BoxRec

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Nov 2023, 17:24 Looks like Feb 2024

Bard of Boxrec wrote: ↑17 Nov 2023, 03:11 Clearly the best fight to be made but the worst style matchup out there. I expect Usyk to win a decision in a horrifically ugly encounter

tonyevs wrote: ↑17 Nov 2023, 08:00

Bard of Boxrec wrote: ↑17 Nov 2023, 03:11 Clearly the best fight to be made but the worst style matchup out there. I expect Usyk to win a decision in a horrifically ugly encounter

Yes its going to be a very ugly fight for sure. Fury will try/do every dirty trick he knows until the referee deducts points .. as we seen against Ngannou, Fury will go as far as using blatantly using the elbows and unashamedly grabbing.

Usyk has been doing the rounds lately wooing the Saudis and the WBC ... will that give him favour to who referees the contest? the referee will decide how the fight is allowed to be fought - and ultimately the winner.

Allowed to spoil and foul Fury will win a very ugly boring contest.
Not-allowed to spoil and foul Fury will very likely get stopped late on .. or more likely disqualified to save himself the embarrassment.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 15:20 Will anyone go watch this?

Lackeos wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 05:04

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 15:20 Will anyone go watch this?

Why would any boxing fan skip this fight? Other than Crawford - Spence 1, Fury - Usyk is pretty much THE fight. Whether entertaining or not, this match-up is pretty much the ultimate culmination of the past 8 years of the heavyweight scene. Fury, Usyk, Joshua, and Wilder were the 4 guys of the era. Usyk beat Joshua twice, Fury beat Wilder twice, and this is the finals.

Lackeos wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 05:04

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 15:20 Will anyone go watch this?

Why would any boxing fan skip this fight? Other than Crawford - Spence 1, Fury - Usyk is pretty much THE fight. Whether entertaining or not, this match-up is pretty much the ultimate culmination of the past 8 years of the heavyweight scene. Fury, Usyk, Joshua, and Wilder were the 4 guys of the era. Usyk beat Joshua twice, Fury beat Wilder twice, and this is the finals.

Evander wrote: ↑22 Nov 2023, 03:39 Way it looks ...
They're going to bloom the Heavyweight division in the next 2-5 years because it's too much of an effort to promote multiple lighter weight divisions.
It's just easier to manage and the payoffs are bigger.
That's what direction I think they're going in.

Lackeos wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 05:04

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 15:20 Will anyone go watch this?

Why would any boxing fan skip this fight? Other than Crawford - Spence 1, Fury - Usyk is pretty much THE fight. Whether entertaining or not, this match-up is pretty much the ultimate culmination of the past 8 years of the heavyweight scene. Fury, Usyk, Joshua, and Wilder were the 4 guys of the era. Usyk beat Joshua twice, Fury beat Wilder twice, and this is the finals.

gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Nov 2023, 02:50

Evander wrote: ↑22 Nov 2023, 03:39 Way it looks ...
They're going to bloom the Heavyweight division in the next 2-5 years because it's too much of an effort to promote multiple lighter weight divisions.
It's just easier to manage and the payoffs are bigger.
That's what direction I think they're going in.

Need less weights and less belts. as soon as a division has a definitive champ they move up. meaning a division never has a definitive champ.... throw in controversial decisions and there is rarely a feeling of "The champ" in a division.

Honestly who s the top dog at..:

112? Dunno.
115? Dunno.
118? Dunno.
122? INOUE
126? Dunno
130? Dunno
135? Dunno
140? dunno
147? CRAW
154? Charlo? but still not sure but probably but is he going back? will he ever fight timmy tszyu? but probably.
160? Dunno
168? canelo
175? Dunno
200? Jai?
heavyweight? Dunno.

There are top dogs, but definitive top dog like inoue or craw at otherweights? not really.

I follow boxing fairly close, the fact that theres no proper proper champ in most divisions is pretty weird and makes it very unsatisfying to follow at times. So i think when that happens people (including myself) simplify. and the simplest thing is heavyweight.... cause they arnt moving up anywhere....

Finkel wrote: ↑28 Nov 2023, 06:18

gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Nov 2023, 02:50

Evander wrote: ↑22 Nov 2023, 03:39 Way it looks ...
They're going to bloom the Heavyweight division in the next 2-5 years because it's too much of an effort to promote multiple lighter weight divisions.
It's just easier to manage and the payoffs are bigger.
That's what direction I think they're going in.

Need less weights and less belts. as soon as a division has a definitive champ they move up. meaning a division never has a definitive champ.... throw in controversial decisions and there is rarely a feeling of "The champ" in a division.

Honestly who s the top dog at..:

112? Dunno.
115? Dunno.
118? Dunno.
122? INOUE
126? Dunno
130? Dunno
135? Dunno
140? dunno
147? CRAW
154? Charlo? but still not sure but probably but is he going back? will he ever fight timmy tszyu? but probably.
160? Dunno
168? canelo
175? Dunno
200? Jai?
heavyweight? Dunno.

There are top dogs, but definitive top dog like inoue or craw at otherweights? not really.

I follow boxing fairly close, the fact that theres no proper proper champ in most divisions is pretty weird and makes it very unsatisfying to follow at times. So i think when that happens people (including myself) simplify. and the simplest thing is heavyweight.... cause they arnt moving up anywhere....

Is Haney no longer the proper champion at 135 (I know he is fighting at 140 next week)? On that, isn't Teo the man at 140 after beating Taylor?

gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Nov 2023, 06:55

Finkel wrote: ↑28 Nov 2023, 06:18

gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Nov 2023, 02:50

Need less weights and less belts. as soon as a division has a definitive champ they move up. meaning a division never has a definitive champ.... throw in controversial decisions and there is rarely a feeling of "The champ" in a division.

Honestly who s the top dog at..:

112? Dunno.
115? Dunno.
118? Dunno.
122? INOUE
126? Dunno
130? Dunno
135? Dunno
140? dunno
147? CRAW
154? Charlo? but still not sure but probably but is he going back? will he ever fight timmy tszyu? but probably.
160? Dunno
168? canelo
175? Dunno
200? Jai?
heavyweight? Dunno.

There are top dogs, but definitive top dog like inoue or craw at otherweights? not really.

I follow boxing fairly close, the fact that theres no proper proper champ in most divisions is pretty weird and makes it very unsatisfying to follow at times. So i think when that happens people (including myself) simplify. and the simplest thing is heavyweight.... cause they arnt moving up anywhere....

Is Haney no longer the proper champion at 135 (I know he is fighting at 140 next week)? On that, isn't Teo the man at 140 after beating Taylor?

-Haney has the 135 belts, but is fighting 140 next week and will never go back to 135.... So its kinda semantics but i would not consider him a part of that division anymore...

Is Teo the man? he probably has the strongest argument. but was taylor really top dog when teo beat him? id say 90+% of people had catteral winning that fight... i dunno good win for haney and he might be top 140? my point is its not clear.

To be clear, im not talking about belts here... im talking about top dog. IF canelo vaccated all his 168 belts, he would still be top dog. Inoue has the same number of belts as tapas, but inoue is top dog. I just feel they move up the 2nd its established.

Mabey its semantics, mabey im over reading things, but i just feel like there is so rarely a real champ. multi belt and billion division kills it. look at the UFC, much different sport. but in the UFC if you are the champ, you just are the big dawg, and normaly you defend it till your in the GOAT conversation (at least of that weight class) befor moving up.