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conan_the_cribber wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 05:16 Hi Dagilechia,

again thanks for doing this with the enthusiasm you do it. Do you think that there's any chance that you can tag on an unordered "candidates list' at the bottom of the list. Just to keep track of prospects and make sure names like Michael Hunter don't get lost next time that someone drops of the list or has a fight that we should've recognised. Perhaps some of the people that got votes on the initial list, but didn't make it to the top 15.

Cheers

conan

Hi, it's nice to know that some people appreciate my work on this ranking I will think about this idea, i have previously thought about something similar because some people suggested that some fights between fighters that are outside the top 15 should be voted as well, but then i didn't wanted to make the rankings too complicated. give me some time.

conan_the_cribber wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 05:16 Hi Dagilechia,

again thanks for doing this with the enthusiasm you do it. Do you think that there's any chance that you can tag on an unordered "candidates list' at the bottom of the list. Just to keep track of prospects and make sure names like Michael Hunter don't get lost next time that someone drops of the list or has a fight that we should've recognised. Perhaps some of the people that got votes on the initial list, but didn't make it to the top 15.

Cheers

conan

VERSION A:

Current ranking:

1. Tyson Fury - 27(19) 0 1 - next fight: 15.06.2019 vs Tom Schwarz - 24(16) 0 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #56)

2. Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

3. Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - (#11)

6. Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Kubrat Pulev - 27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 25(19) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Adam Kownacki - 19(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - (#5)

12. Filip Hrgović - 8(6) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Dereck Chisora - 30(21) 9(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Agit Kabayel - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

Worth of mention unranked fighters (alphabetical order):

Michael Hunter
Bryant Jennings
Joe Joyce
Jarrell Miller
Oleksandr Usyk

Voting on those fighters can start after their fight but only on request.

VERSION B:

Current ranking:

1. Tyson Fury - 27(19) 0 1 - next fight: 15.06.2019 vs Tom Schwarz - 24(16) 0 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #56)

2. Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

3. Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - (#11)

6. Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Kubrat Pulev - 27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 25(19) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Adam Kownacki - 19(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - (#5)

12. Filip Hrgović - 8(6) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Dereck Chisora - 30(21) 9(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Agit Kabayel - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

''Voting on demand'' fights:

Bryant Jennings (BoxRec's #26) vs Joe Joyce (BoxRec's #28) - 13.07.2019
Nathan Gorman (BoxRec's #43) vs Daniel Dubois (BoxRec's #54) - 13.07.2019
Ali Eren Demirezen (BoxRec's #32) vs Efe Ajagba (BoxRec's #50) - 20.07.2019

i like version A more. Just keep it flexible.

yeah, it was just an example. btw, i think that we can mix both systems like this:

Łukasz Różański (BoxRec's #78) vs Izuagbe Ugonoh (inactive) - 06.07.2019
Bryant Jennings (BoxRec's #26) vs Joe Joyce (BoxRec's #28) - 13.07.2019
Nathan Gorman (BoxRec's #43) vs Daniel Dubois (BoxRec's #54) - 13.07.2019
Ali Eren Demirezen (BoxRec's #32) vs Efe Ajagba (BoxRec's #50) - 20.07.2019
Murat Gassiev (BoxRec's #3 at CW) vs Joey Dawejko (BoxRec's #57) - 27.07.2019
Michael Hunter vs TBA
Jarrell Miller vs TBA
Oleksandr Usyk vs TBA

dagilechia wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 12:30 yeah, it was just an example. btw, i think that we can mix both systems like this:

Bryant Jennings (BoxRec's #26) vs Joe Joyce (BoxRec's #28) - 13.07.2019
Nathan Gorman (BoxRec's #43) vs Daniel Dubois (BoxRec's #54) - 13.07.2019
Ali Eren Demirezen (BoxRec's #32) vs Efe Ajagba (BoxRec's #50) - 20.07.2019
Michael Hunter vs TBA
Jarrell Miller vs TBA
Oleksandr Usyk vs TBA

You're already doing a lot of work for us. Does this add too much to your plate?

oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 12:32 You're already doing a lot of work for us. Does this add too much to your plate?

it's not a problem, i actually enjoy doing that. during summer, since next week i will probably have less time but still enough to take care of this. the question is - is this extra thing to the rankings a good idea that people on here would like or does it makes the rankings too complicated and too busy? personally, i'd like to add it.

conan_the_cribber wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 12:24 i like version A more. Just keep it flexible.

btw, if you, or somebody else thinks that some fighter should get to the ''worth of mention'' list, you can just request it in any voting topic. my inductees are just an example, maybe i have forgot about some fighters/fights who should be there with no doubt.

dagilechia wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 12:39 it's not a problem, i actually enjoy doing that. during summer, since next week i will probably have less time but still enough to take care of this. the question is - is this extra thing to the rankings a good idea that people on here would like or does it makes the rankings too complicated and too busy? personally, i'd like to add it.

I think it shows the guys on the periphery which may invoke more thought into the rankings each fight vote, just by seeing the next tier. I would worry that after that you may end up with the top 40! LOL! (where does it stop).

oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 12:44 I think it shows the guys on the periphery which may invoke more thought into the rankings each fight vote, just by seeing the next tier. I would worry that after that you may end up with the top 40! LOL! (where does it stop).

i think so too.

don't worry, it will be as the TOP 15, there is no need to rank the guys below that place because it is very subjective - one can rank someone at 18, other has him at 36 etc.

but i like this idea because it will resolve the 'Breazeale's problem' - what i mean is that he's probably about to be inactive for a year or even more and he will in fact block the spot in the ranking. for example, i think that most of people would like to vote Joyce in if he defeats Jennings, i think it's reasonable to make it possible.

Current ranking:

1. Tyson Fury - 27(19) 0 1 - next fight: 15.06.2019 vs Tom Schwarz - 24(16) 0 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #56)

2. Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - next fight: 28.09.2019 vs Luiz Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - (#7)

3. Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - (#11)

6. Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 28.09.2019 vs Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - (#2)

8. Kubrat Pulev - 27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 25(19) 2(0) 0 - next fight: 29.06.2019 vs Eric Molina - 27(19) 5(5) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #33)

10. Adam Kownacki - 19(15) 0 0 - next fight: 03.08.2019 vs Chris Arreola - 38(33) 5(3) 1 - (unranked, BoxRec's #39)

11. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - (#5)

12. Filip Hrgović - 8(6) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Dereck Chisora - 30(21) 9(3) 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Artur Szpilka - 22(15) 3(3) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #24)

14. Agit Kabayel - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

Worth of mention fights and fighters:
Łukasz Różański (BoxRec's #78) vs Izuagbe Ugonoh (inactive) - 06.07.2019
Bryant Jennings (BoxRec's #26) vs Joe Joyce (BoxRec's #28) - 13.07.2019
Nathan Gorman (BoxRec's #43) vs Daniel Dubois (BoxRec's #54) - 13.07.2019
Ali Eren Demirezen (BoxRec's #32) vs Efe Ajagba (BoxRec's #50) - 20.07.2019
Murat Gassiev (BoxRec's #3 at CW) vs Joey Dawejko (BoxRec's #57) - 27.07.2019
Michael Hunter vs TBA
Jarrell Miller vs TBA
Oleksandr Usyk vs TBA

Question: Is there some fight or fighter that should be added to the ''worth of mention'' list?

dagilechia wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 12:55 Current ranking:

1. Tyson Fury - 27(19) 0 1 - next fight: 15.06.2019 vs Tom Schwarz - 24(16) 0 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #56)

2. Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

3. Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - (#11)

6. Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Kubrat Pulev - 27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 25(19) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Adam Kownacki - 19(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - (#5)

12. Filip Hrgović - 8(6) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Dereck Chisora - 30(21) 9(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Agit Kabayel - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

Worth of mention fights and fighters:
Łukasz Różański (BoxRec's #78) vs Izuagbe Ugonoh (inactive) - 06.07.2019
Bryant Jennings (BoxRec's #26) vs Joe Joyce (BoxRec's #28) - 13.07.2019
Nathan Gorman (BoxRec's #43) vs Daniel Dubois (BoxRec's #54) - 13.07.2019
Ali Eren Demirezen (BoxRec's #32) vs Efe Ajagba (BoxRec's #50) - 20.07.2019
Murat Gassiev (BoxRec's #3 at CW) vs Joey Dawejko (BoxRec's #57) - 27.07.2019
Michael Hunter vs TBA
Jarrell Miller vs TBA
Oleksandr Usyk vs TBA

Question: Is there some fight or fighter that should be added to the ''worth of mention'' list?

Makhmudov is going to continue rising up the rankings. I think he's worth a look.

oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 13:02 Makhmudov is going to continue rising up the rankings. I think he's worth a look.

it's likely that he will make it to the list in future but i think that first he must fight or at least be scheduled vs #100 or better opponent.

dagilechia wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 13:12 it's likely that he will make it to the list in future but i think that first he must fight or at least be scheduled vs #100 or better opponent.

Just think he's more than worth keeping in mind. His last three fights took nine rounds to dispatch some relatively tough outs; Jonathan Rice (7 Rounds); Avery Gibson (1 rd); Jason Bergman (1 rd).

HeavyHitters wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 15:46 You guys are NUTS for putting Ruiz at #1 after this "questionable" victory over Anthony Joshua. Yes, AJ may have had a panic attack before the fight, but he clearly didn't look right most of the fight. It's still hard for me to fathom how he lost this fight. Maybe he does have a questionable chin, but to go down that easy from some of those punches by Ruiz....... ridiculous!!

I'm guessing Ruiz will lose in his first title defense, or his second, ( depending who he chooses to fight next ). I'm guessing AJ bounces back and regains a title within 2-3 years, and a few years from now, we will all be scratching our heads on what exactly happened that night.

Here's my current top 10:

1. Deontay Wilder
2. Tyson Fury
3. Andy Ruiz Jr.
4. Luis Ortiz
5. Anthony Joshua
6. Dillian Whyte
7. Joseph Parker
8. Daniel Dubois
9. Joe Joyce
10. Michael Hunter/ Oleksandr Usyk

And what exactly would be an argument for having Dubois and Joyce above Kownacki??

characters wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 08:00 The fight reminded me about the Wilder vs Arreola fight, where Arreola sended Wilder to hospital and Wilder claimed he was forced to fight a bum next because of all the injuries Arreola gave him. Somehow Andy Ruiz Jr wasn't bribed to sit on his chair, and give up the fight, because AJ ain't that fake, like Wilder and his buddy Arreola are.

I think AJ, Andy Ruiz, Whyte, Parker, Povetkin and such are basically the top 5 and all got a chance against each other on a good/bad day and below that we got Fury, Wilder, Pulev, Rivas, Ortiz, Romanov, who also got a chance against each other on a good/bad day. There are also a bunch of prospects who still need to proof themself a bit, but might end up higher then the 2nd class division I just named. Then I'm talking about Hrgovic, Joe Joyce, Petar Milas, Ajagba, Miljas, Dubois and name them.

This puts AJ on rank 1 and Andy Ruiz Jr on spot 3 for me, with Dillian Whyte in the middle.

Thank you for clearly representing your illogic.

characters wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 08:00 Well, because Kownacki isn't that good obviously.

Cool but as far as I’m aware this is meant to be a ranking based on achievements and not ‘my fav boxers’ list.