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Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Yeah, Froch became too fat and wanted to fight above 168, and Golovkin's team was pushing him to come down to 168.

The fact that you don't understand what I am saying proves once again that you are an idiot. Golovkin was pushed into a corner where he needed to sign with somebody within a few days, so they had to once again open options of other weight classes. I hope Loefler learned his lesson and will now always have a reliable backup option.

You’ve resorted to insults… you’ve clearly conceded defeat! Thank-you.

No, I am just irritated talking to either an idiot or a liar or both in one.

Facts? I suppose there could be some located in your novels. Facts & logic is not an answer to a direct question.

Angulo just called Canelo a coward:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... story.html

boxing_rocks wrote:Angulo just called Canelo a coward:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... story.html

Willie Monroe Jr. called GGG a hypocrite for the things his team and his fans say about Canelo:
http://www.spam.com/news/article25541.html

Replace 'Spam' with fight hype (without spaces)

To be honest, I’m not against some of the nonsense and hype that Team GGG tell the media about their man, because it’s all about self-promotion… and all fighters have been guilty of it at some point.

I don't have anything against Canelo or GGG.

My frustration lies with the fans, because they choose to have different rules for different fighters and will overlook excruciatingly blatant hypocrisy when it comes to “their” horse in the boxing race.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Angulo just called Canelo a coward:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... story.html

Willie Monroe Jr. called GGG a hypocrite for the things his team and his fans say about Canelo:
http://www.spam.com/news/article25541.html

Replace 'Spam' with fight hype (without spaces)

To be honest, I’m not against some of the nonsense and hype that Team GGG tell the media about their man, because it’s all about self-promotion… and all fighters have been guilty of it at some point.

I don't have anything against Canelo or GGG.

My frustration lies with the fans, because they choose to have different rules for different fighters and will overlook excruciatingly blatant hypocrisy when it comes to “their” horse in the boxing race.

So other than Facts & Logic(a fighter I'm not familiar with) what other career high paydays has GGG turned down? I was interested the last time you dodged the question. By all means, enlighten me.

Don't know why bnovelist comments how Golovkin isn't a draw! Weird.... WARD *GOLOVKIN ALVAREZ MANNY KOVALEV Boxing's Top-5 mega-stars add Floyd of course soon as he returns for bout II vs ("Guess"). *unified title?
(No order to that list would be like picking hairs; Ladies job!)
Why can not Alvarez agree to the meeting? Is it public knowledge?
(Ring magazine aught to do a exclusive here and truly go into the whole matter. Myself I don't trust what I hear randomly because you will hear so very much and it all is contrast. I mean....SURE..someone may have the facts but how do we seperate it from dem?)
It IS the "FIGHT OF THE HOUR"/along with WARD/KOVALEV. FLOYD/GGG. HEAVYWEIGHT DIV ALL RICH WITH GOOD MATCHES NOW.

allInmoderationAIM wrote:Don't know why bnovelist comments how Golovkin isn't a draw! Weird.... WARD *GOLOVKIN ALVAREZ MANNY KOVALEV Boxing's Top-5 mega-stars add Floyd of course soon as he returns for bout II vs ("Guess"). *unified title?
(No order to that list would be like picking hairs; Ladies job!)
Why can not Alvarez agree to the meeting? Is it public knowledge?
(Ring magazine aught to do a exclusive here and truly go into the whole matter. Myself I don't trust what I hear randomly because you will hear so very much and it all is contrast. I mean....SURE..someone may have the facts but how do we seperate it from dem?)
It IS the "FIGHT OF THE HOUR"/along with WARD/KOVALEV. FLOYD/GGG. HEAVYWEIGHT DIV ALL RICH WITH GOOD MATCHES NOW.

I believe you are trying to say something important, but can you do it in understandable English? Are you 3 years old or something?

I agree to a certain extent. Cards on the table, of course he's ducked him. But his level of ducking is nowhere near Mayweather's yet. The Pacman duck raised the bar. A few months back I wrote the link below, which is essentially stressing that Floyd's screwed it for any other guy who is going to duck someone. This hopefully will be a good thing long term, mind you. There's another angle to this too, did GGG duck Ward? He never had any desire to move up and fight him.

http://boxingtruth.net/why-do-fans-forg ... t-canelos/

boxingtruth wrote:There's another angle to this too, did GGG duck Ward? He never had any desire to move up and fight him.

That is a lie. GGG agreed to fight Ward in 2013 when HBO offered them both a fight, but Ward refused and selected to fight Rodriguez.

boxing_rocks wrote:

boxingtruth wrote:There's another angle to this too, did GGG duck Ward? He never had any desire to move up and fight him.

That is a lie. GGG agreed to fight Ward in 2013 when HBO offered them both a fight, but Ward refused and selected to fight Rodriguez.

Ward didn't select Rodriguez, he wanted truax but HBO strong armed him into Edwin.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

boxingtruth wrote:There's another angle to this too, did GGG duck Ward? He never had any desire to move up and fight him.

That is a lie. GGG agreed to fight Ward in 2013 when HBO offered them both a fight, but Ward refused and selected to fight Rodriguez.

Ward didn't select Rodriguez, he wanted truax but HBO strong armed him into Edwin.

For whose benefit did they strong arm him into the Rodriguez fight? My money's on Golovkin's. I like both Ward and GGG but GGG had no interest in moving up to fight the best at super middleweight.

http://www.BS.com/golden-boy-v ... rd--103853

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/articl ... offer.html

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:So other than Facts & Logic(a fighter I'm not familiar with) what other career high paydays has GGG turned down? I was interested the last time you dodged the question. By all means, enlighten me.

It looks as though you’re invoking a straw man argument, arguing against a stance that I don’t support.

I actually stated that Team Golovkin have repeatedly claimed that they'd fight anyone between 154lbs and 175lbs, as he would "easily" compete at those weights, whilst subsequently refusing to move up a division for career high paydays.

Whether you refute this point or not, there are YouTube videos and interview transcripts of Froch & Ward both claiming that (at one point in time) GGG was not willing to move up an entire weight division to face them, instead he demanded 164lb catch weights.

There are also threads on this forum and YouTube videos discussing Team Golovkin’s refusal to consider facing DeGale last year at 168lbs, their reason was the fight wasn't big enough for them, despite the fact he almost certainly would have earned a career-high purse for that bout.

For sure, Loeffler disputes Froch’s words, because he claimed they would have done 168lbs, but the promoter’s honesty and integrity is in doubt when he also claimed Saunders declined $4m to face GGG when the Brit himself said the figure was only $1.5m, an amount he could have earned elsewhere against an easier opponent.

There are plenty of videos and articles of team golovkin saying they'd fight anyone from 154-168. I thought this was common knowledge? Pretty silly to argue with historical facts.

It is pretty hypocritical to criticize canelo for khan but not ggg for the brook fight regardless of him wanting to keep the venue and fight date. It's literally the same thing. Nobody pointed a gun at their heads and forced them to drag a guy up two weight classes. Delays and cancellations happen all the time. When Shawn Porter had to get a last minute replacement he didn't drag up a featherweight, he fought another welterweight.

I fail to under how fanboys keep painting this narrative that ggg's middleweight division peers are all running from him and he can't find opponents but then get mad when you suggest he move up or down to look for other opponents. This is like a guy who clocks into work at the same crappy job complaining about how much it sucks over and over but never looks for a new job.

What middleweight would sign in 2 days to fight GGG, in England?, Saunders wouldn't, Eubank Jnr didn't, who else can you think of

Pureist wrote:What middleweight would sign in 2 days to fight GGG, in England?, Saunders wouldn't, Eubank Jnr didn't, who else can you think of

I think you’re desperately clutching at straws here. There were other options available.

Look, the issue we’re discussing in this thread is whether or not Canelo is being treated unfairly by fight fans. And from what I can tell, he’s being criticised for doing the very same things that Golovkin gets a free pass for.

I’m merely highlighting the fact that fight fans choose to have different rules for different fighters and will always overlook excruciatingly blatant hypocrisy when it comes to “their” chosen horse in the boxing race.

boxing_rocks wrote:

allInmoderationAIM wrote:Don't know why bnovelist comments how Golovkin isn't a draw! Weird.... WARD *GOLOVKIN ALVAREZ MANNY KOVALEV Boxing's Top-5 mega-stars add Floyd of course soon as he returns for bout II vs ("Guess"). *unified title?
(No order to that list would be like picking hairs; Ladies job!)
Why can not Alvarez agree to the meeting? Is it public knowledge?
(Ring magazine aught to do a exclusive here and truly go into the whole matter. Myself I don't trust what I hear randomly because you will hear so very much and it all is contrast. I mean....SURE..someone may have the facts but how do we seperate it from dem?)
It IS the "FIGHT OF THE HOUR"/along with WARD/KOVALEV. FLOYD/GGG. HEAVYWEIGHT DIV ALL RICH WITH GOOD MATCHES NOW.

I believe you are trying to say something important, but can you do it in understandable English? Are you 3 years old or something?

Difference between you and Johnny, here, Johnny has a pedigree as an am and pro boxer and has fought some good fighters, he also knows about boxing, he just struggles to articulate it on here.
You, your are a disrespectful keyboard warrior.

boxingtruth wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
That is a lie. GGG agreed to fight Ward in 2013 when HBO offered them both a fight, but Ward refused and selected to fight Rodriguez.

Ward didn't select Rodriguez, he wanted truax but HBO strong armed him into Edwin.

For whose benefit did they strong arm him into the Rodriguez fight? My money's on Golovkin's. I like both Ward and GGG but GGG had no interest in moving up to fight the best at super middleweight.

http://www.BS.com/golden-boy-v ... rd--103853

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/articl ... offer.html

They rejected the lesser fighters ward wanted.

Enlightened-One wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:So other than Facts & Logic(a fighter I'm not familiar with) what other career high paydays has GGG turned down? I was interested the last time you dodged the question. By all means, enlighten me.

It looks as though you’re invoking a straw man argument, arguing against a stance that I don’t support.

I actually stated that Team Golovkin have repeatedly claimed that they'd fight anyone between 154lbs and 175lbs, as he would "easily" compete at those weights, whilst subsequently refusing to move up a division for career high paydays.

Whether you refute this point or not, there are YouTube videos and interview transcripts of Froch & Ward both claiming that (at one point in time) GGG was not willing to move up an entire weight division to face them, instead he demanded 164lb catch weights.

There are also threads on this forum and YouTube videos discussing Team Golovkin’s refusal to consider facing DeGale last year at 168lbs, their reason was the fight wasn't big enough for them, despite the fact he almost certainly would have earned a career-high purse for that bout.

For sure, Loeffler disputes Froch’s words, because he claimed they would have done 168lbs, but the promoter’s honesty and integrity is in doubt when he also claimed Saunders declined $4m to face GGG when the Brit himself said the figure was only $1.5m, an amount he could have earned elsewhere against an easier opponent.

Shhh, so you have nothing. Froch decided to retire. Not ggg's fault. Degale was a career high payday? Doubt that. Ward talks a lot, but there was never a realistic offer or a realistic time. Blogs aren't facts and novels are for books. Carry on, kid.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Pureist wrote:What middleweight would sign in 2 days to fight GGG, in England?, Saunders wouldn't, Eubank Jnr didn't, who else can you think of

I think you’re desperately clutching at straws here. There were other options available.

Look, the issue we’re discussing in this thread is whether or not Canelo is being treated unfairly by fight fans. And from what I can tell, he’s being criticised for doing the very same things that Golovkin gets a free pass for.

I’m merely highlighting the fact that fight fans choose to have different rules for different fighters and will always overlook excruciatingly blatant hypocrisy when it comes to “their” chosen horse in the boxing race.

No - he isn't.

GGG was in negotiations for a fight with Eubank Jr, which fell through, he then took the bout with Brook at short notice, as he wants to fight regularly. He was lined up to fight another genuine proper MW in Eubank Jr, the fight with Brook came along, and he jumped at it.

Canelo by contrast, went into the ring after GGG's last fight, and started spouting cobblers about how he wanted to fight GGG, and he didn't want a catchweight, then dumped the belt, and said he was moving to 154.

Can you see the difference there?

Pureist wrote:What middleweight would sign in 2 days to fight GGG, in England?, Saunders wouldn't, Eubank Jnr didn't, who else can you think of

I know, it's ridiculous, the idea he had other options is pretty dumb. I rarely see eye to eye with you, but in this instance you're spot on.

Hey, hey, evidently he could have fought a PBC fighter on HBO for a career high payday. Get enlightened fellas.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hey, hey, evidently he could have fought a PBC fighter on HBO for a career high payday. Get enlightened fellas.

Loeffler Confirms: Golovkin Would Have Fought DeGale at 168lbs:
http://www.BS.com/loeffler-con ... 68--107066

In case you didn't know, James DeGale is a PBC fighter:
http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/james-degale

Just an extra bit of information, in case you need enlightening, GGG is tied to an exclusive contract with HBO:
http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... usive-deal

Instead of arguing with people, isn’t it better to learn the subject matter beforehand?

He also said that Kazakhs/Russians don't f*ck around and he was ready to fight Ward right now, but then dropped his belts and selected Brook.

Enlightened-One wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hey, hey, evidently he could have fought a PBC fighter on HBO for a career high payday. Get enlightened fellas.

Loeffler Confirms: Golovkin Would Have Fought DeGale at 168lbs:
http://www.BS.com/loeffler-con ... 68--107066

In case you didn't know, James DeGale is a PBC fighter:
http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/james-degale

Just an extra bit of information, in case you need enlightening, GGG is tied to an exclusive contract with HBO:
http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... usive-deal

Instead of arguing with people, isn’t it better to learn the subject matter beforehand?

Are you fergusg's alt ? He was doing exact same thing: not listening to arguments and throwing a bunch of information proving nothing.

Yes, Golovkin has an exclusive deal with HBO which means that any opponent would have to fight him on HBO which makes most of PBC top fighters unavailble. Yes, Golovkin would fight DeGale at 168 on HBO if he could take that fight on a short notice, but that would be extremely unrealistic unless he left Haymon.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hey, hey, evidently he could have fought a PBC fighter on HBO for a career high payday. Get enlightened fellas.

Loeffler Confirms: Golovkin Would Have Fought DeGale at 168lbs:
http://www.BS.com/loeffler-con ... 68--107066

In case you didn't know, James DeGale is a PBC fighter:
http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/james-degale

Just an extra bit of information, in case you need enlightening, GGG is tied to an exclusive contract with HBO:
http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... usive-deal

Instead of arguing with people, isn’t it better to learn the subject matter beforehand?

boxing_rocks wrote:He also said that Kazakhs/Russians don't f*ck around and he was ready to fight Ward right now, but then dropped his belts and selected Brook.

Never happened.