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dirk2686 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 16:25 How many different people have 'dominated' the heavyweight division? Since Lewis you could realistically say there have only been two 'dominant' champions, and both have the same surname. Even then Vitali is missing a lot of big fights.

People used to talk about a weight difference but Wilder is under 220.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:42

dirk2686 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 16:25 How many different people have 'dominated' the heavyweight division? Since Lewis you could realistically say there have only been two 'dominant' champions, and both have the same surname. Even then Vitali is missing a lot of big fights.

People used to talk about a weight difference but Wilder is under 220.

Height and reach are probably more significant factors in the heavyweight division than weight is.

Lennox Lewis, Klitschkos and Anthony Joshua are all taller than 6 foot 4 inches in height and have dominated / are dominating the heavyweight division. Why hasn't there been a heavyweight shorter than 6 foot 4 inches that dominated the heavyweight division during those periods? Perhaps we have to accept the fact that shorter heavyweights are like little rodents / insects. They are totally irrelevant and should be disqualified from ever being able to compete in the heavyweight division because they simply have no chance at ever dominating. And trust me, I guarantee you in the next 50 years, there'll come 0 dominant number 1 heavyweight world champion shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in height. It's simply impossible! Alexander Povetkin and David Haye are the peak / limitations of how good a short heavyweight can ever be. They simply won't ever be any better in the future!

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:45

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:42

dirk2686 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 16:25 How many different people have 'dominated' the heavyweight division? Since Lewis you could realistically say there have only been two 'dominant' champions, and both have the same surname. Even then Vitali is missing a lot of big fights.

People used to talk about a weight difference but Wilder is under 220.

Height and reach are probably more significant factors in the heavyweight division than weight is.

Lennox Lewis, Klitschkos and Anthony Joshua are all taller than 6 foot 4 inches in height and have dominated / are dominating the heavyweight division. Why hasn't there been a heavyweight shorter than 6 foot 4 inches that dominated the heavyweight division during those periods? Perhaps we have to accept the fact that shorter heavyweights are like little rodents / insects. They are totally irrelevant and should be disqualified from ever being able to compete in the heavyweight division because they simply have no chance at ever dominating. And trust me, I guarantee you in the next 50 years, there'll come 0 dominant number 1 heavyweight world champion shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in height. It's simply impossible! Alexander Povetkin and David Haye are the peak / limitations of how good a short heavyweight can ever be. They simply won't ever be any better in the future!

I found that rather interesting (until you brought up Haye). The pendulum may shift to smaller quick handed boxer punchers at some time...you never know. You really think a Mike Tyson is too small for these guys?

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:48

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:45

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:42

Height and reach are probably more significant factors in the heavyweight division than weight is.

Lennox Lewis, Klitschkos and Anthony Joshua are all taller than 6 foot 4 inches in height and have dominated / are dominating the heavyweight division. Why hasn't there been a heavyweight shorter than 6 foot 4 inches that dominated the heavyweight division during those periods? Perhaps we have to accept the fact that shorter heavyweights are like little rodents / insects. They are totally irrelevant and should be disqualified from ever being able to compete in the heavyweight division because they simply have no chance at ever dominating. And trust me, I guarantee you in the next 50 years, there'll come 0 dominant number 1 heavyweight world champion shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in height. It's simply impossible! Alexander Povetkin and David Haye are the peak / limitations of how good a short heavyweight can ever be. They simply won't ever be any better in the future!

I found that rather interesting (until you brought up Haye). The pendulum may shift to smaller quick handed boxer punchers at some time...you never know. You really think a Mike Tyson is too small for these guys?

Well, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin have been the best 'short' and 'small' sized heavyweights of the last decade. And I don't think it's possible to be humanly better than them at that size and height.

Yes, Mike Tyson is far too small for athletic and / or skilled super heavyweights like Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. Mike Tyson failed badly against Lennox Lewis (the only athletic + skilled super heavyweight he faced). He would fail just as badly, if not worse against the current top super heavyweights.

Heretic wrote: ↑28 Feb 2018, 03:46

Sklar wrote: ↑28 Feb 2018, 02:45 Chris Byrd made Vitali quit.

Vitalis shoulder made Vitali quit...

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:51

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:48

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:45

I found that rather interesting (until you brought up Haye). The pendulum may shift to smaller quick handed boxer punchers at some time...you never know. You really think a Mike Tyson is too small for these guys?

Well, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin have been the best 'short' and 'small' sized heavyweights of the last decade. And I don't think it's possible to be humanly better than them at that size and height.

Yes, Mike Tyson is far too small for athletic and / or skilled super heavyweights like Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. Mike Tyson failed badly against Lennox Lewis (the only athletic + skilled super heavyweight he faced). He would fail just as badly, if not worse against the current top super heavyweights.

Just a matter of point. I'm a HUGE LL fan, and I loved the way he beat up Tyson, but...Tyson was well past his prime. Not saying who would win if both were in there prime, but Iron Mike was ridiculous for a few years there. Also, I don't remember your 10 year caveat, as I was going to mention Holyfield.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:33

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:51

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:48

Well, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin have been the best 'short' and 'small' sized heavyweights of the last decade. And I don't think it's possible to be humanly better than them at that size and height.

Yes, Mike Tyson is far too small for athletic and / or skilled super heavyweights like Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. Mike Tyson failed badly against Lennox Lewis (the only athletic + skilled super heavyweight he faced). He would fail just as badly, if not worse against the current top super heavyweights.

Just a matter of point. I'm a HUGE LL fan, and I loved the way he beat up Tyson, but...Tyson was well past his prime. Not saying who would win if both were in there prime, but Iron Mike was ridiculous for a few years there. Also, I don't remember your 10 year caveat, as I was going to mention Holyfield.

Mike Tyson could NEVER EVER beat Lennox Lewis in peak condition. He probably doesn't even possess a puncher's chance. It's like pitting a rodent against an elephant / rhino. A total mismatch! Mike Tyson probably doesn't even belong in the same weight division / ring with the top super heavyweights like Lennox Lewis, Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. These are mismatches that should never happen and be condemned.

I also think Alexander Povetkin (for all his skills) would be in a similar position against Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury. These seem like disgusting mismatches. If small / short heavyweights are disqualified altogether. Then there won't be much time waste with super heavyweights taking on those small heavyweights (which very few people would even want to see in the fist place). Instead, we would only see super heavyweights facing other super heavyweights (like Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua or Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis) which are fights most fans would actually pay and want to see. Small and short heavyweights take up space and time from big fights happening between REAL SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:38

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:33

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:51

Just a matter of point. I'm a HUGE LL fan, and I loved the way he beat up Tyson, but...Tyson was well past his prime. Not saying who would win if both were in there prime, but Iron Mike was ridiculous for a few years there. Also, I don't remember your 10 year caveat, as I was going to mention Holyfield.

Mike Tyson could NEVER EVER beat Lennox Lewis in peak condition. He probably doesn't even possess a puncher's chance. It's like pitting a rodent against an elephant / rhino. A total mismatch! Mike Tyson probably doesn't even belong in the same weight division / ring with the top super heavyweights like Lennox Lewis, Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. These are mismatches that should never happen and be condemned.

I also think Alexander Povetkin (for all his skills) would be in a similar position against Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury. These seem like disgusting mismatches. If small / short heavyweights are disqualified altogether. Then there won't be much time waste with super heavyweights taking on those small heavyweights (which very few people would even want to see in the fist place). Instead, we would only see super heavyweights facing other super heavyweights (like Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua or Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis) which are fights most fans would actually pay and want to see. Small and short heavyweights take up space and time from big fights happening between REAL SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS

Once someone says never/ever...I'm done...thank you.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:41

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:38

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:33

Mike Tyson could NEVER EVER beat Lennox Lewis in peak condition. He probably doesn't even possess a puncher's chance. It's like pitting a rodent against an elephant / rhino. A total mismatch! Mike Tyson probably doesn't even belong in the same weight division / ring with the top super heavyweights like Lennox Lewis, Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. These are mismatches that should never happen and be condemned.

I also think Alexander Povetkin (for all his skills) would be in a similar position against Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury. These seem like disgusting mismatches. If small / short heavyweights are disqualified altogether. Then there won't be much time waste with super heavyweights taking on those small heavyweights (which very few people would even want to see in the fist place). Instead, we would only see super heavyweights facing other super heavyweights (like Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua or Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis) which are fights most fans would actually pay and want to see. Small and short heavyweights take up space and time from big fights happening between REAL SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS

Once someone says never/ever...I'm done...thank you.

Can Manny Pacquiao EVER beat a healthy, peak Lennox Lewis? Think about it deeply my friend! The time for small heavyweights like Mike Tyson is over. They will become extinct very soon.

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:44

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:41

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:38

Once someone says never/ever...I'm done...thank you.

Can Manny Pacquiao EVER beat a healthy, peak Lennox Lewis? Think about it deeply my friend! The time for small heavyweights like Mike Tyson is over. They will become extinct very soon.

Seriously, your statement on size is probably true and due to evolution. Just had some issues with your supporting statements. But one never knows.

Sklar wrote: ↑28 Feb 2018, 02:45 Chris Byrd made Vitali quit.

Lamont Brewster owned Wladimir.

Haseem Rahman destroyed Lennox.

Anthony Joshua was savaged by Mihai Nistor.

Tyson Fury was out on his feet against blown-up middleweight Steve USSSS Cunningham.

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:51

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:44

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:41

Can Manny Pacquiao EVER beat a healthy, peak Lennox Lewis? Think about it deeply my friend! The time for small heavyweights like Mike Tyson is over. They will become extinct very soon.

Seriously, your statement on size is probably true and due to evolution. Just had some issues with your supporting statements. But one never knows.

I was just thinking about past eras and thought it was interesting to note that when Liston destroyed Patterson (2x) people said we'll never see an undersized (Marciano, Patterson, etc) champ again. We heard the same thing when Foreman crushed Frazier. Now I'm kind of curious to see the future...you made me think and now my head hurts. Thanks for sticking to the thread!