but the best, and Floyd is the very best, tend to reduce the plans to error within minutes. Mistakes were made but Floyd adpated and played a few new moves.

'24/7' showed us avatars of both men. You really think Floyd thought he was fighting Rocky? Floyd clearly knew his stuff.

I'm not even sure what you mean by the final paragraph but Hatton left Warren and it culminated in a very big fight, against Floyd, in Vegas. To that end, defeat or not, he can feel vindicated, cash wise and in terms of going for the biggest possible fight in the world. Only a fool, or, even worse, a biased fool, would excessively criticise him for it. The sport is better off with fighters who are prepared to do this type of thing. He raised the sports profile no end this week.

In Liverpool, as in Manchester, I'm sure you get local hard men who boast about how tough they are then go into student areas beating people up knowing the risk-reward ratio is stacked for them. Hatton opted out of this route and went for it. He fought a tight fight at welter once then went back there to fight the best fighter, Vernon Forrest aside, in the world. How exactly does make him open for such harsh criticism and carping about how his prior promoter would not have made the fight?
I do give credit when It's due(I do say Tszyu was a good win for example) and I wouldn't mention favouritism the way you talk about Manchester fighters. Lacking perspective and accuse who?

Well If he took any game plans Into the fight then why did he fight one way the whole fight? He's been fighting this way since he beat Tszyu and has been mediocre.

Nothing wrong with him wanting to fight the best, but at least go In with proper game plans and don't listen to your cornermen when they tell you to forget defence. :o Didn't seem like there was any proper plan and that they never took Floyd seriously.

Why bother leaving Warren when he chose Urango, a shot Castillo and Callazo? At least he would of been realistic with his chances against Floyd which only few were.

I criticise when theres something to criticise. He didn't take Floyd seriously and was taunting him even when outclassed. Hatton loses or has nightmares when he's figured out or when he fights someone his own size.
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Post by mh2365 »

This thread is hilarious .. all I know is somewhere Saturday night Kostya Tszyu was laughing his ass off.

Hatton built a nice 40-0 record with his uncle reffing the fights, when he gets to the states and isn't allowed to use his elbows and head the it's the refs are out to get him.

Classic. He did everything but knee Tszyu in the nuts. Like many others have said the ref didn't cause him to face plant after eating that left hook in the 10th. Nor did the ref cause him to take 15 straight punches to the face to end the fight.

I like Hatton and I doubt he is complaining about the fight .. he deserves better fans. Not ones that boo the National Anthem and make excuses when he gets beat in a fair fight.
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