Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post Reply
bnovelist
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 987
Joined: 23 Nov 2009, 02:37

Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by bnovelist »

Canelo has been doing his thing for years at 154lbs having great success. A money fight with the LEGEND Miguel Cotto comes around who just

happens to have a middleweight strap but their fight is actually 154lbs 155lbs now all of the sudden he's being forced to fight this monster GGG

who doesn't have any drawing whatsoever. Canelo is being treated unfair by the public he's given us great fights time and time again but its never

enough. After GGG then people will want to see him fight at 175lbs
jezzamundo
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3127
Joined: 16 Jun 2004, 13:11

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by jezzamundo »

GGG is a monster, but the only way he's bigger than Canelo is in height. Canelo is a natural middleweight who drains to make 154-155lb and on fight night weighs as much or more than GGG. He was rightfully criticised for fighting Khan. He should either stick to 154lb and fight the Charlos and Andrade, or move up, fight some real middleweights and then GGG.
gilgamesh
Cruiserweight
Posts: 46266
Joined: 02 Sep 2010, 16:21

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by gilgamesh »

Canelo isn't being treated harshly enough IMO. He should have zero attendance at his next fight. Boxing doesn't need cowards.
Kalan
Super Middleweight
Posts: 10083
Joined: 23 Sep 2012, 23:22

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by Kalan »

If Alvarez fought Golovkin the fight would draw 2 million PPVs, probably 3 million... It's the biggest in-demand fight in the world, but all Canelo has done is fight smaller chinny fighters like Welterweight Amir Khan and 20 pounds lighter and shorter Miguel Cotto.. James Kirkland they knew was a chinny dude because Nobuhiro Ishida knocked him out in the 1st round... So it's fine to ask Amir Khan to come up 8 pounds in weight but Alvarez doesn't want to fight other Middleweights like himself because he has a system for extreme dehydration which gives him a big advantage fighting at Caneloweight.

The guy who's being treated unfairly is Triple-G... Martinez ducked him for 4 years... Cotto fought one anemic title defense in a year and a half before fighting Canelo so he had plenty of time to fight GGG.. Canelo promised to fight GGG.. He said "I'll fight him tomorrow" and "We Mexicans have a saying We Don't Phuk Around." ... Canelo is a big talker, but he's a coward like Jacobs and Saunders.
gilgamesh
Cruiserweight
Posts: 46266
Joined: 02 Sep 2010, 16:21

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by gilgamesh »

I'm sure Canelo is hoping Father Time catches up with Golovkin and slows him down in the next few years.
apollo creed
Super Welterweight
Posts: 7254
Joined: 18 Aug 2014, 12:28

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by apollo creed »

gilgamesh wrote:I'm sure Canelo is hoping Father Time catches up with Golovkin and slows him down in the next few years.
:TU: this

They bank on this thing. Canelo is 25 and GGG is 34.
Like a Boss
Light Heavyweight
Posts: 5863
Joined: 01 May 2012, 03:21

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by Like a Boss »

gilgamesh wrote:I'm sure Canelo is hoping Father Time catches up with Golovkin and slows him down in the next few years.
That's the game plan all right. Trouble is everyone can see it for what it is and as a result is Canelo's credibility has nosedived.
bigjack
Heavyweight
Heavyweight

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by bigjack »

It's golden boy Oscar that doesn't want the fight,Canelo,like all other fighters are not cowards or chickens,they just want the best deals for the risk as their next fight always has the potential to be their last,I do hate catchweights though,drives me nuts.
lefty
Light Heavyweight
Posts: 19821
Joined: 04 Feb 2012, 11:33

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by lefty »

I do think he's being a bit unfairly treated myself but I respect the fact that I'm in the minority on this.

My reasoning being that he's always been willing to fight some of the best fighters in the division at the time ie Trout (who was one of the best fighters when they fought) and obviously Lara who was high risk (in terms of getting a loss) but low reward in terms of financially.

Now don't get me wrong- when Canelo had the belt and Golovkin was mandatory he should have fought him and if he still held the belt he should have fought him.

However he's given the belt up now and gone to fight Smith at 154 for his belt. When he was fighting at middleweight he never actually fought a true middleweight- he took the fight against Cotto because he wasnt a true middleweight himself and thus he saw it as an easy opportunity to get a belt at another weight class.

I know people are gonna say well he is a Middleweight in reality but he drains himself to make 154/155- now again thats true but he'said unlikely to be the only fighter in boxing currently doing that. I've read before that Crawford used to cut a hell of a lot of weight to make 135 and still cuts quite a lot to make 140.

Kovalev is rumoured to walk around at 200/195 lbs and fights at 175.

Anyway If Canelo legitimately enters middleweight at 160 and still ducks Golovkin then he totally deserves all the criticism he'll undoubtedly get.
caldo2025
Super Welterweight
Posts: 4417
Joined: 16 Dec 2014, 07:37

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by caldo2025 »

bnovelist wrote:Canelo has been doing his thing for years at 154lbs having great success. A money fight with the LEGEND Miguel Cotto comes around who just

happens to have a middleweight strap but their fight is actually 154lbs 155lbs now all of the sudden he's being forced to fight this monster GGG

who doesn't have any drawing whatsoever. Canelo is being treated unfair by the public he's given us great fights time and time again but its never

enough. After GGG then people will want to see him fight at 175lbs
Canelo and Golden Boy deserve everything that they are getting right now. Cotto was not only long in the tooth in his career but also the lightest lineal MW champion ever and Canelo and GB couldn't pass up an easy victory and the strap. Cotto was already getting heat for not fighting GGG and it was "supposedly" already set in writing that the winner would have to face GGG before they took the fight. All of that would be fine and good if Canelo kept his mouth shut and vacated the belt. But he drew the attention bringing GGG inside the ring and saying what he said after the fight about him being Mexican and fighting then and there.

Canelo's popularity was sky rocketing before the Cotto fight and had they not taken that fight, he'd be sitting in the throne that Floyd left open. Now he's just another scared boxer and he's Mexican...those two adjectives shouldn't be applied to one person.
Badhusker
Cruiserweight
Posts: 4902
Joined: 19 Jun 2010, 23:57

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by Badhusker »

caldo2025 wrote:
bnovelist wrote:Canelo has been doing his thing for years at 154lbs having great success. A money fight with the LEGEND Miguel Cotto comes around who just

happens to have a middleweight strap but their fight is actually 154lbs 155lbs now all of the sudden he's being forced to fight this monster GGG

who doesn't have any drawing whatsoever. Canelo is being treated unfair by the public he's given us great fights time and time again but its never

enough. After GGG then people will want to see him fight at 175lbs
Canelo and Golden Boy deserve everything that they are getting right now. Cotto was not only long in the tooth in his career but also the lightest lineal MW champion ever and Canelo and GB couldn't pass up an easy victory and the strap. Cotto was already getting heat for not fighting GGG and it was "supposedly" already set in writing that the winner would have to face GGG before they took the fight. All of that would be fine and good if Canelo kept his mouth shut and vacated the belt. But he drew the attention bringing GGG inside the ring and saying what he said after the fight about him being Mexican and fighting then and there.

Canelo's popularity was sky rocketing before the Cotto fight and had they not taken that fight, he'd be sitting in the throne that Floyd left open. Now he's just another scared boxer and he's Mexican...those two adjectives shouldn't be applied to one person.

Mexican is an adjective? :oo
boxing_rocks
Welterweight
Posts: 7851
Joined: 20 May 2016, 13:11

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by boxing_rocks »

jezzamundo wrote:Canelo is a natural middleweight who drains to make 154-155lb and on fight night weighs as much or more than GGG.
... and I strongly doubt that he is using legal means for cutting weight.
boxing_rocks
Welterweight
Posts: 7851
Joined: 20 May 2016, 13:11

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by boxing_rocks »

bnovelist wrote:Canelo has been doing his thing for years at 154lbs having great success
with serious help from corrupt judges.
Like a Boss
Light Heavyweight
Posts: 5863
Joined: 01 May 2012, 03:21

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by Like a Boss »

bigjack wrote:It's golden boy Oscar that doesn't want the fight,Canelo,like all other fighters are not cowards or chickens,they just want the best deals for the risk as their next fight always has the potential to be their last,I do hate catchweights though,drives me nuts.
I don't for a minute think Canelo is scared of fighting GGG.

But what is obvious is Canelo and Golden Boy are very pessimistic of Canelo's chances of beating GGG at 160 pounds, and that is why he has headed off to 154 pounds again.
lazboy
Super Lightweight
Posts: 5563
Joined: 16 Jun 2016, 21:00

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by lazboy »

Like a Boss wrote:
bigjack wrote:It's golden boy Oscar that doesn't want the fight,Canelo,like all other fighters are not cowards or chickens,they just want the best deals for the risk as their next fight always has the potential to be their last,I do hate catchweights though,drives me nuts.
I don't for a minute think Canelo is scared of fighting GGG.

But what is obvious is Canelo and Golden Boy are very pessimistic of Canelo's chances of beating GGG at 160 pounds, and that is why he has headed off to 154 pounds again.
I don't like Canelo from what i've seen, personality wise but no way do I think he'd be a coward in the ring. He'll take his beating from Golovkin like a man and give some back, thats why we want to see the fight, its an interesting match up. I think he's scared of having another blemish on his record which him and GBP think will affect his marketability but thats already fucked now because they underestimated social media. I think he's too materialistic, wants to wear all the nice clothes, have the best car and house, be seen to be the best rather than actually fighting the best and earning it the fighters way. A proper fighter wants to constantly challenge himself/herself and grow. Canelo is going in with the physical and psychological edge against all his opponents of late, they pretty much can't hurt him because of his size and he can hurt them. This is why he's already lost the psychological battle against Glolovkin. GGG 1 Canelo 0.
jezzamundo
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3127
Joined: 16 Jun 2004, 13:11

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by jezzamundo »

boxing_rocks wrote:
jezzamundo wrote:Canelo is a natural middleweight who drains to make 154-155lb and on fight night weighs as much or more than GGG.
... and I strongly doubt that he is using legal means for cutting weight.
It's easier to cut weight when you're young - I don't have any reason to suspect Canelo is doing anything illegal.
squiggy
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 2093
Joined: 04 Feb 2008, 03:35

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by squiggy »

lefty wrote:I do think he's being a bit unfairly treated myself but I respect the fact that I'm in the minority on this.

My reasoning being that he's always been willing to fight some of the best fighters in the division at the time ie Trout (who was one of the best fighters when they fought) and obviously Lara who was high risk (in terms of getting a loss) but low reward in terms of financially.

Now don't get me wrong- when Canelo had the belt and Golovkin was mandatory he should have fought him and if he still held the belt he should have fought him.

However he's given the belt up now and gone to fight Smith at 154 for his belt. When he was fighting at middleweight he never actually fought a true middleweight- he took the fight against Cotto because he wasnt a true middleweight himself and thus he saw it as an easy opportunity to get a belt at another weight class.

I know people are gonna say well he is a Middleweight in reality but he drains himself to make 154/155- now again thats true but he'said unlikely to be the only fighter in boxing currently doing that. I've read before that Crawford used to cut a hell of a lot of weight to make 135 and still cuts quite a lot to make 140.

Kovalev is rumoured to walk around at 200/195 lbs and fights at 175.

Anyway If Canelo legitimately enters middleweight at 160 and still ducks Golovkin then he totally deserves all the criticism he'll undoubtedly get.
You're right, but those were stylistic challenges, not "get conclusively outslugged and hurt" challenges.
Butterbean
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 490
Joined: 26 Jun 2008, 15:47

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by Butterbean »

bnovelist wrote:Canelo has been doing his thing for years at 154lbs having great success. A money fight with the LEGEND Miguel Cotto comes around who just

happens to have a middleweight strap but their fight is actually 154lbs 155lbs now all of the sudden he's being forced to fight this monster GGG

who doesn't have any drawing whatsoever. Canelo is being treated unfair by the public he's given us great fights time and time again but its never

enough. After GGG then people will want to see him fight at 175lbs
stop, just stop
Cygnus475
Welterweight
Posts: 271
Joined: 27 Feb 2016, 16:33

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by Cygnus475 »

Ggg should let himself get knocked down in his next fight, maybe go the distance a few times throwing sissy jabs to look like he's slipping and see if oscar takes the bait. the boxing world assumes ggg is washed. In the face off, ggg is staring at the ground, mumbling.

On 24/7 Max Kellerman looks at him with a stern look "are you sure of yourself? Do you really want to follow through on this?". Ggg nods slowly "yes...yes I think I will give it my best shot. One more fight. Maybe I still have power, not too sure. I had a good training camp". And Kellerman is all "but this guy is in the prime of his life, hits like a mule and has gained even more experience while you haven't looked so great in your last few fights. Why take the fight now?". Canelo is just barely concealing his sheepish grin, thinking he's won already.

Then...the fight. Canelo is raising his arms proudly as the Mexican national anthem plays. Sold out stadium. Soon as the bell rings, canelo storms out only to quickly realize he's made a grave miscalculation. Ggg has been playing possum and now he has nowhere to run. Canelo's face turns a ghastly shade of white as triple g corners him, lands some hellacious body shots, and beats him from pillar to post for 3 gruelling rounds before canelos corner throws in the towel to save their cash cow. Oscar sues k2 for false advertising and canelo goes into hiding dying his hair black and growing a moustache.
DrunkenBoxer
Welterweight
Posts: 190
Joined: 30 Sep 2015, 16:05

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by DrunkenBoxer »

If Canelo and GGG square off, I think we can call the fight over as soon as GGG lets Canelo hit him just to toy with him.
lazboy
Super Lightweight
Posts: 5563
Joined: 16 Jun 2016, 21:00

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by lazboy »

Cygnus475 wrote:Ggg should let himself get knocked down in his next fight, maybe go the distance a few times throwing sissy jabs to look like he's slipping and see if oscar takes the bait. the boxing world assumes ggg is washed. In the face off, ggg is staring at the ground, mumbling.

On 24/7 Max Kellerman looks at him with a stern look "are you sure of yourself? Do you really want to follow through on this?". Ggg nods slowly "yes...yes I think I will give it my best shot. One more fight. Maybe I still have power, not too sure. I had a good training camp". And Kellerman is all "but this guy is in the prime of his life, hits like a mule and has gained even more experience while you haven't looked so great in your last few fights. Why take the fight now?". Canelo is just barely concealing his sheepish grin, thinking he's won already.

Then...the fight. Canelo is raising his arms proudly as the Mexican national anthem plays. Sold out stadium. Soon as the bell rings, canelo storms out only to quickly realize he's made a grave miscalculation. Ggg has been playing possum and now he has nowhere to run. Canelo's face turns a ghastly shade of white as triple g corners him, lands some hellacious body shots, and beats him from pillar to post for 3 gruelling rounds before canelos corner throws in the towel to save their cash cow. Oscar sues k2 for false advertising and canelo goes into hiding dying his hair black and growing a moustache.

Seriously that was fornicating hilarious. So descriptive. Just the thought of it...ggg having to play possum for years, for years lol to get this fight. Ggg the mastermind. Lmao!!!!
Kalan
Super Middleweight
Posts: 10083
Joined: 23 Sep 2012, 23:22

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by Kalan »

Cygnus475 wrote:Ggg should let himself get knocked down in his next fight, maybe go the distance a few times throwing sissy jabs to look like he's slipping and see if oscar takes the bait. the boxing world assumes ggg is washed. In the face off, ggg is staring at the ground, mumbling.

On 24/7 Max Kellerman looks at him with a stern look "are you sure of yourself? Do you really want to follow through on this?". Ggg nods slowly "yes...yes I think I will give it my best shot. One more fight. Maybe I still have power, not too sure. I had a good training camp". And Kellerman is all "but this guy is in the prime of his life, hits like a mule and has gained even more experience while you haven't looked so great in your last few fights. Why take the fight now?". Canelo is just barely concealing his sheepish grin, thinking he's won already.

Then...the fight. Canelo is raising his arms proudly as the Mexican national anthem plays. Sold out stadium. Soon as the bell rings, canelo storms out only to quickly realize he's made a grave miscalculation. Ggg has been playing possum and now he has nowhere to run. Canelo's face turns a ghastly shade of white as triple g corners him, lands some hellacious body shots, and beats him from pillar to post for 3 gruelling rounds before canelos corner throws in the towel to save their cash cow. Oscar sues k2 for false advertising and canelo goes into hiding dying his hair black and growing a moustache.
A boxer might play possum when he's sparring somebody in the gym... If he wants a fight with them... He might carry somebody a couple of rounds in a boxing match by boxing more and taking rounds off... but generally he going to do his best... He's not going to do poorly in a fight because that just gives your opponent another excuse not to fight you.. You think nobody has ever thought of losing or looking bad deliberately??? ... You could set up criminals to bet on a fight where you're a 20/1 favorite.. You would have to insure a way to guarantee they're going to pay you 50% or whatever your payoff is.. If you're a real good boxer you could watch a select punch all the way in and absorb it without too many problems, so it makes sweat fly off you like a bastard... if you sense it's a super convincing punch you can fake a seemingly brutal knockdown that doesn't hurt you too much... fall like you've been shot... let your head bounce... try valiantly to get to your feet and then stumble around... then argue with the referee when he rules you out... and then hang your head in shame and bury your face in the palms of your gloves... then after crying and apologizing to your fans you could gather your payoff from your cohorts... but will that suddenly get you Canelo, Jacobs, or Saunders???

NO!!!! That's just another excuse they'll have... You've been "exposed" so they don't have to fight you... What you do is just keep beating the best fighter who will face you---like you've been doing for the last 7 years---until they're forced to fight you and can't fight around you any longer.
Cygnus475
Welterweight
Posts: 271
Joined: 27 Feb 2016, 16:33

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by Cygnus475 »

DrunkenBoxer wrote:If Canelo and GGG square off, I think we can call the fight over as soon as GGG lets Canelo hit him just to toy with him.
1-Canelo doesn't hit as hard as you think. He isn't knocking out GGG from a couple unanswered shots, he'd need to set him up or wear him down.

2-You underestimate GGG's defensive ability and chin

3-It was a joke
Oiky
Super Welterweight
Posts: 7241
Joined: 16 Feb 2015, 09:22

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by Oiky »

canelo is not being treated unfairly at all
SFW
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 1246
Joined: 11 Sep 2009, 11:04

Re: Canelo Being Treated Unfair Absolutely

Post by SFW »

Kalan wrote:If Alvarez fought Golovkin the fight would draw 2 million PPVs, probably 3 million... It's the biggest in-demand fight in the world, but all Canelo has done is fight smaller chinny fighters like Welterweight Amir Khan and 20 pounds lighter and shorter Miguel Cotto.. James Kirkland they knew was a chinny dude because Nobuhiro Ishida knocked him out in the 1st round... So it's fine to ask Amir Khan to come up 8 pounds in weight but Alvarez doesn't want to fight other Middleweights like himself because he has a system for extreme dehydration which gives him a big advantage fighting at Caneloweight.

The guy who's being treated unfairly is Triple-G... Martinez ducked him for 4 years... Cotto fought one anemic title defense in a year and a half before fighting Canelo so he had plenty of time to fight GGG.. Canelo promised to fight GGG.. He said "I'll fight him tomorrow" and "We Mexicans have a saying We Don't Phuk Around." ... Canelo is a big talker, but he's a coward like Jacobs and Saunders.
This is like the Holy Scripture of comments, it deserves at least a plaque in a public park close to Canelo's house or something.
Post Reply