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SenorPipino wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 10:59 Marciano was the hardest hitting man on earth.

He would have swallowed and regurgitated cruiserweights.

As always, too much silly obsession with weight by modern fans. Talent, toughness. That's what counts.

There's much truth in that, no doubt but as hard, as tough, as brave, as relentless as the Rock was, there's no way he beats Frazier or Tyson prime for prime. Size matters too there's no getting away from it.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 10:18

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jan 2019, 16:24 This could be a little bit strange, but I have not any dilemma - Teofilo Stevenson.
What about you ?
Fidel Castro had changed the history of boxing, forbiding Cubans to compete at pro-boxing. Sad, really sad !

Teofilo Stevenson always wanted to fight M. Ali but the Cuban government would not allow it. He was convinced that he could beat Ali. Stevenson fought the Russian heavy Igor Vysotsky twice. Vysotsky beat him both times. This is why the so called world champions in the US and UK before the 1990's were really only US-UK champions, not world champions. They never fought any eastern Europeans or Russians or Cubans. Cubans are still not allowed to turn pro, but there are many Cuban ex pats now.

The best heavy I ever saw was Vitali Klitschko. Rocky Marciano #2.

I know that Stevenson had been defeated by Vysotsky twice, but, honestly I have never watched Vysotsky (I have read that injuries had destroyed his career). Stevenson has been something like semi-god for me, he had everything, literally everything - height, reach, power, chin, heart. It is very difficult to compare, but (regarding Cuban HWs) I think he had been a level above Solis, and two levels above Ortiz.

ValMar wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 15:59

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 10:18

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jan 2019, 16:24 This could be a little bit strange, but I have not any dilemma - Teofilo Stevenson.
What about you ?
Fidel Castro had changed the history of boxing, forbiding Cubans to compete at pro-boxing. Sad, really sad !

Teofilo Stevenson always wanted to fight M. Ali but the Cuban government would not allow it. He was convinced that he could beat Ali. Stevenson fought the Russian heavy Igor Vysotsky twice. Vysotsky beat him both times. This is why the so called world champions in the US and UK before the 1990's were really only US-UK champions, not world champions. They never fought any eastern Europeans or Russians or Cubans. Cubans are still not allowed to turn pro, but there are many Cuban ex pats now.

The best heavy I ever saw was Vitali Klitschko. Rocky Marciano #2.

I know that Stevenson had been defeated by Vysotsky twice, but, honestly I have never watched Vysotsky (I have read that injuries had destroyed his career). Stevenson has been something like semi-god for me, he had everything, literally everything - height, reach, power, chin, heart. It is very difficult to compare, but (regarding Cuban HWs) I think he had been a level above Solis, and two levels above Ortiz.

Hello, brother! There are brief shots of Vysotsky vs Stevenson on youtube... but i found something sensational i never knew about! Vysotsky fought M. Ali for a few rounds - and totally dominated him! See my new Igor Vysotsky thread on the boxing history board.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 23:19

ValMar wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 15:59

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 10:18

ValMar wrote: ↑28 Jan 2019, 16:24 This could be a little bit strange, but I have not any dilemma - Teofilo Stevenson.
What about you ?
Fidel Castro had changed the history of boxing, forbiding Cubans to compete at pro-boxing. Sad, really sad !

Teofilo Stevenson always wanted to fight M. Ali but the Cuban government would not allow it. He was convinced that he could beat Ali. Stevenson fought the Russian heavy Igor Vysotsky twice. Vysotsky beat him both times. This is why the so called world champions in the US and UK before the 1990's were really only US-UK champions, not world champions. They never fought any eastern Europeans or Russians or Cubans. Cubans are still not allowed to turn pro, but there are many Cuban ex pats now.

The best heavy I ever saw was Vitali Klitschko. Rocky Marciano #2.

I know that Stevenson had been defeated by Vysotsky twice, but, honestly I have never watched Vysotsky (I have read that injuries had destroyed his career). Stevenson has been something like semi-god for me, he had everything, literally everything - height, reach, power, chin, heart. It is very difficult to compare, but (regarding Cuban HWs) I think he had been a level above Solis, and two levels above Ortiz.

Hello, brother! There are brief shots of Vysotsky vs Stevenson on youtube... but i found something sensational i never knew about! Vysotsky fought M. Ali for a few rounds - and totally dominated him! See my new Igor Vysotsky thread on the boxing history board.

Well, not "LIVE" but on TV live.

Best heavyweight amateur: Felix Savon

Best heavyweight ( in my era ): Mike Tyson, in his prime.

Best one fight performance heavyweight: Buster Douglas vs. Mike Tyson

Best unfulfilled potential heavyweight ( could have been the best ): Ike Ibeabuchi

Best heavyweight jab: Larry Holmes

Best awkward to fight heavyweight: Vitali Klitschko

Best heavyweight chin: Oliver McCall ( maybe Ray Mercer ties him )

Best left hook: Tommy Morrison

Best left hook uppercut: Razor Ruddock

Best career comeback as heavyweight: George Foreman

Best heavyweight with most heart: Evander Holyfield

Seek help immediately.

Duran1970 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 10:27 Seek help immediately.

I'm afraid it's far far too late for him. His madness is terminal.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 10:30

Duran1970 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 10:27 Seek help immediately.

I'm afraid it's far far too late for him. His madness is terminal.

I can't tell if he is so outrageous as a joke or a mental condition.

I like the fact he says he whatever TF he likes and doesn't give a hoot whether we all think he's been smoking the strong stuff or not. It's kind of refreshing.

It'd be boring if we were all harnessed to reality wouldn't it?

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 10:45

SenorPipino wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 10:30

Duran1970 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 10:27 Seek help immediately.

I'm afraid it's far far too late for him. His madness is terminal.

I can't tell if he is so outrageous as a joke or a mental condition.

...........I suppose he was kidding..............

candyslim wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 10:58 I like the fact he says he whatever TF he likes and doesn't give a hoot whether we all think he's been smoking the strong stuff or not. It's kind of refreshing.

It'd be boring if we were all harnessed to reality wouldn't it?

Reality is overrated. Besides...

All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream...

---the Great Edgar Allen Poe

You could make a case for that, certainly. Reality can be confusing - remind me: Am I an independent entity or one of your allegedly abundant alter-egos?

candyslim wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 11:14 You could make a case for that, certainly. Reality can be confusing - remind me: Am I an independent entity or one of your allegedly abundant alter-egos?

I seem to vaguely remember you from someplace. You must be one of my half forgotten alter egos. There are so many I can't keep track.

Native Australians believe that what we think is real is just a dream. At least that's what it said in the movie "The Third Wave".

So their country has been overrun by pale figments of their imagination - got it

candyslim wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 11:28 So their country has been overrun by pale figments of their imagination - got it

Overrun by water. I meant to say "The Last Wave", 1977, by the great movie director, Peter Weir.

Poe was a certified loon too.

So quoting his philosophy of reality hardly strengthens your cause.

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 12:22

getnada wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 12:17 Anthony Joshua, by quite a significant margine in fact, all those super heavyweight olympic champions he KOed so early in his carreer already. All those beltholders and previous beltholders that don't even feel ashamed any more to duck him because he's that good. We have never witnissed anything like him in the history of the sport.

Are you serious ?

I can't believe that either.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 14:05

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 12:22

getnada wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 12:17 Anthony Joshua, by quite a significant margine in fact, all those super heavyweight olympic champions he KOed so early in his carreer already. All those beltholders and previous beltholders that don't even feel ashamed any more to duck him because he's that good. We have never witnissed anything like him in the history of the sport.

Are you serious ?

I can't believe that either.

Almost Kalan-esque.

getnada wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 12:17 Anthony Joshua, by quite a significant margine in fact, all those super heavyweight olympic champions he KOed so early in his carreer already. All those beltholders and previous beltholders that don't even feel ashamed any more to duck him because he's that good. We have never witnissed anything like him in the history of the sport.

Ask for info... getnada

Heretic wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 04:08

getnada wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 12:17 Anthony Joshua, by quite a significant margine in fact, all those super heavyweight olympic champions he KOed so early in his carreer already. All those beltholders and previous beltholders that don't even feel ashamed any more to duck him because he's that good. We have never witnissed anything like him in the history of the sport.

Ask for info... getnada

Heretic wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 04:08

getnada wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 12:17 Anthony Joshua, by quite a significant margine in fact, all those super heavyweight olympic champions he KOed so early in his carreer already. All those beltholders and previous beltholders that don't even feel ashamed any more to duck him because he's that good. We have never witnissed anything like him in the history of the sport.

Ask for info... getnada

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tiny_acres wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 13:15

Heretic wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 04:08

getnada wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 12:17 Anthony Joshua, by quite a significant margine in fact, all those super heavyweight olympic champions he KOed so early in his carreer already. All those beltholders and previous beltholders that don't even feel ashamed any more to duck him because he's that good. We have never witnissed anything like him in the history of the sport.

Ask for info... getnada

Love it

Brilliant!

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 17:23

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 17:19

paddy chavez wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 16:38

I love Louis but even forgetting about size his slow footed style is terrible against either Klitschko he'd be destroyed by either brother
. If he was fleet footed maybe but he held his feet and fired off against guys 50 pounds heavier and good that's crazy.

Best combo puncher ever. He gave up 50 pounds in his day.

100%. Maybe the best pure punching technique in HW history. Lots of weapons and decent chin. Abe Simon; Buddy Baer to name a couple of big guys wrecked by the Brown Bomber. When he hit a guy, you can see the entire body take the shock wave.

And I know your crazy idiot he never would on either and no his tech wasn't the best cause he was outdated

I've seen nothing like Ali in 66/7 but sadly that was before my time.

He was so otherworldly good and ahead of his time that the contemporary opinion seemed to be that he was little more than a hype job.

Even the Beatles thought Liston would beat him and Sonny also got a place on the 1967 Sgt Pepper cover ahead of Ali who they actually met down in Miami?!

In my time, it has to be Mike Tyson. He was that fast and powerful that I actually started wondering whether he could have beaten a peak Ali.

Foreman and Vitali Klitschko were phenomenal too, just not as quick.

Roy Jones