Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder

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Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder

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DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:16
gilgamesh wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:15
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:14

Fury was more effective through the fight. That's a one of definitions of dominance, I'd say.
He was in 6 rounds. I agree. Unfortunately it takes at least 8 to win a fight when you've been dropped twice.
He won 9 on my cards.
Then your card fvcking sucks. Anyone who gave Fury round 5 wasn't watching it or is just making shît up after-the-fact.
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RKY wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 05:43
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:16
gilgamesh wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:15

He was in 6 rounds. I agree. Unfortunately it takes at least 8 to win a fight when you've been dropped twice.
He won 9 on my cards.
Then your card fvcking sucks. Anyone who gave Fury round 5 wasn't watching it or is just making shît up after-the-fact.
even judges (including this Mexican Stevie Wonder) gave round 5 to Fury. i scored it for Fury too
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Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder

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getnada wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 05:46 These judges proof what's wrong with boxing.
The WBC is as corrupt as it gets, I've seen the little brother getting outboxed by a big loser and receive a full 45-40 win, despite he lost most of the rounds and even the so called knock down was more like a push. When I saw that I already predicted Tyson Fury was in big trouble if he couldn't KO. Knock downs or not, one of the refs had Wilder winning no matter what, with multiple rounds even, even without the knock downs. That's just sad, just about any independent person would agree with that. On top of this I saw a Russian allmost getting robbed against an old men, untill he finally won with a KO. It's just silly, the WBC guy even walked into the ring in the 10th round or so, to protect Wilder, what the hell is that?!

Despite beïng a lot better then Wilder has ever been, I think Fury is a lot worse right now then he was against Klitschko, in fact, I wouldn't even be surprised if the current inactive Klitschko would have won against both of them last night. If you genuinly consider this fight to be a draw, then DW should receive the belt by now, he's the mandatory for a long long time now and simply get's ignored by Wilder because Wilder knows he would lose badly. DW got a better chin then Fury got.

Ortiz also showed why he doesn't belong in the top 10 any more, Povetkin or Whyte would have knocked him out clearly, no wonder Ortiz ducked them. I think even Chisora got at least a very very fair chance of knocking him out.

I hope Sulaiman comes to his senses together with his team and shifts the belt to the location it belongs and that's either AJ because he defeated Povetkin, or Dillian Whyte because Wilder ducks him for obvious reasons. Even most Americans feel ashamed of the corruption in boxing right now.

I genuinly consider several posters on this forum as trolls when they claim Wilder should have won this fight.

Also, I can't ever take any American serious any more when they claim Russians are cheating, I can show so many fights by now that proof it's only the WBC and the Americans out there who do. Kovalev, GGG, Fury, Gvozdyk, they all receive corrupt refs whenever fighting Americans. It's repetitive scandalous cheating time over time over time again and again and again and again and even some Americans even shamelessly defend that kind of behaviour.
Gvozdyk is Ukrainian, but yes I agree with your post and yeah WBC is corrupt.
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Even Hearn scored it for Fury
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HeavyHitters wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:39
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:14
gilgamesh wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:13

You and I have a different definition of Dominated.

I understand Domination as thoroughly shutting a guy down, and not giving him a moment of control.

Not throwing your hands in the air, throwing your hands behind your back, sticking your tongue out, and generally being a jackass.

He did well in the latter half of the fight, but he started too late to deserve the win IMO.
Fury was more effective through the fight. That's a one of definitions of dominance, I'd say.
You can't be considered "dominant", when you end up lying on your back two times during the fight. It's like saying a pitcher actually threw a no-hitter, if it wasn't for those hits that he gave up in the third seventh and ninth inning. Ha ha
Aside from the two knockdowns, Fury was in complete control. So for approximately 45-60 seconds of a 36 minute bout, Wilder had it.
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The Mexican judge was clearly paid off, but what about the British judge? It’s hard to find a case for 113-113, unless you are trying to find a way to favour Wilder. The referee did a great job in the 12th round though, he could have waved it off if he was in on a fix.
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HAHAHA LOL AT THE PUNCH STATS:

Wilder - Fury (landed/thrown):

71/430 - 84/327 - so, according to this Wilder threw 103 punches MORE and Fury landed ONLY 13 punches more.

jabs: 40/248 - 46/223 - according to this, Fury threw 25 jabs LESS and landed ONLY 6 jabs more.

power punches: 31/182 - 38/104 - according to this, Wilder statistically threw like 6-7 power punches MORE EVERY ROUND than Fury.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:09
gilgamesh wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:06 Draw was fair. A narrow margin victory either way would've been reasonable too. No robbery here. Nobody dominated.
Nobody did much of anything past both of them showing an epic will to win in the last round.
Not like the good ol' days when Holyfield was going life and death with every opponent, eh?
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If there was a fix it was to help Fury reach the final bell so there could be a rematch.
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marvelous marv wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 08:39 If there was a fix it was to help Fury reach the final bell so there could be a rematch.
Fury was on his feet and able to continue in less than 10 seconds.
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Very slow count, made him walk back and forth for an additional 20 seconds before letting the fight continue.
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Massive respect to Fury for getting up from that.
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marvelous marv wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 08:51 Very slow count, made him walk back and forth for an additional 20 seconds before letting the fight continue.

It was close. Fury is still down at 9 seconds, he probably just makes it up at 10. The ref buys him 10 seconds to check he's ok.

Wilder can't complain though, he got a similar luxury vs Ortiz.
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Fury was already on his feet after 9-10 seconds, he started to get up at 6.
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Massive respect to Fury all round. I said it would be a mismatch. I was wrong.

I haven't yet seen the fight so I can't comment about the decision, but credit to both fighters in fact for each coming through against a top level opponent.
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candyslim wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:05 Massive respect to Fury all round. I said it would be a mismatch. I was wrong.

I haven't yet seen the fight so I can't comment about the decision, but credit to both fighters in fact for each coming through against a top level opponent.
First person who has been gracious.

Both fighters did well, I thought on balance a draw wasn't unreasonable. Fury looked the better man in the exchanges but Wilders power has to be respected.

Would be nice if they did it again next summer at Old Trafford or Wembley.
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He still got knocked down twice also he didn't throw any powerful shots that really troubled Wilder. What this showed was that AJ is very very likely to beat Wilder.
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Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder

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Mexi-Box wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:32
skanksta wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:30 It's the Mexican judge who's out of line.
Wilder winning the first 4 :witzend:
That's hard to understand.
Out of the first 4, the only one he won was a close round. :lol:

I can't believe there are guys on here saying Wilder won too. That's the toughest part. I'm on a better forum with better posters, and I've not seen anyone that thinks Wilder won that fight.
where is this wonderland of which you speak ?
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It wasn't a robbery because he got knocked down twice. All this showed is how poor Wilder is. On that performance I think Dillian Whyte could beat him or Joe Joyce or Daniel Dubois. Fury still put on the kind of same boring performance with no real powerful or troubling shots just lots of twitching and feints. It maybe the 'art of boxing' but if he wants to win convincingly he needs at least one knock down.
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adislav123 wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:46
HeavyHitters wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:39
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:14

Fury was more effective through the fight. That's a one of definitions of dominance, I'd say.
You can't be considered "dominant", when you end up lying on your back two times during the fight. It's like saying a pitcher actually threw a no-hitter, if it wasn't for those hits that he gave up in the third seventh and ninth inning. Ha ha
if you dominate the whole fight, win every round except the one were you got caught and got right back up, then you were dominating the whole fight and won every round just got caught 2 times THAT MEANS YOU DOMINATED THE FIGHT. the poo you babble about ballsports has poo to do with boxing
Fury “dominated” zero rounds.
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guysecretan wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:22 It wasn't a robbery because he got knocked down twice. All this showed is how poor Wilder is. On that performance I think Dillian Whyte could beat him or Joe Joyce or Daniel Dubois. Fury still put on the kind of same boring performance with no real powerful or troubling shots just lots of twitching and feints. It maybe the 'art of boxing' but if he wants to win convincingly he needs at least one knock down.
so what that Fury was down twice? you still needed to award Wilder 5 out of 12 rounds to make it a draw.
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dagilechia wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:27
guysecretan wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:22 It wasn't a robbery because he got knocked down twice. All this showed is how poor Wilder is. On that performance I think Dillian Whyte could beat him or Joe Joyce or Daniel Dubois. Fury still put on the kind of same boring performance with no real powerful or troubling shots just lots of twitching and feints. It maybe the 'art of boxing' but if he wants to win convincingly he needs at least one knock down.
so what that Fury was down twice? you still needed to award Wilder 5 out of 12 rounds to make it a draw.
3 actually, assuming 10-8 for the knockdown rounds. Not inconceivable
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Fury won the fight.

Notice how people who think Fury won are not shy about posting their round by round score cards, but those who say it was a draw or Wilder won do not post their round by round score cards.

Need I say more?
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Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder

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martinmrts wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:36
dagilechia wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:27
guysecretan wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:22 It wasn't a robbery because he got knocked down twice. All this showed is how poor Wilder is. On that performance I think Dillian Whyte could beat him or Joe Joyce or Daniel Dubois. Fury still put on the kind of same boring performance with no real powerful or troubling shots just lots of twitching and feints. It maybe the 'art of boxing' but if he wants to win convincingly he needs at least one knock down.
so what that Fury was down twice? you still needed to award Wilder 5 out of 12 rounds to make it a draw.
3 actually, assuming 10-8 for the knockdown rounds. Not inconceivable
but in total 5 rounds. he won 9 and 12 (the knockdown rounds) and except of that what rounds you awarded him?
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pound per pound wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 09:39 Fury won the fight.

Notice how people who think Fury won are not shy about posting their round by round score cards, but those who say it was a draw or Wilder won do that that?

Need I say more?
good point, i have seen no scorecard from them so far even if i have already asked for that multiple times.
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