Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 19 Jan 2022, 09:32
by Enlightened-One
ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Jan 2022, 20:53Making decrees again, with less than complete intelligence. Top Rank obviously will not be working with TCraw. Time will tell how the rest of it works out.
I've made claims based on the actual words of others.
My words aren’t based on guesses or assumptions. Instead I’m merely reciting information that’s already been communicated to the media.
I don't use words such as "guess" or "likely" in reference to very recent interviews whereby individuals were clearly conveying their thoughts.
You can keep being derogatory if that makes your life more fulfilling, but I am able to “walk-the-talk” in regards to my claims.
But please keep attacking me, even though I am able to backup everything I say. It’s rather flattering to see someone like you openly admitting their inferiority complex.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Jan 2022, 20:53Making decrees again, with less than complete intelligence. Top Rank obviously will not be working with TCraw. Time will tell how the rest of it works out.
I've made claims based on the actual words of others.
My words aren’t based on guesses or assumptions. Instead I’m merely reciting information that’s already been communicated o the media.
I don't use words such as "guess" or "likely" in reference to very recent interviews whereby individuals were clearly conveying their thoughts.
You can keep being derogatory if that makes your life more fulfilling, but I am able to “walk-the-talk” in regards to my claims.
We will see how it plays out, Vapid-One (vapid; offering nothing that is stimulating or challenging. enlightened; rational, modern, and well informed outlook).
When TCraw fights again, you can explain in detail how that happened. If he does not, I will do the same.
Either way, TCraw will be fine.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Jan 2022, 20:53Making decrees again, with less than complete intelligence. Top Rank obviously will not be working with TCraw. Time will tell how the rest of it works out.
I've made claims based on the actual words of others.
My words aren’t based on guesses or assumptions. Instead I’m merely reciting information that’s already been communicated o the media.
I don't use words such as "guess" or "likely" in reference to very recent interviews whereby individuals were clearly conveying their thoughts.
You can keep being derogatory if that makes your life more fulfilling, but I am able to “walk-the-talk” in regards to my claims.
We will see how it plays out, Vapid-One (vapid; offering nothing that is stimulating or challenging. enlightened; rational, modern, and well informed outlook).
When TCraw fights again, you can explain in detail how that happened. If he does not, I will do the same.
Either way, TCraw will be fine.
Like I said before, my opinion is based on the thoughts recently conveyed by the head honchos of Top Rank, Matchroom and the PBC.
If their opinions change in the near future, then so will mine.
My opinion isn't based on guesswork.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Jan 2022, 20:53Making decrees again, with less than complete intelligence. Top Rank obviously will not be working with TCraw. Time will tell how the rest of it works out.
I've made claims based on the actual words of others.
My words aren’t based on guesses or assumptions. Instead I’m merely reciting information that’s already been communicated to the media.
I don't use words such as "guess" or "likely" in reference to very recent interviews whereby individuals were clearly conveying their thoughts.
You can keep being derogatory if that makes your life more fulfilling, but I am able to “walk-the-talk” in regards to my claims.
But please keep attacking me, even though I am able to backup everything I say. It’s rather flattering to see someone like you openly admitting their inferiority complex.
"Oh..uh...I don't know..."
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 09:32
I've made claims based on the actual words of others.
My words aren’t based on guesses or assumptions. Instead I’m merely reciting information that’s already been communicated o the media.
I don't use words such as "guess" or "likely" in reference to very recent interviews whereby individuals were clearly conveying their thoughts.
You can keep being derogatory if that makes your life more fulfilling, but I am able to “walk-the-talk” in regards to my claims.
We will see how it plays out, Vapid-One (vapid; offering nothing that is stimulating or challenging. enlightened; rational, modern, and well informed outlook).
When TCraw fights again, you can explain in detail how that happened. If he does not, I will do the same.
Either way, TCraw will be fine.
Like I said before, my opinion is based on the thoughts recently conveyed by the head honchos of Top Rank, Matchroom and the PBC.
If their opinions change in the near future, then so will mine.
My opinion isn't based on guesswork.
Your record of inability to admit when you are wrong precedes and tails you, Vapid-One.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 19 Jan 2022, 09:55
by Enlightened-One
ironbeard wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 09:52Your record of inability to admit when you are wrong precedes and tails you, Vapid-One.
Please provide an example.
Telling me I'm "wrong" when I'm merely reciting the words conveyed by others doesn't mean I'm actually "wrong".
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 10:06
Isn’t that the reason why you’re frustrated about my posts?
They’re based on research. And I back-up my claims with evidence.
Whereas you aggressively attack others based on guesswork?
I'm still waiting for you to provide an example of me being "wrong".
If it happens all the time, as per your claims, it shouldn't take you more than a minute or two to provide an example.
And like I said before, I'm still waiting.
You just sit there, and wait.
It’s great to see people like you concede defeat.
Keep waiting, Vapid-One.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 19 Jan 2022, 12:54
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
I just looked up Crawford's PPV numbers having not followed it and was shocked to see them average around 150k. Really Crawford needed to think about his promotion far earlier in his career. It's his job more than his promoters. The promoter can only promote the product in front of him. Crawford just comes across on a personal level as boring despite being possibly P4P no1.
He should of done what Floyd did and jumped ship from Arum when nearly all the big fight opponents were nearly all with PBC. I suppose he's also suffered from the likes of Mayweather and Pacquaio not passing on the PPV batton like Delahoya did to those 2
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 19 Jan 2022, 14:41
by ironbeard
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 12:54
I just looked up Crawford's PPV numbers having not followed it and was shocked to see them average around 150k. Really Crawford needed to think about his promotion far earlier in his career. It's his job more than his promoters. The promoter can only promote the product in front of him. Crawford just comes across on a personal level as boring despite being possibly P4P no1.
He should of done what Floyd did and jumped ship from Arum when nearly all the big fight opponents were nearly all with PBC. I suppose he's also suffered from the likes of Mayweather and Pacquaio not passing on the PPV batton like Delahoya did to those 2
I agree with most of your post. My one slight issue is with “the promoter can only promote the product in front of him.”
My problem with that is that Arum not only did not adequately “promote the product in front of him,” he proactively denigrated his product while shelving it.
Long ago, when TCraw went over to the UK and completely dominated Ricky Burns, Arum should have had him front and center promoting/amplifying the man as the next superstar. Bud did his part. He dominated every fight.
I am assuming that you are suggesting that TCraw should have made more of an ass of himself in public, or am I misreading you? “The product” that Bud is could have been far better promoted by the promoter contracted to do so.
TCraw is a consummate professional, a world class generational talent, an honest, hardworking family man, a philanthropist and excellent role model, and loyal to his community of Omaha, Nebraska.
A promoter who was not decades past his sell by date would be able to properly promote that “product.”
You are absolutely correct that the ultimate responsibility for TCraw’s circumstances is his own, by way of his decisions, but that does not exonerate his contracted promoter of his piss poor job.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 19 Jan 2022, 15:50
by KiwiRider
Crawford does what he does in the ring, but in today's business that is only a part of what makes a successful profitable fighter.
It doesn't all sit in the promotors lap when fans can have almost daily access to fighters through social media and mainstream media outlets.
And you don't have to be an Arsewipe to be popular, you just have to work at it like its the night gym.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 19 Jan 2022, 16:08
by ironbeard
KiwiRider wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 15:50
Crawford does what he does in the ring, but in today's business that is only a part of what makes a successful profitable fighter.
It doesn't all sit in the promotors lap when fans can have almost daily access to fighters through social media and mainstream media outlets.
And you don't have to be an Arsewipe to be popular, you just have to work at it like its the night gym.
TCraw is out there on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, etc. Should he have gone out on his own four years ago? Absolutely.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
KiwiRider wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 15:50
Crawford does what he does in the ring, but in today's business that is only a part of what makes a successful profitable fighter.
It doesn't all sit in the promotors lap when fans can have almost daily access to fighters through social media and mainstream media outlets.
And you don't have to be an Arsewipe to be popular, you just have to work at it like its the night gym.
TCraw is out there on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, etc. Should he have gone out on his own four years ago? Absolutely.
I have taken a look at his socials in the past, and I have to use the Saad memorial emoticon -
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
KiwiRider wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 15:50
Crawford does what he does in the ring, but in today's business that is only a part of what makes a successful profitable fighter.
It doesn't all sit in the promotors lap when fans can have almost daily access to fighters through social media and mainstream media outlets.
And you don't have to be an Arsewipe to be popular, you just have to work at it like its the night gym.
TCraw is out there on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, etc. Should he have gone out on his own four years ago? Absolutely.
I have taken a look at his socials in the past, and I have to use the Saad memorial emoticon -
You know as well as I do that the only thing holding TCraw back is the quality of fights and the failure to properly promote the fights he has had.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
I have taken a look at his socials in the past, and I have to use the Saad memorial emoticon -
You know as well as I do that the only thing holding TCraw back is the quality of fights and the failure to properly promote the fights he has had.
Oh crap, so it's not white privilege?
Thought I had a handle on this..
Piss poor promotion can be interpreted (like most anything else) in more than one way. The race angle is a shameless marketing ploy, imo, though definitely effective.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 20 Jan 2022, 02:09
by Enlightened-One
ironbeard wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 16:23Piss poor promotion can be interpreted (like most anything else) in more than one way. The race angle is a shameless marketing ploy, imo, though definitely effective.
Since Crawford signed his contract extension with Top Rank in 2018, his audience viewing figures for non-PPV events have been on a downward trajectory.
In stark contrast, Vasyl Lomachenko's viewing figures have increased over the same timeframe (i.e. since 2018)... and he had the same promoter and network that Crawford used.
Therefore, you have two fighters working with the same promoter and same network. One of them seems to be growing in popularity, whereas the other appears to be losing their audience.
Only one of these guys refuses to compete unless he receives his guaranteed minimum purse, with the same individual, despite being a native English speaker, reluctant to engage with the media.
Which person am I referring to? And if the same team and network are handling both men, then please explain the reason for the discrepancies in their audience viewing figures and corresponding trend trajectories?
The bottom line: Terence Crawford signed his contract extension with Top Rank in 2018, because he preferred the paycheque over sporting legacy, since there weren’t any decent welterweights in Bob Arum’s stable back then.
Even though that business decision was very profitable for Crawford, because he ended up receiving $21.8m from that deal, he must have known (like everyone else) about the consequences of not making the jump to the PBC back then.
In my mind, Terence Crawford is currently doing an excellent impression of Ali G: "Is it because I is black?!?"
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 20 Jan 2022, 02:50
by Mexi-Box
Yeah, all that money Top Rank sunk trying to promote him.
Dude has never been a draw and was promoted to the moon with PPVs and unifications. Good luck in court.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 20 Jan 2022, 02:59
by ironbeard
We will see.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 20 Jan 2022, 06:38
by Thomastearns
Seems like Crawford only reads his fanboy like gushing press.
His miserable demeanour and lack of persona (plus unwillingness to fight Spence) render his entire argument invalid.
He wants to be paid as a superstar but clearly isn't one. He can't even act like one.
Okay, he's a good boxer sure enough, but the sport has many of those and they don't all get paid like he did.
Re: Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank
Posted: 20 Jan 2022, 08:41
by Enlightened-One
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑19 Jan 2022, 12:54I just looked up Crawford's PPV numbers having not followed it and was shocked to see them average around 150k.
