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gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Jan 2026, 20:14

Frostieballs wrote: ↑01 Jan 2026, 20:04

mickey1975 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025, 09:06 It's an obvious fight for him, the third best heavyweight of his era on his record.

Third best? Wilder better than Joshua?

Wilder rates ahead of Joshua to me, but barely. He could surpass him with a few more significant wins or if Wilder took a few more damaging losses.

Preferably they fight each other, and settle it that way. I'd still love to see AJ vs Fury and Wilder. Regardless of if he beats either one of them.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 05:21 Wilder had a much bigger impact on boxing. Las Vegas, Barclays Centre, Staples Centre... he was the last great American heavyweight and his fights were must see TV.

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 07:22 I think we can all forgive Usyk taking an easier fight, he’s definitely earned it and I’ll watch in the hope Wilder has enough to make it interesting for a bit although I have my doubts.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:19

joshj909 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:10

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 09:06
All the big names were there. Loads of them. No AJ.

Mike Tyson is obviously bigger than them all so that's completely unsurprising. Did you see loads of Wilder advertisements? I'd be surprised if there are Wilder advertisements anywhere but Tuscaloosa.

I meant anything to indicate he's a big name there, like all his endorsements here, Lynx, Lucozade etc. Ryan Garcia was a pretty big deal.

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:44

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 05:21 Wilder had a much bigger impact on boxing. Las Vegas, Barclays Centre, Staples Centre... he was the last great American heavyweight and his fights were must see TV.

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:49

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:44

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 05:21 Wilder had a much bigger impact on boxing. Las Vegas, Barclays Centre, Staples Centre... he was the last great American heavyweight and his fights were must see TV.

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:49

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:44

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 05:21 Wilder had a much bigger impact on boxing. Las Vegas, Barclays Centre, Staples Centre... he was the last great American heavyweight and his fights were must see TV.

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

joshj909 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:58

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:49

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:44

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Did he ever break 300k PPV buys other than against Fury? I'm not sure his attendance figures were matching Joshua's stadium figures either. How you can't see your delusion is hilarious

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:58

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:49

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:44

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:09

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:58

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:49
Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:16

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:09

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:58

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

In their 6th defence

An American Heavyweight Champion needing a female fighter to sell tickets after being a Champ for a few years. Yes, he was a HUGE ticket seller. Wildly popular here in the States.

I hope you keep trying Mickey because this is hilarious, mate.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:22

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:16

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:09
That's happened to everyone at some point.

In their 6th defence

An American Heavyweight Champion needing a female fighter to sell tickets after being a Champ for a few years. Yes, he was a HUGE ticket seller. Wildly popular here in the States.

I hope you keep trying Mickey because this is hilarious, mate.

Was Katie Taylor on any AJ undercards?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:22

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:16

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:09
That's happened to everyone at some point.

In their 6th defence

An American Heavyweight Champion needing a female fighter to sell tickets after being a Champ for a few years. Yes, he was a HUGE ticket seller. Wildly popular here in the States.

I hope you keep trying Mickey because this is hilarious, mate.

Was Katie Taylor on any AJ undercards?

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:46

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 07:22 I think we can all forgive Usyk taking an easier fight, he’s definitely earned it and I’ll watch in the hope Wilder has enough to make it interesting for a bit although I have my doubts.

If it's it LA & tickets ain't silly money I might go.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:29 Would Mickey defend Wilder this much, if it wasn't for his fights against Fury?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:09

joshj909 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:58

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:49
Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Did he ever break 300k PPV buys other than against Fury? I'm not sure his attendance figures were matching Joshua's stadium figures either. How you can't see your delusion is hilarious

You haven't answered if Benn is more successful than McKenzie.

joshj909 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 04:57

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Jan 2026, 20:14

Frostieballs wrote: ↑01 Jan 2026, 20:04

Third best? Wilder better than Joshua?

Wilder rates ahead of Joshua to me, but barely. He could surpass him with a few more significant wins or if Wilder took a few more damaging losses.

Preferably they fight each other, and settle it that way. I'd still love to see AJ vs Fury and Wilder. Regardless of if he beats either one of them.

How did you get to that conclusion?

joshj909 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:39

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:09

joshj909 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:58

Did he ever break 300k PPV buys other than against Fury? I'm not sure his attendance figures were matching Joshua's stadium figures either. How you can't see your delusion is hilarious

You haven't answered if Benn is more successful than McKenzie.

Strawman argument. Is Benn a multiple time, three belt holding world champion with several successful defences including over other world champions?

Frostieballs wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:20

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Jan 2026, 20:14

Frostieballs wrote: ↑01 Jan 2026, 20:04

Third best? Wilder better than Joshua?

Wilder rates ahead of Joshua to me, but barely. He could surpass him with a few more significant wins or if Wilder took a few more damaging losses.

Preferably they fight each other, and settle it that way. I'd still love to see AJ vs Fury and Wilder. Regardless of if he beats either one of them.

That’s a take I find very hard to understand!

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:45

joshj909 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:39

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:09
You haven't answered if Benn is more successful than McKenzie.

Strawman argument. Is Benn a multiple time, three belt holding world champion with several successful defences including over other world champions?

He's earned more, your criteria for success.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 05:21 Wilder had a much bigger impact on boxing. Las Vegas, Barclays Centre, Staples Centre... he was the last great American heavyweight and his fights were must see TV.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:09

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:58

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:49
Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 12:00

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:09

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:58

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

Amanda Serrano was popular when Wilder fought Stiverne? I wouldn't imagine she's very popular now even, let alone then.

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:34

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:46

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 07:22 I think we can all forgive Usyk taking an easier fight, he’s definitely earned it and I’ll watch in the hope Wilder has enough to make it interesting for a bit although I have my doubts.

If it's it LA & tickets ain't silly money I might go.

Bet it’ll be great atmosphere live Usyk is popular everywhere isn’t he as he’s never a nobhead

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 12:00

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 11:09

Taansend wrote: ↑02 Jan 2026, 10:58

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

Amanda Serrano was popular when Wilder fought Stiverne? I wouldn't imagine she's very popular now even, let alone then.