Brit fans disgrace

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 10 Dec 2007, 06:49

Matt W wrote:I wasn't offended by the booing but find it to be rather pathetic. The world would be a better place if more people adopted Bills Hicks' stance on patriotism: "Am I proud to be an American? Well, I didn't have much to do with it. My parents fukced there."

I thought it was far worse for the Americans to have to see dyed ginger pube head Tom Jones... :P

I was at the Wigan show and what really did wind me up and show a complete lack of class were the 'fans' of Craig Watson that booed Ali Nuumbembe after their fight. Disgusting.

Booing a loser in any case except a DQ is one of the most disgusting things you can see in this sport.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 10 Dec 2007, 06:55

mattym wrote:the people who take this personally are idiots. its all part of the fun of a sporting event, we weren't booing the country (i speak for the majority) we were booing any opposition to Hatton and trying to make it a hostile and rowdy atmosphere like we love it.

It's fine to say it's not intended to be offensive but what these people who do it and condone it should realise is that it tarnishes the reputation of OUR country. Regardless of what you think of America, Mayweather, etc, if you're proud of being British, then you shouldn't do it, because those louts made Britain look bad to the general American public (and rest of the viewing world).

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 10 Dec 2007, 06:59

verballistic wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:I was cringing at football hooligans booing the national anthem. What no-one has picked up on yet, which I presume it wasn't on TV, is that a Brit on my far right threw a bottle at Floyd when he got up on the ring post.

It missed him, thank God, but managed to land near David Beckham.

I thought this kind of behaviour had gone in the 80s, but obviously not.

Every American I've met here said the same thing; "I hate Mayweather, but I wanted him to fcking kill Hatton after that".

Thankfully there were only a few fights after the Garden Arena emptied. I was worried there'd be a riot.
bernard hopkins is no flag-waving patriot and certainly no coward and the factors above encompass why b-hop says he will never fight outside america again:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/box ... olicy.html

based on the hooligans in last night's crowd, it would be very easy to envision a replay of the hagler-minter debacle of 1980 had the fight been held in britain!!

Which would be exactly Hopkins' own fault after the Minter-esque comments he made last weekends.

lowersmiths · Post by **lowersmiths** » 10 Dec 2007, 08:41

the main point seems to be that those who boo think it is a 'bit of fun' and 'banter'.

they totally miss the point that banter is supposed to be a two-way thing.

they are the type of people who would say 'you paki b******' and then if they were pulled up on it say 'it was only a joke'.

it's simple. if they understood what respect meant they wouldnt do it. what a bunch of idiots. why didn't they boo when they were waiting to be processed through USA immigration?

PompeyScot · Post by **PompeyScot** » 10 Dec 2007, 09:48

Say what you want about the Daily Mail, but their piece on it today had it down to a tee. As well as pointing out that people such as Sugar Ray Leonard were saying that a line was crossed, the paper's closing statement was that "The English (their words) were outclassed outside the ring as well as in it". Sums it up I think.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 10 Dec 2007, 09:51

Daily mail is a joke, i cannot believe people actually buy that thing

PompeyScot · Post by **PompeyScot** » 10 Dec 2007, 09:54

observer1 wrote:Daily mail is a joke, i cannot believe people actually buy that thing

Obvious response, so I repeat again...

Say what you want about the Daily Mail, but their piece on it today had it down to a tee.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 10 Dec 2007, 10:17

PompeyScot wrote:Say what you want about the Daily Mail, but their piece on it today had it down to a tee. As well as pointing out that people such as Sugar Ray Leonard were saying that a line was crossed, the paper's closing statement was that "The English (their words) were outclassed outside the ring as well as in it". Sums it up I think.

Because of course the Scottish are well known for being non-partizan. e.g. the treatment of Michael Gomez when on his way to the ring fighting Alex Arthur…. or even just booing the English kicker at Murrayfield (something that only the French usually stoop to).

I spent 4 years living in Wales and have never encountered such overt racism anywhere else – including a friend of mine who was badly beaten up by four uber-tough Welshman while walking home from the shops just because he had his England rugby shirt on (during the six nations). He did or said nothing to them – they just went for him for that reason alone. It was reported to the Police (via the hospital) but they were never caught, and got away with it. About two weeks later I remember watching on S4C news about some Welsh cabbie who got punched by a passenger who (in an English accent) apparently said “you welsh bastard” and thumped him.

It made the news!!! Why?? Because it suits the Celtic agenda to highlight any instances of “racism” against them, but never when they are the perpetrators.

Its not actually anti-English comments that bother me. It’s the fact that if the English did it – it’s crime of the century.

Max Boyce = pretty much made a career out of anti-English (racist) songs, that if he sang about black people or jews he’d be arrested for. As would the Stereophonics.

Anne Robinson = says (something like) “I don’t like the Welsh, they are always so happy with themselves” and pretty is much vilified as being a neo-Nazi.

Go figure………..

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 10 Dec 2007, 10:21

I would urge all Americans who were rightly offended to disregard the yobbish morons who were booing.

They were not real boxing fans & I can guarantee that none of them had even heard of Floyd Mayweather before about 2 months ago.

They were just Johnny Come Lately football thugs who jumped on the Hatton bandwagon that started rolling in th UK about 2 weeks ago.

They will probably never go to another boxing match in their lives.

They are NOT representative of true boxing fans & are an embarrassment to Britain (make that England).

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 10 Dec 2007, 10:23

I boo our own National Anthem, you will be unsurprised to hear

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 10 Dec 2007, 10:25

PompeyScot wrote:
observer1 wrote:Daily mail is a joke, i cannot believe people actually buy that thing
Obvious response, so I repeat again...

Say what you want about the Daily Mail, but their piece on it today had it down to a tee.

Agree with that. The opinion piece was spot-on, and Hayward's coverage was excellent, as usual. Unlike many tabloid boxing writers, he really knows his stuff.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 10 Dec 2007, 10:25

loftgroove has made an excellent point

IMO

Britain and USA are Both Messed.

i mean look at Iraq :P

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 10 Dec 2007, 11:39

I disagreed with the booing of US national anthem on Saturday. That may be hypocritical of me as I'd have booed it and any other national anthem in a BIG fight over here (to make the arena feel hostile to the away fighter), but it just seemed plain wrong to do it in the US.

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 10 Dec 2007, 11:45

search wrote:Booing the anthem was an absolute disgrace and im sorry that LEGENDS of the sport had to sit through that.

Well, i guess floyd shut them all up in the end

The booing of the the American national anthem was very disrespectful. At the time, I said to my Dad the best way to stop all the booing would be for Floyd to put in a top-class performance & that he did.

What was an even more disgrace was Tom Jones singing God save the Queen. He looked awful!

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 10 Dec 2007, 11:48

Do you think Tom Jones colours his pubes too?

On another matter he is set to release his own range of fragrances this Christmas.

Formaldehyde by Tom Jones

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 10 Dec 2007, 19:35

verballistic wrote:
ebeneezer wrote:
verballistic wrote: brits are generally VERY welled received in america...your country essentially spawned ours!!

we may be the rebellious child, but we still value our roots!!
Stop writing in bold you dickhead.
what's a matter...too hard on your failing eyes?!?

you should direct your pathetic whining at the site's administrator, who wouldnt allow the bold type if he knew it would send your pathetic little excuse of a life into a complete turmoil... :(

lol ur soo funnie

:) :) :(

8)

:x :P

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 11 Dec 2007, 04:50

sligobhoy67 wrote:
banjo wrote:booing anthems is part of sport if you dont like it f**k off
no its not - its part of English sport ya fuckwit - only happens when English fighters are invloved!

Utter bollocks.

I have heard the English national anthem booed by fans of the Argentine, Turkish, Scottish, Welsh and Irish football teams plenty of times before.

Booing any national anthem is cvntish, and totally out of order, but it is'nt just the English "fans" doing it believe me.

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 11 Dec 2007, 04:53

I still dont et whats so bad about booing National Anthems

Why is everyone so depressingly right-wing on boxing forums?

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 11 Dec 2007, 04:59

Matt W wrote:In response to an earlier post I agree that when visiting the US the people are very friendly and go out of their way to make you feel welcome in their country. We could learn a lot from them.

They are, in general, pretty helpful and friendly(although they don't get our sense of humour at all, which is a shame)

There are plenty of places I have been though, where the people have been much,much warmer than either the US or Britain.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 11 Dec 2007, 07:06

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:I still dont et whats so bad about booing National Anthems

Why is everyone so depressingly right-wing on boxing forums?

It’s called having respect, which is a good thing, though sadly a concept you presumably are not familiar with.

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 11 Dec 2007, 07:12

Loftgroov wrote:
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:I still dont et whats so bad about booing National Anthems

Why is everyone so depressingly right-wing on boxing forums?
It’s called having respect, which is a good thing, though sadly a concept you presumably are not familiar with.

respect for what, exactly?

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 11 Dec 2007, 07:40

verballistic wrote:
oliverfennell wrote:
verballistic wrote: bernard hopkins is no flag-waving patriot and certainly no coward and the factors above encompass why b-hop says he will never fight outside america again:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/box ... olicy.html

based on the hooligans in last night's crowd, it would be very easy to envision a replay of the hagler-minter debacle of 1980 had the fight been held in britain!!
Which would be exactly Hopkins' own fault after the Minter-esque comments he made last weekends.
what exactly did hagler do to deserve his beer bottle shower?!?

Nothing. You mentioned Hagler-Minter, and it was Minter's comments which brought out the more, shall we say, "unsavoury" members of society to the fight, leading to the crowd trouble after Hagler won.

Now, after Hopkins' racist comments, there would be a good chance the far-right would again turn up in large numbers to support "their boy", which could again lead to trouble if the result didn't go their way.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 11 Dec 2007, 07:43

Hopkins may be the king of the PR stunt.

I think this one could backfire. As the embodiment of the American dream, from the street via prison to redemption and reward as a superstar..only in America...Hopkins could throw away his life-time's work in gaining acceptance if he plays this card throughtout the build up.

Race is far more serious a subject than nationalism, as he used in Tito fight.

It really is a dangerous vehicle to mobilise.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 11 Dec 2007, 07:53

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
Loftgroov wrote:
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:I still dont et whats so bad about booing National Anthems

Why is everyone so depressingly right-wing on boxing forums?
It’s called having respect, which is a good thing, though sadly a concept you presumably are not familiar with.
respect for what, exactly?

Respect for another country and its people….

lowersmiths · Post by **lowersmiths** » 11 Dec 2007, 08:44

DavidPayne wrote:Hopkins may be the king of the PR stunt.

I think this one could backfire. As the embodiment of the American dream, from the street via prison to redemption and reward as a superstar..only in America...Hopkins could throw away his life-time's work in gaining acceptance if he plays this card throughtout the build up.

Race is far more serious a subject than nationalism, as he used in Tito fight.

It really is a dangerous vehicle to mobilise.

if there is one thing that bores me to death in boxing it is how hopkins brings up his time in prison 20 years ago at every opportunity.

GET OVER IT YOU IDIOT!

i nicked some penny goodies from woolies when i was at school but i dont bring it up in every single conversation two decades later.

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