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SenorPipino wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 15:11 Canelo is known the world over. Was just treated like royalty when he vacationed in Europe.

Biggest PPV star in boxing.

To deny his staggering impact and star power in the sport is to wallow in the muck of jealousy and envy.

Yes gentleman, the undisputed Face of Boxing.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 12:19

SenorPipino wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 07:41

I don't see DAZN ordering Golovkin to get into the ring with anyone more dangerous than Rolls.

So why would they make demands on its company star and risk GBP taking a walk from the company in a few years.

Nothing wrong with Andrade who is an unbeaten champion. If you don't care for his style, so what? Not everyone is a one dimensional slugger.

Plenty folks claim that they didn't care for Mayweather's style either, yet he is the most watched PPV fighter in history.

Talent trumps style. People will tune in to see a talented fighter no matter how he fights.

DAZN is ordering Golovkin to fight Canelo who is slightly more dangerous than Rolls.

Regarding Andrade's "talent", you are very wrong. Fans don't want to see runners. Nobody wanted to see Rigo or Lara, so they are trying to change their styles to become more appealing. Ward couldn't draw. Mayweather became a huge draw due to multiple factors. First of all, he was an exciting fighter at lower weight and had victories (including the controversial one over Castillo) over well known Mexicans attracting the huge Mexican audience who started tuning up hoping to see him beaten. And of course he skillfully created other controversies and publicity boosters helping his popularity.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:07 Lara and Rigondeaux aren't exactly becoming more exciting fighters to watch by choice. They're becoming more exciting to watch because they're getting older, and their legs don't work for them to spend the whole fight on the move like they used to. They have no choice, but to engage more.

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:07 Lara and Rigondeaux aren't exactly becoming more exciting fighters to watch by choice. They're becoming more exciting to watch because they're getting older, and their legs don't work for them to spend the whole fight on the move like they used to. They have no choice, but to engage more.

Spot on. Additionally, I’d say Hurds style/pressure essentially forced Lara to fight in attempt to get him off. Although no doubt Lara also showed a lot of heart in that contest and didn’t quit when the going got tough like Rigo with his bruised hand.

jamamb wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 15:41 good fighter but hardly anyone gives a sh!t about him, just a funny argument to make

SenorPipino wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 19:04

jamamb wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 15:41 good fighter but hardly anyone gives a sh!t about him, just a funny argument to make

The money Canelo's earned (those record television contracts aren't handed out to everyone) and the PPV numbers he racked up kinda makes a mockery of you're opinion.

Apparently the world gives a huge sh!t about him or he wouldn't be in the lofty position he's at.

jamamb wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 19:33

SenorPipino wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 19:04

The money Canelo's earned (those record television contracts aren't handed out to everyone) and the PPV numbers he racked up kinda makes a mockery of you're opinion.

Apparently the world gives a huge sh!t about him or he wouldn't be in the lofty position he's at.

lol im talking about andrade smart guy , i know you have a hard on for canelo though and try to get as much talk in about how great he is as u can

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:58

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:54

Spot on. Additionally, I’d say Hurds style/pressure essentially forced Lara to fight in attempt to get him off. Although no doubt Lara also showed a lot of heart in that contest and didn’t quit when the going got tough like Rigo with his bruised hand.

I'm not gonna fault Rigo for packing it in. He was completely shut out, and he was just the next in line to quit against Loma at that point. Doubtful he had a bruised hand, but bruised pride, and he didn't feel like being a punching bag for another 5 rounds.

I'm more annoyed at the fact that the referee royally f*cked over his opponent in his last contest.

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 21:15

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:58

I'm not gonna fault Rigo for packing it in. He was completely shut out, and he was just the next in line to quit against Loma at that point. Doubtful he had a bruised hand, but bruised pride, and he didn't feel like being a punching bag for another 5 rounds.

I'm more annoyed at the fact that the referee royally f*cked over his opponent in his last contest.

I don't agree, he should be critized. This was a pay per view fight. Yes he was being outclassed, yes he was the smaller man, but to 'pack it in' at such a time when he had received very little physical punishment.

He deserves to be called a quitter. He met someone for the first time who had a better boxing ability then himself and he stopped trying. Whereby the invincible Lomachenko was dropped in his previous fight. Most fights these days are mismatches, Rigo has steam rolled numerous opponents due to his superior skills yet most of them have shown far more heart than he did.

Just like his opponents, he found himself with some adversity and unlike the majority of his opponents, Quit.

He's a boring fighter, a dirty fighter and a quitter. I'm hoping he doesnt get another prime time opportunity.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 21:18

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 21:15

I don't agree, he should be critized. This was a pay per view fight. Yes he was being outclassed, yes he was the smaller man, but to 'pack it in' at such a time when he had received very little physical punishment.

He deserves to be called a quitter. He met someone for the first time who had a better boxing ability then himself and he stopped trying. Whereby the invincible Lomachenko was dropped in his previous fight. Most fights these days are mismatches, Rigo has steam rolled numerous opponents due to his superior skills yet most of them have shown far more heart than he did.

Just like his opponents, he found himself with some adversity and unlike the majority of his opponents, Quit.

He's a boring fighter, a dirty fighter and a quitter. I'm hoping he doesnt get another prime time opportunity.

It wasn't a PPV fight. It was on ESPN, and he won't get another Prime Time opportunity because there isn't one for him to get. There's no marquee guy to match him against, and whenever Rey Vargas or whoever beats him he'll be old news. Even now he's just an older guy with a name that they're looking for the right guy to pad their record with.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 11:39 I frankly don't give a damn if Canelo fights a straight up bum in his next fight. Hell the guy has fought Golovkin twice, Danny Jacobs, A Super Middleweight...all kinds of tough guys lately. Hell if anybody has earned a soft opponent in the sport it'd be him, and frankly Munguia or Bivol or anyone I've heard mentioned as a potential opponent for him ain't all that soft.

ValMar wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 11:46 If I could choose - Andrade first, it is a great achievement to be an udisputed champion.

After Andrade, Canelo should move up at SMW, and forget the MW.

If he wants to continue his career at LHW, let he do it, but without soft-matching and catch-weights.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 11:56

ValMar wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 11:46 If I could choose - Andrade first, it is a great achievement to be an udisputed champion.

After Andrade, Canelo should move up at SMW, and forget the MW.

If he wants to continue his career at LHW, let he do it, but without soft-matching and catch-weights.

If you beat the #1 guy you're already undisputed. Having all the paper belts that one of them will then proceed to strip you of because you didn't fight the #15 ranked guy who is inexplicably their mandatory needs to stop being held up as somehow important. The belts need to stop being given any respect.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 11:56

ValMar wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 11:46 If I could choose - Andrade first, it is a great achievement to be an udisputed champion.

After Andrade, Canelo should move up at SMW, and forget the MW.

If he wants to continue his career at LHW, let he do it, but without soft-matching and catch-weights.

If you beat the #1 guy you're already undisputed. Having all the paper belts that one of them will then proceed to strip you of because you didn't fight the #15 ranked guy who is inexplicably their mandatory needs to stop being held up as somehow important. The belts need to stop being given any respect.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 11:39 I frankly don't give a damn if Canelo fights a straight up bum in his next fight. Hell the guy has fought Golovkin twice, Danny Jacobs, A Super Middleweight...all kinds of tough guys lately. Hell if anybody has earned a soft opponent in the sport it'd be him, and frankly Munguia or Bivol or anyone I've heard mentioned as a potential opponent for him ain't all that soft.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 12:28

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 11:56

If you beat the #1 guy you're already undisputed. Having all the paper belts that one of them will then proceed to strip you of because you didn't fight the #15 ranked guy who is inexplicably their mandatory needs to stop being held up as somehow important. The belts need to stop being given any respect.

Except he clearly lost to the #1 guy in their first fight and had a very close second one where only tiny minority of experts and boxers had him winning.

Duran1970 wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 12:31

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 11:39 I frankly don't give a damn if Canelo fights a straight up bum in his next fight. Hell the guy has fought Golovkin twice, Danny Jacobs, A Super Middleweight...all kinds of tough guys lately. Hell if anybody has earned a soft opponent in the sport it'd be him, and frankly Munguia or Bivol or anyone I've heard mentioned as a potential opponent for him ain't all that soft.

All kinds of tough guys????
Chavez Jr ?
Fielding?
Amir freakin Khan?