Title Defenses: Quality on Average - Heavyweights

[funso banjo baby]

Like Marciano v Louis the Lewis v Tyson was a historical marker, two different eras

[p4p1]

OK, if you think it was a dive, then people can't give it a low number and it figure it into the average. Makes no sense for Ali to be penalized.

I know it was a dive.

I don't think it was a dive but Jersey Joe fucked up everything that came after it. As you say, Ali was clearly going to win but IMO Liston got up before the referee counted to 10 and a better or more experienced ref probably wouldn't have A. Lost control of Ali in the first place and B stopped the fight because Nat Fleicher (sp?) told him to.

[p4p1]

Why is an average important? Surely five defences against 8s and 9s beats one defence against a 10?

I would think so.

The nerd in me loves how excruciatingly detailed we've gotten about all this

There must be a way of factoring in the amount of defences as well?

[gilgamesh]

Why is an average important? Surely five defences against 8s and 9s beats one defence against a 10?

I would think so.

The nerd in me loves how excruciatingly detailed we've gotten about all this

There must be a way of factoring in the amount of defences as well?

I mean you can count 'em all as we list 'em.

These threads tend to be about the quality of the challengers rather than the sheer numbers of defenses.

[gilgamesh]

OK, if you think it was a dive, then people can't give it a low number and it figure it into the average. Makes no sense for Ali to be penalized.

I know it was a dive.

I don't think it was a dive but Jersey Joe fucked up everything that came after it. As you say, Ali was clearly going to win but IMO Liston got up before the referee counted to 10 and a better or more experienced ref probably wouldn't have A. Lost control of Ali in the first place and B stopped the fight because Nat Fleicher (sp?) told him to.

I've never had any doubt whatsoever it was a dive. Nobody on Earth could ever convince me otherwise. It's as obvious as the Sun in the Sky.

[p4p1]

I would think so.

The nerd in me loves how excruciatingly detailed we've gotten about all this

There must be a way of factoring in the amount of defences as well?

I mean you can count 'em all as we list 'em.

These threads tend to be about the quality of the challengers rather than the sheer numbers of defenses.

As long as we don't do Louis because I will run out of fingers and toes.