Has Harrison got Haye's number?

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

What exactly is the hold-up to making this official? Does anyone know? Harrison for his part says he has accepted the terms and is just waiting for Haye to sign, so what is Haye's sticking point?

He doesn't fancy it, i heard whispers of a sparring session a good few years ago where Audley kept Haye at bay with a strong jab and Haye's people got all upset about Audley being too big for him.


mark my words, Harrison by KO...

Chequers on sat, Oliver?

[oliverfennell]

Chequers on sat, Oliver?

Would love to but I'm off the booze for the time being. How long are you around for?

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Chequers on sat, Oliver?

Would love to but I'm off the booze for the time being. How long are you around for?

until 2011, when i assume flying cars will have been released, or the airport rail link is open.

[oliverfennell]

Chequers on sat, Oliver?

Would love to but I'm off the booze for the time being. How long are you around for?

until 2011, when i assume flying cars will have been released, or the airport rail link is open.

Pay attention - the airport rail link IS open! Only five years late, which isn't bad for Bangkok.

Well, if you're around for the next few months, I'll definitely catch up with you when I'm alcoholically unleashed again. Chequers now has Sky Sports, but I doubt they'd stay open for the Haye fight (time differences would make it 4-6am Thai time).

[Crease]

what is Haye's sticking point?

I'm a big Haye fan, and from what I understand, Big David has a few scrupples...
That being said, I do think Audley will be his next WBA title defence.

First.
Haye wants "a top contender" as he put it, the Klitchskos both have fights, so Haye needs a fight now. I don't believe that Haye is being disrespectful toward Audley, but he does recognise that Harrison isn't even ranked in the top 30.

So a victory over Harrison wouldn't get him very far, considering that both the Klitchskos have top contenders for their titles.

Second.
If Haye were to sign the fight against Harrison, there is a slim possibility that the WBA won't recognise it as a title defence, because in their eyes, Harrison has done nothing to warrant a shot at the WBA title. And this could, ultimately, cause Haye to get stripped of his World title.

Do you guys think that Haye will give up his world title to fight Harrison?
Because I sure as hell, dont.

Third.
Even if the WBA recognise the fight and it is signed. The fight will only appeal to a British audience... And we are not talking about the vast majority of Brits, a lot of people have given up their interest in Audley.

Fourth.
Money... It is taking so long because Haye wants to "weigh up" his options. He could choose to fight higher ranked contenders.

If he chooses to fight someone like Johnson, Arreola, Thompson or Austin, it would get the American media involved.

And all of these American boxers are currently ranked in the top 20.

[Crease]

Audley kept Haye at bay with a strong jab and Haye's people got all upset about Audley being too big for him.

And yet Haye dispatched of Valuev, who is bigger, heavier and taller than Harrison.

I'm sorry, but this arguement just doesn't wash with me.

[Counter-puncher]

just because it's not a valid argument, wouldn't stop haye's people from using it, Crease.....

[sendo]

From what I heard Haye gave Audley a bit of a going over and even Audley admitted it, said Haye had taken liberties.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

you've gotta have a solid chin to even have a chance against haye.

haye is gonna land cos he's a fast puncher.

we've seen audley get hit before and completely go into his shell.

carlos is winding us up or he's deluded.

I think Haye will win, go back and see for yourself.

However, Harrison will give him the fight of his life.

The last 'Battle of Britian' was Bruno vs Lewis - everyone was saying Bruno was going to get smacked around in 2 rounds - and why wouldn't they? Lewis had just destroyed Razor Ruddock and an in form Tony Tucker - but a fired up Bruno went balls to the wall and gave Lennox a fright in Cardiff - now what you all have to remember is this:

a) A local rivalry which has been simmering for years.
b) Its a heavyweight fight - anything can happen with one punch
c) Haye has been fighting recklessly as of late - a bit like flashing blade down the OK
corral - it makes for exciting viewing but it is a disaster waiting to happen
d) Both fighters are 'chinny'
e) Its a heavyweight fight - anything can happen with one punch
f) Harrison knows if he covers up and becomes all timid then it is over and out full stop
he has to go hell for leather now.
g) Harrison has skills, has handspeed, is fleet of foot and has power as well as size, height, weight and reach advantages and is a southpaw.
h) The problems are not physical but mental - take as evidence the two Danny Williams fights - the first one he surrendered pitifully to lose on points but a year and a day later obliterates the same man in two and a half rounds! Why? Audley didn't improve his skillset in a year - he just was up for it mentally and look what he did? He did a number on the same man who pounded him around the ring a year before.
i) Its a heavyweight fight - anything can happen with one punch

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Audley kept Haye at bay with a strong jab and Haye's people got all upset about Audley being too big for him.

And yet Haye dispatched of Valuev, who is bigger, heavier and taller than Harrison.

I'm sorry, but this arguement just doesn't wash with me.

You don't factor Audleys handspeed and his mobility. This paints the picture differently Creasie baby! DD

[oliverfennell]

First.
Haye wants "a top contender" as he put it, the Klitchskos both have fights, so Haye needs a fight now.

Yes, but which "top contender" is he going to get for Nov 13? Not many will take a world HW title fight at two months' notice. That's without even counting how long it takes to negotiate such things (unless things have been going on in the background).

If he doesn't fight Audley, he's not going to fight anyone much better/higher ranked on that date. For a big name, he's going to have put the fight date back even further.

I don't believe that Haye is being disrespectful toward Audley, but he does recognise that Harrison isn't even ranked in the top 30.

Ranked by who? It's only the sanctioning body that counts in these circumstances, and Audley got ranked by the WBA when he won the affiliated EBU title. I don't know if dropping the title has affected his rank, though.

And as for "independent" rankings... Shannon Briggs isn't even top 75 on BoxRec!

Second.
If Haye were to sign the fight against Harrison, there is a slim possibility that the WBA won't recognise it as a title defence, because in their eyes, Harrison has done nothing to warrant a shot at the WBA title. And this could, ultimately, cause Haye to get stripped of his World title.

Do you guys think that Haye will give up his world title to fight Harrison?
Because I sure as hell, dont.

As above. The EBU win brought with it a WBA ranking for Harrison.

Fourth.
Money... It is taking so long because Haye wants to "weigh up" his options. He could choose to fight higher ranked contenders.

If he chooses to fight someone like Johnson, Arreola, Thompson or Austin, it would get the American media involved.

As above - think of the timeline.

In any case, I don't think those particular names (with the possible exception of Arreola) bring any more intrigue/kudos than Harrison at this stage. All have been trounced by a Klitschko, with two of them losing a lot of rep in doing so, and I honestly don't think they have bigger names in the US or elsewhere.

If we're talking bigger (more lucrative) international names/reputations than Harrison, then it's really only Chagaev, Adamek, Holyfield or, God forbid, Valuev again.

[Crease]

If he doesn't fight Audley, he's not going to fight anyone much better/higher ranked on that date.

In any case, I don't think those particular names (with the possible exception of Arreola) bring any more intrigue/kudos than Harrison at this stage. I honestly don't think they have bigger names in the US or elsewhere.

If we're talking bigger (more lucrative) international names/reputations than Harrison, then it's really only Chagaev, Adamek, Holyfield or, God forbid, Valuev again.

So you think fighting Audley is Haye's best option?

[Dioufy]

It's going to be like the Enzo Macc fight all over again. Yes, Audley is taller, heavier and can punch, but when that first bell goes then Audley's not going to be able to cope with Haye prowling around him in the first round. It's going to be a carbon-copy result.

[oliverfennell]

If he doesn't fight Audley, he's not going to fight anyone much better/higher ranked on that date.

In any case, I don't think those particular names (with the possible exception of Arreola) bring any more intrigue/kudos than Harrison at this stage. I honestly don't think they have bigger names in the US or elsewhere.

If we're talking bigger (more lucrative) international names/reputations than Harrison, then it's really only Chagaev, Adamek, Holyfield or, God forbid, Valuev again.

So you think fighting Audley is Haye's best option?

Earlier, I wouldn't have said so, but I'd say so NOW. Just looking at it realistically - no big name heavyweight is going to take a fight of this importance at two months' notice. If Haye wants to fight SOMEONE in November, he's not going to get much better (and certainly not better known) than Harrison, and at least Harrison has known about the possibility of the fight for a while so will presumably will have been training already.

[jamesmcdonnell]

It's going to be like the Enzo Macc fight all over again. Yes, Audley is taller, heavier and can punch, but when that first bell goes then Audley's not going to be able to cope with Haye prowling around him in the first round. It's going to be a carbon-copy result.

I think Haye will be a little wary of Harrison for a few rounds. Harrison probably won't do much himself, but will feint and paw with the jab enough to last three.

Haye KO4

[Jesus]

am i the only one who thinks haye has not really impressed as a heavyweight? ok he did what he had to do against the freak valuev in which i think haye was very fortunate to get the decision especially with it being in germany and all, but he used similar tactics against the ancient not that good in the first place ruiz...he just would not let his hand go and engage in any way, he seems scared of getting hit almost as much as harrison and im not buying this "i couldnt spar" bs. haye seems a little intimidated by heavyweight power and i think theres just as much chance of haye going into a shell as harrison...

[DavidPayne]

amen.

I could see Richie Davie having to remind them its a fight.

[DavidPayne]

Well no, not really but when Jesus speaks, you have to listen.

[Jose100]

Even a non betting man would bet on a 95-5 fight!

Maybe you don't understand what non betting means.

I think he mean even da non betting man would er how you say "av da go" wiv dose odds being so good?

[Jose100]

am i the only one who thinks haye has not really impressed as a heavyweight?

Me also.

Audley will win as hi is much better in stature ad has fire not like haye who is now a grande porco!

[Autobarn]

What exactly is the hold-up to making this official? Does anyone know? Harrison for his part says he has accepted the terms and is just waiting for Haye to sign, so what is Haye's sticking point?

He doesn't fancy it, i heard whispers of a sparring session a good few years ago where Audley kept Haye at bay with a strong jab and Haye's people got all upset about Audley being too big for him.


mark my words, Harrison by KO...

Chequers on sat, Oliver?

did you just use the words "strong jab" and "audley harrison" in the same sentence?

[Autobarn]

has audley got haye's mobile #?

and is this connected to wild rumours of a sudden spate on khan-style nob pics?

[Mukel]

Harrison and Haye use to be best of friends until Haye apparently took advantage of him in sparring and gave him a pasting
theres a video on youtube where he admits this.

Now sparring is sparring, but Haye was a cruiserweight at the time and european champion, he is a much better
fighter now and Harrison isnt any better, he is in fact on the wrong side of 30 and coming off a bad injury and if your only as good
as your last fight, well Harrison better pray for a miracle.

[Rogers21]

dont think harrison will last 3 rounds to be honest, Hayes gunna him

[Crease]

After viewing the fight, you would have to agree with me that this was a 95-5 fight for Haye.

If they fought 100 times, Haye would win 95% of the time... Harrison is no match for David and never was.