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Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 09:44
by ironbeard
martinmrts wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:36
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:27
guysecretan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:22
It wasn't a robbery because he got knocked down twice. All this showed is how poor Wilder is. On that performance I think Dillian Whyte could beat him or Joe Joyce or Daniel Dubois. Fury still put on the kind of same boring performance with no real powerful or troubling shots just lots of twitching and feints. It maybe the 'art of boxing' but if he wants to win convincingly he needs at least one knock down.
so what that Fury was down twice? you still needed to award Wilder 5 out of 12 rounds to make it a draw.
3 actually, assuming 10-8 for the knockdown rounds. Not inconceivable
In order for this fight to have been scored a draw (assuming no rounds scored even) Wilder had to win 5 rounds ( 3 by 10-9 and two by 10-8).
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 09:46
by martinmrts
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:39
martinmrts wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:36
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:27
so what that Fury was down twice? you still needed to award Wilder 5 out of 12 rounds to make it a draw.
3 actually, assuming 10-8 for the knockdown rounds. Not inconceivable
but in total 5 rounds. he won 9 and 12 (the knockdown rounds) and except of that what rounds you awarded him?
Well I think all 3 judges gave Wilder the first. Nothing really happened for the first few rounds - could have been given either way depending on your view of Tyson's showboating. I think he was unlucky perhaps, but not robbed
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 09:49
by ironbeard
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:40
pound per pound wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:39
Fury won the fight.
Notice how people who think Fury won are not shy about posting their round by round score cards, but those who say it was a draw or Wilder won do that that?
Need I say more?
good point, i have seen no scorecard from them so far even if i have already asked for that multiple times.
I scored it realtime on the round by round.
Wilder does not have a deranged army of jockmites. I thought Wilder would stop him but I wanted Fury to do well. Fury did well, in defeat. He did well, to finish the fight.
Wilder was a victim of the judges last night, not Fury. But, I am happy for both of them.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 09:52
by caldo2025
That was the most appropriate decision in a big fight perhaps ever. Do people realize how hard it is to win a fight after being knocked down in 2 different rounds? Those people need to sit down and do the math on that. Especially in a fight where nothing happened in most of the rounds and you could have flipped a coin to determine the winner.
The ROBBED word can only be used in GGG's fights with Canelo. That's robbed. When someone gets knocked on his ass twice and walks out without losing then that's not robbed, that's fortunate. But I think it was the correct call and a very appropriate and responsible decision.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 11:39
by tiny_acres
caldo2025 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:52
That was the most appropriate decision in a big fight perhaps ever. Do people realize how hard it is to win a fight after being knocked down in 2 different rounds? Those people need to sit down and do the math on that. Especially in a fight where nothing happened in most of the rounds and you could have flipped a coin to determine the winner.
The ROBBED word can only be used in GGG's fights with Canelo. That's robbed. When someone gets knocked on his ass twice and walks out without losing then that's not robbed, that's fortunate. But I think it was the correct call and a very appropriate and responsible decision.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 11:41
by JCS
Didn't score it round-by-round... but even so, the card for Wilder seemed borderline criminal.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 12:12
by Wessberg1977
Just watched the fight for a second time. I did not see Tyson Fury getting robbed, or dominating a very even fight. Scored it round by round and got it 113-113 or 7-5 in rounds for Fury, and the two knockdowns made it a draw.
Wilder-Fury
9-10 (close round)
10-9 (close round)
9-10
9-10
10-9
10-9 (close round)
9-10
9-10
10-8
9-10
9-10 (close round)
10-8
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:33
by guysecretan
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:27
guysecretan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:22
It wasn't a robbery because he got knocked down twice. All this showed is how poor Wilder is. On that performance I think Dillian Whyte could beat him or Joe Joyce or Daniel Dubois. Fury still put on the kind of same boring performance with no real powerful or troubling shots just lots of twitching and feints. It maybe the 'art of boxing' but if he wants to win convincingly he needs at least one knock down.
so what that Fury was down twice? you still needed to award Wilder 5 out of 12 rounds to make it a draw.
No three rounds he lost both the rounds he got knocked down in obviously and I think lost another three. His punches weren't as powerful as Wilder he was also running and evading and not controlling the ring which is considered.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:53
by G.McClellan
caldo2025 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:52
That was the most appropriate decision in a big fight perhaps ever. Do people realize how hard it is to win a fight after being knocked down in 2 different rounds? Those people need to sit down and do the math on that. Especially in a fight where nothing happened in most of the rounds and you could have flipped a coin to determine the winner.
The ROBBED word can only be used in GGG's fights with Canelo. That's robbed. When someone gets knocked on his ass twice and walks out without losing then that's not robbed, that's fortunate. But I think it was the correct call and a very appropriate and responsible decision.
I said much the same after the fight.
My posts went missing from these boards (if it ever made it through the servers).
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 16:01
by guysecretan
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 16:12
by ewenhay
A draw was a fair enough result in the end. Both guys did well but not really enough to conclusively win. I thought it was an intense and interesting fight without being spectacular but there was a lot at stake.
Can't believe some are resorting to taking out their stopwatches. How mean spirited can you get.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 17:12
by guysecretan
Does anyone give credence to the idea that it was a draw to benefit the bookmakers when you consider most people don't bet on a draw and the mob controls gambling in the US.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 17:39
by ewenhay
Not really.
You'd have to rely on too many people including both fighters and all 3 judges to engineer a draw in boxing.
Easier to pay one fighter to lie down.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 17:49
by Ruthless-RKO
blakey9 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 06:35
The Mexican judge was clearly paid off, but what about the British judge? It’s hard to find a case for 113-113, unless you are trying to find a way to favour Wilder. The referee did a great job in the 12th round though, he could have waved it off if he was in on a fix.
Fix or no fix. 99% of refs today wouldn’t have bothered counting and would have waved it off.
Well done Jack.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 18:12
by Duran1970
guysecretan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 17:12
Does anyone give credence to the idea that it was a draw to benefit the bookmakers when you consider most people don't bet on a draw and the mob controls gambling in the US.
Yes.....
This argument can't be discounted...
Books were to lose big if Fury won...
Vegas always wins..
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 18:16
by ewenhay
Bollocks, this fight wasn't fixed to be a draw. And neither was it a fixed count.
Enough with the conspiracies
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 18:26
by Duran1970
I'm just saying if you don't think Vegas and the books have some influence in boxing verdicts then you haven't been paying enough attention for the last,oh I don't not know, 70 years?
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 19:01
by Onetimeonly
Boxing is irrelevant to Vegas books for the most part.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 23:10
by Duran1970
Action in Vegas for Mayweather/pacman was 80mil...just short of a 100 mill for Mayweather/MacGregor....
Irrelevant?
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 23:55
by Onetimeonly
Duran1970 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 23:10
Action in Vegas for Mayweather/pacman was 80mil...just short of a 100 mill for Mayweather/MacGregor....
Irrelevant?
"For the most part". Floyd fights transcend the sport.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 00:07
by Ricky
caldo2025 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:52
That was the most appropriate decision in a big fight perhaps ever. Do people realize how hard it is to win a fight after being knocked down in 2 different rounds? Those people need to sit down and do the math on that.
Indeed, without the knockdowns i probably have they rounds as 10-9 Fury. But both are 10-8 Wilder.
That's a 6 point swing, so 116-112 Fury becomes 114-112 Wilder (on my card).
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 09:52
by caldo2025
RKY wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 00:07
caldo2025 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:52
That was the most appropriate decision in a big fight perhaps ever. Do people realize how hard it is to win a fight after being knocked down in 2 different rounds? Those people need to sit down and do the math on that.
Indeed, without the knockdowns i probably have they rounds as 10-9 Fury. But both are 10-8 Wilder.
That's a 6 point swing, so 116-112 Fury becomes 114-112 Wilder (on my card).
One of the two knockdown rounds I’d agree with you. In fact, I need to watch it again but I thought that Fury did enough after the first KD to earn a 9-10 round but judges are too chicken shiit to score a round anything but a 10-8 round when a KD occurs.
I had asked the question prior to hearing the decision but has there ever been a big title fight in which a decision was given to a guy who had lost 2 rounds 10-8 and never knocked down the other fighter? Has he even ever earned a draw even?
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 09:56
by caldo2025
Btw, credit to Jack Ries for giving Fury the count on that last knockdown instead of wavingvit off like most refs do. Most refs would have waived it off and what a big difference that would have been. To me, Fury was no way getting up and I would have been dead wrong
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:12
by dagilechia
There should never be an immediate waving off - fighters always should be counted even when it's obvious that they are not going to get up
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:12
by ewenhay
dagilechia wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:12
There should never be an immediate waving off - fighters always should be counted even when it's obvious that they are not going to get up
Unless it's obvious they need immediate medical attention surely?
