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montrealsuper wrote:"Al Haymon can manipulate ANYTHING... What Al Haymon wants Al Haymon gets." -- Paulie Malignaggi statement weeks before he ultimately changed his tune and signed with Al Haymon

al Haymon desperately wants and need Wilder to duck Povetkin. Framing Povetkin turned out to be so very convenient didn't it?

BitPlayer wrote:

Kalan wrote:You're full of crap... Povetkin isn't done with Wilder, VADA, the WBC or his lawsuits... He knows he's innocent and never took PEDs and he'll prevail

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2017/02/ ... k-positive

greg wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: No it wasn't. Find one that concluded that. Not that they didn't have enough to conclude guilt, but he was actually innocent.

WBC ruling: "If during the course of the pending litigation between Povetkin and WBC champion Deontay Wilder, the Court makes a final ruling that differs from the findings set forth herein, the WBC shall have the right to review this ruling and take any course of action it may deem appropriate...."

That doesn't imply he's innocent.

We lack the evidence to prove guilt =/= He's innocent

Under the American system of justice, you're innocent until proven guilty.. The WBC did a many months long investigation to harass Povetkin, and then came out with mealy mouthed statements and findings that they couldn't prove he was guilty.. They're a bunch of fkking jerks who don't give a damn about anything but money, supporting their boys Wilder, Dibella, and their partners in crime at VADA.

montrealsuper wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Drug testing never catches A side house fighters - drug testing is a weapon to protect and preserve lucrative in house fighters - Floyd was caught using an ILLEGAL IV the day before Pac fight and it was covered up - Floyd was protected A side house fighter - Povetkin is getting railroaded by the corrupt estab and it's kangaroo court -

Surely such a grand conspiracy theory requires more evidence than "Povetkin can't be guilty!". Like leaked documents, whistleblowers, certain movements of money, that sort of thing.

You don't see the heavy motives for Haymon and company to fu** Povetkin?

Do you not see the mtives forPovetkin to take PEDs? Just having a motive prooves shit.

Kalan wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Kalan wrote:You're full of crap... Povetkin isn't done with Wilder, VADA, the WBC or his lawsuits... He knows he's innocent and never took PEDs and he'll prevail

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2017/02/ ... k-positive

greg wrote: WBC ruling: "If during the course of the pending litigation between Povetkin and WBC champion Deontay Wilder, the Court makes a final ruling that differs from the findings set forth herein, the WBC shall have the right to review this ruling and take any course of action it may deem appropriate...."

That doesn't imply he's innocent.

We lack the evidence to prove guilt =/= He's innocent

Under the American system of justice, you're innocent until proven guilty.. The WBC did a many months long investigation to harass Povetkin, and then came out with mealy mouthed statements and findings that they couldn't prove he was guilty.. They're a bunch of fkking jerks who don't give a damn about anything but money, supporting their boys Wilder, Dibella, and their partners in crime at VADA.

So we all agree then he was never proven to be innocent only they concluded there wasn't enough evidence, the civil case, which has a lower bar for certainty than criminal cases, thought there was enough evidence.

This wasn't a criminal case.. The tests reveal whether Povetkin used PEDs or he didn't use them.. He passed all his tests according to the protocols of WADA and everyone else involved in the drug testing business who tested him.. Therefore it remains a question whether the jury was given false information was never contradicted by testimony or appropriate evidence.

This they surely did when Burstein uttered a blatant lie -- that the only reasonable explanation for Povetkin having a minute and allowable trace of Meldonium in his system is that he took Meldonium in 2016.. When VADA, WADA, and the WBC's rulings directly contradicted his statement.

asdfjkl wrote:

ldlamb wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote: So, WADA can't determine when Povetkin took meldonium, but random jurors can ??? They FOUND NO FACTS, just stated their biased opinion.

The jury only needs to be 51% sure of what happened. That is called a finding of fact in civil litigation

Is that how things work? I'm 51% sure you're a drugsdealer, now you get 20 years in prison?

For me this is the perfect example of how massively destroyed Povetkin his reputation is. We're talking about an innocent men here, who's completely destroyed by mistakes solely made by Americans, possibly, what did I say, most likely, on purpose.

Its a different standard in a criminal case (beyond a reasonable doubt), than a civil case (preponderance of the evidence.....51%).

Sorry, the jury doesn't see things your way......unfortunately we don't live in the Kingdom of Kalan.

The preponderance of the evidence clearly demonstrates Povetkin isn’t guilty with 100% certainly... The WADA protocols proved he wasn't guilty after months of investigations… VADA and the WBC very reluctantly agreed.. They only wanted to thwart Ryabinsky's effort to make Moscow a competitive venue for World Heavyweight Championship Fights and to stop them from winning purse bids from American promoters. So at the latest possible hour they come up with a test that they claimed they had to "investigate" ... That action destroyed the promotion in itself, even though Povetkin was later exonerated of PED use.

But in the breach of contract case, Judd Burstein lied to the jury to get an unjust verdict and Povetkin's lawyer was either bought off, or he put on the worst defense in the history of law for some other reason. It's not about what I wanted to happen, it's about justice.. I hate whenever the bad guys win (which often happens in real life because they don't play fair) and justice isn't served.. I realize that the ultimate curve of the universe tends towards justice - and that justice will be served in the next life. That's why I'm not too angry. Christ himself was a victim of injustice in the form of capital punishment. That was to serve as an example to humankind that we need forbearance, because Judgment Day will come. However, it seems like a long time to wait.

Good post, Kalan. I think Povetkin is now the best heavyweight in the world. The Russians need to keep their athletes the hell away from Doc Goodman and her Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia drug planting racket.

ldlamb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

ldlamb wrote:

The jury only needs to be 51% sure of what happened. That is called a finding of fact in civil litigation

Is that how things work? I'm 51% sure you're a drugsdealer, now you get 20 years in prison?

For me this is the perfect example of how massively destroyed Povetkin his reputation is. We're talking about an innocent men here, who's completely destroyed by mistakes solely made by Americans, possibly, what did I say, most likely, on purpose.

Its a different standard in a criminal case (beyond a reasonable doubt), than a civil case (preponderance of the evidence.....51%).

Sorry, the jury doesn't see things your way......unfortunately we don't live in the Kingdom of Kalan.

Like Wilder isn't a criminal in this case? He stole many many millions?!