We are all terrified. But you still don't answer my question. You obvious lack of courage means I win. LMFAO!
BTW: I've always felt that EO reminded me of someone and I couldn't figure it out. I did just now. Captain Queeg from "Caine Mutiny" as he became unglued at the courtmartial. LMFAO! I'ts spot on!
He talks about red herring arguments; he is the master of that. His "logic" is Liston never beat anyone who weighed more than 230, so therefore he couldn't have beaten anyone who weighed more than 230.
He doesn't like facts such as Liston's and Louis' best opponents, weren't their biggest opponents.
All people drink water. All people die. Water makes you die. That generally says it all for EO's logic.
Yes, generalisation and logic are easily confused, but they are not the same thing.
It's also known as 'jumping to the wrong conclusion', as many a policeman the world over has no doubt later discovered to his embarrassment.
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 17:46
by Ambling Alp II
It's not just him; though look at the poll numbers some far. Only four people have number 1.
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 17:47
by margaret thatcher
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 17:46
It's not just him; though look at the poll numbers some far. Only four people have number 1.
Nothing wrong with that at all, is it bothering you a bit alp that not everyone just defaults him to 1
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 17:48
by Ambling Alp II
Only because it's pretty obvious. I have this crazy notion that ability actually matters. Only four people have number 1. 7 people actually don't think he would crack the top 8. We have gotton to that point. Just look at the scales, nothing more to think about.
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 17:50
by margaret thatcher
The majority have him top 5, I rarely see people who say it's only size that matter. Saying just that size matters is fair and reasonable, not something that should be ignored
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 17:51
by oogiebe
Opinions are fine. Most have him 2-5. At least no one else is going off the deep end saying Liston only fought CW's.
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 17:51
by margaret thatcher
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 17:51
Opinions are fine. Most have him 2-5. At least no one else is going off the deep end saying Liston only fought CW's.
2-5 isn't enough god dammnit!! alp needs him #1 or else everyone is just an idiot !!!
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 17:51
Opinions are fine. Most have him 2-5. At least no one else is going off the deep end saying Liston only fought CW's.
2-5 isn't enough god dammnit!! alp needs him #1 or else everyone is just an idiot !!!
LOL! C'mon...he didn't say that.
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 17:54
by margaret thatcher
Lol, but only 4 people have him #1! such an know nothing injustice! waah
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 17:54
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 17:54
Lol, but only 4 people have him #1! such an know nothing injustice! waah
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 17:54
Lol, but only 4 people have him #1! such an know nothing injustice! waah
I guess I'm an idiot then. I had him 2-5.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, only a true idiot would think so
Slick Cleveland Williams !!
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 18:04
by Ambling Alp II
You have started at least three Cleveland Williams threads so far. Time for another?
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 18:07
by margaret thatcher
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 18:04
You have started at least three Cleveland Williams threads so far. Time for another?
Hell ya bruh, I love myself some of sweet pea Willy , thanks for the suggestion , you have some good ideas when you're not moaning for a change
Re: Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 26 May 2020, 18:25
by Tony1244
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 18:04
You have started at least three Cleveland Williams threads so far. Time for another?
If Cleveland Williams was fat and 245, some people would be giving Liston more credit. As others alluded to, some of the modern size difference is simply being fat!
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 18:04
You have started at least three Cleveland Williams threads so far. Time for another?
If Cleveland Williams was fat and 245, some people would be giving Liston more credit. As others alluded to, some of the modern size difference is simply being fat!
In many cases that's exactly what it is.
Sonny Liston could've easily been 235 pounds, he just wouldn't have had as much stamina, wouldn't have been as fast...etc.
Having extra weight just because you can shouldn't be the goal, and to a select few. It's not.
If Cleveland Williams was fat and 245, some people would be giving Liston more credit. As others alluded to, some of the modern size difference is simply being fat!
In many cases that's exactly what it is.
Sonny Liston could've easily been 235 pounds, he just wouldn't have had as much stamina, wouldn't have been as fast...etc.
Having extra weight just because you can shouldn't be the goal, and to a select few. It's not.
How many really good big men have there've been so far? The 2 Klit brothers, LL, and Fury. Am I missing anyone?
