Canelo want usyk!

[Enlightened-One]

Because Rankings are just part of Boxing.

If they matter to you, you should pay attention to who actually does credible rankings and quit worrying about Boxrec's. How many times can you recognize that something doesn't make sense in a rankings system and still pretend it matters?

If you want credible rankings here you go.

https://tbrb.org/rankings

The Transnational Boxing Rankings Board rankings are no better than BoxRec. The TBRB P4P list has Canelo No. 1. And now BoxRec has removed Tyson Fury from their ratings, so now Canelo is P4P No. 1 on BoxRec too! Isn't this great?! Canelo loses and he actually moves up to P4P No. 1 because BoxRec finally believes Fury is going to retire (and I believe it too because he doesn't want to fight Joshua or Usyk and he said so). What does it take for Canelo to drop in the P4P ratings? What if he has another loss in his next fight? Will that be the straw that broke the camel's back?

I don’t think Canelo should be the pound-for-pound number one anymore.

But to be fair, he was the undisputed champion at 168lbs that tried and failed to defeat arguably the best fighter competing at 175lbs.

The Mexican was competing outside of his natural habitat. So, he shouldn’t slide down the pound-for-pound rankings much.

That said, who should take the number one slot?

Terence Crawford’s resume is weak at 147lbs and he has been very inactive.

Don’t get me wrong, Bud is a great fighter, but he hasn’t done very much within the last 4½ years and we have to start applying expiry dates on feats at some point when considering the current number one pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

So I guess we’re left with Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue.

I personally favour the Japanese fighter, because Usyk’s only credible victory within the last 3½ years came against Anthony Joshua (who wasn’t considered the best in his own weight class and definitely wasn’t a pound-for-pounder at the time of their fight).

In terms of Canelo, I’d probably rate him 4th in the pound-for-pound rankings, behind Inoue, Usyk and Crawford, though I'd be sorely tempted to rate him above Bud (i.e. 3rd).

[IKSRTFO]

Because Rankings are just part of Boxing.

If they matter to you, you should pay attention to who actually does credible rankings and quit worrying about Boxrec's. How many times can you recognize that something doesn't make sense in a rankings system and still pretend it matters?

If you want credible rankings here you go.

https://tbrb.org/rankings

The Transnational Boxing Rankings Board rankings are no better than BoxRec. The TBRB P4P list has Canelo No. 1. And now BoxRec has removed Tyson Fury from their ratings, so now Canelo is P4P No. 1 on BoxRec too! Isn't this great?! Canelo loses and he actually moves up to P4P No. 1 because BoxRec finally believes Fury is going to retire (and I believe it too because he doesn't want to fight Joshua or Usyk and he said so). What does it take for Canelo to drop in the P4P ratings? What if he has another loss in his next fight? Will that be the straw that broke the camel's back?

I don’t think Canelo should be the pound-for-pound number one anymore.

But to be fair, he was the undisputed champion at 168lbs that tried and failed to defeat arguably the best fighter competing at 175lbs.

The Mexican was competing outside of his natural habitat. So, he shouldn’t slide down the pound-for-pound rankings much.

That said, who should take the number one slot?

Terence Crawford’s resume is weak at 147lbs and he has been very inactive.

Don’t get me wrong, Bud is a great fighter, but he hasn’t done very much within the last 4½ years and we have to start applying expiry dates on feats at some point when considering the current number one pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

So I guess we’re left with Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue.

I personally favour the Japanese fighter, because Usyk’s only credible victory within the last 3½ years came against Anthony Joshua (who wasn’t considered the best in his own weight class and definitely wasn’t a pound-for-pounder at the time of their fight).

In terms of Canelo, I’d probably rate him 4th in the pound-for-pound rankings, behind Inoue, Usyk and Crawford, though I'd be sorely tempted to rate him above Bud (i.e. 3rd).

How bout Spence?

[Enlightened-One]

The Transnational Boxing Rankings Board rankings are no better than BoxRec. The TBRB P4P list has Canelo No. 1. And now BoxRec has removed Tyson Fury from their ratings, so now Canelo is P4P No. 1 on BoxRec too! Isn't this great?! Canelo loses and he actually moves up to P4P No. 1 because BoxRec finally believes Fury is going to retire (and I believe it too because he doesn't want to fight Joshua or Usyk and he said so). What does it take for Canelo to drop in the P4P ratings? What if he has another loss in his next fight? Will that be the straw that broke the camel's back?

I don’t think Canelo should be the pound-for-pound number one anymore.

But to be fair, he was the undisputed champion at 168lbs that tried and failed to defeat arguably the best fighter competing at 175lbs.

The Mexican was competing outside of his natural habitat. So, he shouldn’t slide down the pound-for-pound rankings much.

That said, who should take the number one slot?

Terence Crawford’s resume is weak at 147lbs and he has been very inactive.

Don’t get me wrong, Bud is a great fighter, but he hasn’t done very much within the last 4½ years and we have to start applying expiry dates on feats at some point when considering the current number one pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

So I guess we’re left with Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue.

I personally favour the Japanese fighter, because Usyk’s only credible victory within the last 3½ years came against Anthony Joshua (who wasn’t considered the best in his own weight class and definitely wasn’t a pound-for-pounder at the time of their fight).

In terms of Canelo, I’d probably rate him 4th in the pound-for-pound rankings, behind Inoue, Usyk and Crawford, though I'd be sorely tempted to rate him above Bud (i.e. 3rd).

How bout Spence?

I like to rate pound-for-pound rankings using recent feats (i.e. what they’ve achieved within the last three years).

The next time Errol Spence Jr. steps foot inside the ring in September, he would have only won two fights within the previous three years, with those wins coming against Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas.

That’s not enough activity nor good enough wins in my book, regardless the legitimate reasons for him being unable to compete, in order for him to be deemed as the new pound-for-pound ruler.

The simple question is this… has Errol Spence Jr. achieved more within the last two or three years than Canelo, Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue?

I say no, but I suspect others may disagree.

[IKSRTFO]

I don’t think Canelo should be the pound-for-pound number one anymore.

But to be fair, he was the undisputed champion at 168lbs that tried and failed to defeat arguably the best fighter competing at 175lbs.

The Mexican was competing outside of his natural habitat. So, he shouldn’t slide down the pound-for-pound rankings much.

That said, who should take the number one slot?

Terence Crawford’s resume is weak at 147lbs and he has been very inactive.

Don’t get me wrong, Bud is a great fighter, but he hasn’t done very much within the last 4½ years and we have to start applying expiry dates on feats at some point when considering the current number one pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

So I guess we’re left with Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue.

I personally favour the Japanese fighter, because Usyk’s only credible victory within the last 3½ years came against Anthony Joshua (who wasn’t considered the best in his own weight class and definitely wasn’t a pound-for-pounder at the time of their fight).

In terms of Canelo, I’d probably rate him 4th in the pound-for-pound rankings, behind Inoue, Usyk and Crawford, though I'd be sorely tempted to rate him above Bud (i.e. 3rd).

How bout Spence?

I like to rate pound-for-pound rankings using recent feats (i.e. what they’ve achieved within the last three years).

The next time Errol Spence Jr. steps foot inside the ring in September, he would have only won two fights within the previous three years, with those wins coming against Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas.

That’s not enough activity nor good enough wins in my book, regardless the legitimate reasons for him being unable to compete, in order for him to be deemed as the new pound-for-pound ruler.

The simple question is this… has Errol Spence Jr. achieved more within the last two or three years than Canelo, Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue?

I say no, but I suspect others may disagree.

So Usyk has a whole one more fight in three years than Errol Spence. Not only that, his victories are:

AJ - Great victory
Derick Chisora - a glorified gatekeeper
Chazz Witherspoon - Who?

Neither Chisora nor Witherspoon is even better than Danny Garcia.

[caldo2025]

This was a statement that I made on a thread titled Stick a fork in Gennady. This was after the first Golovkin vs. Canelo fight. Here is my statement: "Stick a fork in Canelo because it's all downhill from here. He's the type of guy who is going to suck at boxing in his early 30s." I guess my prediction is coming true.

This is such a bad prediction to be claiming a victory on.

You claimed all down hill from here In late 2017 and Canelo went on to have one of the best 4.5 years I have ever seen...

You're right. I was wrong about his career after the first Golovkin fight. But now, here he is at 31 years old and he looked older than Bivol and they are both the same age.

I think Canelo’s money earned has to figure into one of the reasons that we may be seeing a dip into his production upcoming. I’d definitely find it harder to stay as motivated with an endless amount of money at my disposal.

[Enlightened-One]

How bout Spence?

I like to rate pound-for-pound rankings using recent feats (i.e. what they’ve achieved within the last three years).

The next time Errol Spence Jr. steps foot inside the ring in September, he would have only won two fights within the previous three years, with those wins coming against Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas.

That’s not enough activity nor good enough wins in my book, regardless the legitimate reasons for him being unable to compete, in order for him to be deemed as the new pound-for-pound ruler.

The simple question is this… has Errol Spence Jr. achieved more within the last two or three years than Canelo, Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue?

I say no, but I suspect others may disagree.

So Usyk has a whole one more fight in three years than Errol Spence. Not only that, his victories are:

AJ - Great victory
Derick Chisora - a glorified gatekeeper
Chazz Witherspoon - Who?

Neither Chisora nor Witherspoon is even better than Danny Garcia.

According to betting odds, Anthony Joshua was rated as being 75% certain of defeating Oleksandr Usyk, with the Ukrainian underdog only given a 28% chance of victory.

Therefore, Oleksandr Usyk was considered a massive underdog when he dominated Anthony Joshua to become the unified world heavyweight champion.

Usyk also added the WBA, WBO, IBF & IBO world heavyweight titles to his undisputed cruiserweight championship straps.

In my mind, that win alone trumpts Spence Jr’s victories over Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas, in bouts he was considered the heavy betting favourite.

You're more than welcome to disagree, because it's not as if pound-for-pound rankings are that important in life.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

When spence beats someone who outweighs him by 20 pounds and is 3 inches taller he can lay a claim to #1 p4p. Until then it is usyk

[Thomastearns]

Because Rankings are just part of Boxing.

If they matter to you, you should pay attention to who actually does credible rankings and quit worrying about Boxrec's. How many times can you recognize that something doesn't make sense in a rankings system and still pretend it matters?

If you want credible rankings here you go.

https://tbrb.org/rankings

The Transnational Boxing Rankings Board rankings are no better than BoxRec. The TBRB P4P list has Canelo No. 1. And now BoxRec has removed Tyson Fury from their ratings, so now Canelo is P4P No. 1 on BoxRec too! Isn't this great?! Canelo loses and he actually moves up to P4P No. 1 because BoxRec finally believes Fury is going to retire (and I believe it too because he doesn't want to fight Joshua or Usyk and he said so). What does it take for Canelo to drop in the P4P ratings? What if he has another loss in his next fight? Will that be the straw that broke the camel's back?

I don’t think Canelo should be the pound-for-pound number one anymore.

But to be fair, he was the undisputed champion at 168lbs that tried and failed to defeat arguably the best fighter competing at 175lbs.

The Mexican was competing outside of his natural habitat. So, he shouldn’t slide down the pound-for-pound rankings much.

That said, who should take the number one slot?

Terence Crawford’s resume is weak at 147lbs and he has been very inactive.

Don’t get me wrong, Bud is a great fighter, but he hasn’t done very much within the last 4½ years and we have to start applying expiry dates on feats at some point when considering the current number one pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

So I guess we’re left with Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue.

I personally favour the Japanese fighter, because Usyk’s only credible victory within the last 3½ years came against Anthony Joshua (who wasn’t considered the best in his own weight class and definitely wasn’t a pound-for-pounder at the time of their fight).

In terms of Canelo, I’d probably rate him 4th in the pound-for-pound rankings, behind Inoue, Usyk and Crawford, though I'd be sorely tempted to rate him above Bud (i.e. 3rd).

That makes sense, to have Inoue 1 and Usyk 2.

Both men have travelled far and wide and fought all comers, and didn't have the luxury to cherry pick soft targets.


It doesn't really get much better than that.


Of course if Usyk beats Joshua again (and then the 'is he retired or is he not?' Fury) we're left with a bit of a dilemma.

Would he then be the best ever or would we have to demote the entire current generation of heavyweights?

Beterbiev also so far has done nothing wrong either, 15 victories, 15 KOs. An eventual Bivol v Beterbiev matchup in no later than 2023 would still be an awesome fight.

Then again if Spence beats Crawford, then who can rule him out? I don't think he's getting enough credit for coming back the way he has done but unfortunately here is yet another superfight that's in danger of passing its best before date.

Until Crawford finally fights Spence he has no claim on the P4P title whatsoever. In fact at the age of 34, he's now in great danger of letting that one fight overshadow his entire career.

Of course it should be mentioned that quite what bargaining weight this intangible P4P (and the so called 'lineal title') brings to the business side of the sport is anyone's guess.

[gilgamesh]

Because Rankings are just part of Boxing.

If they matter to you, you should pay attention to who actually does credible rankings and quit worrying about Boxrec's. How many times can you recognize that something doesn't make sense in a rankings system and still pretend it matters?

If you want credible rankings here you go.

https://tbrb.org/rankings

The Transnational Boxing Rankings Board rankings are no better than BoxRec. The TBRB P4P list has Canelo No. 1. And now BoxRec has removed Tyson Fury from their ratings, so now Canelo is P4P No. 1 on BoxRec too! Isn't this great?! Canelo loses and he actually moves up to P4P No. 1 because BoxRec finally believes Fury is going to retire (and I believe it too because he doesn't want to fight Joshua or Usyk and he said so). What does it take for Canelo to drop in the P4P ratings? What if he has another loss in his next fight? Will that be the straw that broke the camel's back?

I would imagine these current rankings haven't been updated yet with the result of the Bivol-Canelo fight. If you're doing rankings in a credible way, it's not going to be a computer program, and it's not going to be done instantaneously after a result.

[IKSRTFO]

I like to rate pound-for-pound rankings using recent feats (i.e. what they’ve achieved within the last three years).

The next time Errol Spence Jr. steps foot inside the ring in September, he would have only won two fights within the previous three years, with those wins coming against Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas.

That’s not enough activity nor good enough wins in my book, regardless the legitimate reasons for him being unable to compete, in order for him to be deemed as the new pound-for-pound ruler.

The simple question is this… has Errol Spence Jr. achieved more within the last two or three years than Canelo, Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue?

I say no, but I suspect others may disagree.

So Usyk has a whole one more fight in three years than Errol Spence. Not only that, his victories are:

AJ - Great victory
Derick Chisora - a glorified gatekeeper
Chazz Witherspoon - Who?

Neither Chisora nor Witherspoon is even better than Danny Garcia.

According to betting odds, Anthony Joshua was rated as being 75% certain of defeating Oleksandr Usyk, with the Ukrainian underdog only given a 28% chance of victory.

Therefore, Oleksandr Usyk was considered a massive underdog when he dominated Anthony Joshua to become the unified world heavyweight champion.

Usyk also added the WBA, WBO, IBF & IBO world heavyweight titles to his undisputed cruiserweight championship straps.

In my mind, that win alone trumpts Spence Jr’s victories over Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas, in bouts he was considered the heavy betting favourite.

You're more than welcome to disagree, because it's not as if pound-for-pound rankings are that important in life.

All Usyk has is AJ. Neither of his other victories were against good opponents. Spence came back from a serious car accident to dominate Danny Garcia. Garcia was never dominated like that. After that Spence stops Ugas, who no one has ever dominated or stopped.

[margaret thatcher]

spence and usyk both have a case for the spot. usyk beating a much bigger top guy stands out though as far as p4p is concerned

[Enlightened-One]

So Usyk has a whole one more fight in three years than Errol Spence. Not only that, his victories are:

AJ - Great victory
Derick Chisora - a glorified gatekeeper
Chazz Witherspoon - Who?

Neither Chisora nor Witherspoon is even better than Danny Garcia.

According to betting odds, Anthony Joshua was rated as being 75% certain of defeating Oleksandr Usyk, with the Ukrainian underdog only given a 28% chance of victory.

Therefore, Oleksandr Usyk was considered a massive underdog when he dominated Anthony Joshua to become the unified world heavyweight champion.

Usyk also added the WBA, WBO, IBF & IBO world heavyweight titles to his undisputed cruiserweight championship straps.

In my mind, that win alone trumpts Spence Jr’s victories over Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas, in bouts he was considered the heavy betting favourite.

You're more than welcome to disagree, because it's not as if pound-for-pound rankings are that important in life.

All Usyk has is AJ. Neither of his other victories were against good opponents. Spence came back from a serious car accident to dominate Danny Garcia. Garcia was never dominated like that. After that Spence stops Ugas, who no one has ever dominated or stopped.

There’s no denying that Errol Spence Jr. is a fantastic fighter and his ability to recover from his recent serious injuries is remarkable.

However, I don’t think he’s done enough to be considered the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

In my mind Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue are more deserving candidates to be owning that status.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree, because the pound-for-pound rankings are mythical in nature and not to be taken too seriously.

[Bandog]

According to betting odds, Anthony Joshua was rated as being 75% certain of defeating Oleksandr Usyk, with the Ukrainian underdog only given a 28% chance of victory.

Therefore, Oleksandr Usyk was considered a massive underdog when he dominated Anthony Joshua to become the unified world heavyweight champion.

Usyk also added the WBA, WBO, IBF & IBO world heavyweight titles to his undisputed cruiserweight championship straps.

In my mind, that win alone trumpts Spence Jr’s victories over Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas, in bouts he was considered the heavy betting favourite.

You're more than welcome to disagree, because it's not as if pound-for-pound rankings are that important in life.

All Usyk has is AJ. Neither of his other victories were against good opponents. Spence came back from a serious car accident to dominate Danny Garcia. Garcia was never dominated like that. After that Spence stops Ugas, who no one has ever dominated or stopped.

There’s no denying that Errol Spence Jr. is a fantastic fighter and his ability to recover from his recent serious injuries is remarkable.

However, I don’t think he’s done enough to be considered the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

In my mind Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue are more deserving candidates to be owning that status.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree, because the pound-for-pound rankings are mythical in nature and not to be taken too seriously.

"Mythical in nature" good way of putting it honestly. It is the "experts opinions".

[RScarf1]

I would imagine these current rankings haven't been updated yet with the result of the Bivol-Canelo fight. If you're doing rankings in a credible way, it's not going to be a computer program, and it's not going to be done instantaneously after a result.

They were updated. As I stated, BoxRec’s P4P list had Fury No. 1, Bivol No. 2, Golovkin No. 3, and Canelo No. 4. That reflects the fact that Bivol defeated Canelo. Within one day, the list was changed to Fury No. 1, Canelo No. 2, Bivol No. 3, and Golovkin No. 4, so Canelo went ahead of Bivol for reasons that are unknown to me. Now with Fury removed from the ratings due to retirement, the P4P ratings are Canelo No. 1, Bivol No. 2, Golovkin No. 3, Crawford No. 4, Spence No. 5, Usyk No. 6, Joshua No. 7, etc. Whether it is a computer program doing the ratings or people deciding, the ratings loses some credibility when Canelo is still rated No. 1 P4P after a loss and one place ahead of the boxer who just defeated him. And I know that some people may say that he fought out of his weight class, so it doesn't count as much. However, it was only one weight class higher and Canelo had been a world champion at light heavyweight when he defeated Kovalev. You can debate endlessly about who you think is P4P No. 1. I think you can make a legitimate case for Bivol, Golovkin, Crawford, Spence, or Usyk being P4P No. 1. However, Canelo should not be considered P4P No. 1 right now because he lost to Bivol and the same goes for Joshua because he lost to Usyk.

[gilgamesh]

I would imagine these current rankings haven't been updated yet with the result of the Bivol-Canelo fight. If you're doing rankings in a credible way, it's not going to be a computer program, and it's not going to be done instantaneously after a result.

They were updated. As I stated, BoxRec’s P4P list had Fury No. 1, Bivol No. 2, Golovkin No. 3, and Canelo No. 4. That reflects the fact that Bivol defeated Canelo. Within one day, the list was changed to Fury No. 1, Canelo No. 2, Bivol No. 3, and Golovkin No. 4, so Canelo went ahead of Bivol for reasons that are unknown to me. Now with Fury removed from the ratings due to retirement, the P4P ratings are Canelo No. 1, Bivol No. 2, Golovkin No. 3, Crawford No. 4, Spence No. 5, Usyk No. 6, Joshua No. 7, etc. Whether it is a computer program doing the ratings or people deciding, the ratings loses some credibility when Canelo is still rated No. 1 P4P after a loss and one place ahead of the boxer who just defeated him. And I know that some people may say that he fought out of his weight class, so it doesn't count as much. However, it was only one weight class higher and Canelo had been a world champion at light heavyweight when he defeated Kovalev. You can debate endlessly about who you think is P4P No. 1. I think you can make a legitimate case for Bivol, Golovkin, Crawford, Spence, or Usyk being P4P No. 1. However, Canelo should not be considered P4P No. 1 right now because he lost to Bivol and the same goes for Joshua because he lost to Usyk.

I'm talking about the link I sent you. I'm not talking about Boxrec's rankings. I consider them 100% irrelevant and meaningless.

[apollo creed]

According to betting odds, Anthony Joshua was rated as being 75% certain of defeating Oleksandr Usyk, with the Ukrainian underdog only given a 28% chance of victory.

Therefore, Oleksandr Usyk was considered a massive underdog when he dominated Anthony Joshua to become the unified world heavyweight champion.

Usyk also added the WBA, WBO, IBF & IBO world heavyweight titles to his undisputed cruiserweight championship straps.

In my mind, that win alone trumpts Spence Jr’s victories over Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas, in bouts he was considered the heavy betting favourite.

You're more than welcome to disagree, because it's not as if pound-for-pound rankings are that important in life.

All Usyk has is AJ. Neither of his other victories were against good opponents. Spence came back from a serious car accident to dominate Danny Garcia. Garcia was never dominated like that. After that Spence stops Ugas, who no one has ever dominated or stopped.

There’s no denying that Errol Spence Jr. is a fantastic fighter and his ability to recover from his recent serious injuries is remarkable.

However, I don’t think he’s done enough to be considered the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

In my mind Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue are more deserving candidates to be owning that status.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree, because the pound-for-pound rankings are mythical in nature and not to be taken too seriously.

Usyk, indeed deserves to be no 1 p4p.

[RScarf1]

Usyk, indeed deserves to be no 1 p4p.

If I had to pick someone, then I would say Usyk is No. 1 P4P based on his career and who he has beaten recently.

[Evander]

Are you ok

[RScarf1]

Are you ok

If you’re referring to me, yes I am. I’m going to my morning yoga class soon.

[margaret thatcher]

lol, remember this

[caldo2025]

Canelo facing Usyk is a win-win situation for the Mexican regardless the outcome.

He’ll receive a massive payday and huge kudos from fight fans regardless as to whether he wins or loses.

And as much as this may upset some people, Canelo is far more experienced and has faced superior opposition than Usyk has.

If the bout happens early next year, then Usyk will be 36 years of age, without having fought around the 200lbs mark for more than four years.

Of course, Usyk would be the favourite, but Canelo only needs to be competitive to secure his status as a dead cert all-time-great.

Imagine if this bout actually happens, there’ll inevitably be some mentally-deranged people accusing the Mexican of ducking the likes of Charlo, Andrade and Benavidez!!!

Your lover should be more concerned about a little fight…oh, coming up in just a few weeks against a guy that has already beaten him twice. Dunce School must be going well. I hope that you’re sitting up front bud.

[caldo2025]

According to betting odds, Anthony Joshua was rated as being 75% certain of defeating Oleksandr Usyk, with the Ukrainian underdog only given a 28% chance of victory.

Therefore, Oleksandr Usyk was considered a massive underdog when he dominated Anthony Joshua to become the unified world heavyweight champion.

Usyk also added the WBA, WBO, IBF & IBO world heavyweight titles to his undisputed cruiserweight championship straps.

In my mind, that win alone trumpts Spence Jr’s victories over Danny Garcia and Yordenis Ugas, in bouts he was considered the heavy betting favourite.

You're more than welcome to disagree, because it's not as if pound-for-pound rankings are that important in life.

All Usyk has is AJ. Neither of his other victories were against good opponents. Spence came back from a serious car accident to dominate Danny Garcia. Garcia was never dominated like that. After that Spence stops Ugas, who no one has ever dominated or stopped.

There’s no denying that Errol Spence Jr. is a fantastic fighter and his ability to recover from his recent serious injuries is remarkable.

However, I don’t think he’s done enough to be considered the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

In my mind Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue are more deserving candidates to be owning that status.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree, because the pound-for-pound rankings are mythical in nature and not to be taken too seriously.

Usyk and Inoue have a resume filled with nothing. Neither should be in the top 10 based on resume. Laughable. Just bc it’s a list based on opinion doesn’t mean you can just pluck anyone in and say it’s your opinion. You need to have some kind of basis for it numbnuts. Man, you just suck at this. Why can’t you just watch football and leave this stuff to the men. You belong in the kitchen with the girls and dishes while the men undo the pants and watch tv on the couch.

[Mexi-Box]

EO's assessment is laughable, as always. Breidis was on my P4P list when he met with Usyk. Bivol wasn't even on the p4p radar when he beat Canelo.

[squiggy]

Usyk and Inoue have a resume filled with nothing. Neither should be in the top 10 based on resume. Laughable. Just bc it’s a list based on opinion doesn’t mean you can just pluck anyone in and say it’s your opinion. You need to have some kind of basis for it numbnuts. Man, you just suck at this. Why can’t you just watch football and leave this stuff to the men. You belong in the kitchen with the girls and dishes while the men undo the pants and watch tv on the couch.

I mean, what about this basis: Using my eyes and basic discernment, Naoya and Usyk are both obviously exceptional fighters.

[Cent0089]

All Usyk has is AJ. Neither of his other victories were against good opponents. Spence came back from a serious car accident to dominate Danny Garcia. Garcia was never dominated like that. After that Spence stops Ugas, who no one has ever dominated or stopped.

There’s no denying that Errol Spence Jr. is a fantastic fighter and his ability to recover from his recent serious injuries is remarkable.

However, I don’t think he’s done enough to be considered the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

In my mind Oleksandr Usyk or Naoya Inoue are more deserving candidates to be owning that status.

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree, because the pound-for-pound rankings are mythical in nature and not to be taken too seriously.

Usyk and Inoue have a resume filled with nothing. Neither should be in the top 10 based on resume. Laughable. Just bc it’s a list based on opinion doesn’t mean you can just pluck anyone in and say it’s your opinion. You need to have some kind of basis for it numbnuts. Man, you just suck at this. Why can’t you just watch football and leave this stuff to the men. You belong in the kitchen with the girls and dishes while the men undo the pants and watch tv on the couch.

Lol nothing? Which 10 fighters you can put higher than Usyk? You can easily put Usyk at number 1 P4P considering Canelo took recent one sided loss