Amateurs who vanquished future top pros

[Controversial]

according to some other site, these were Hamed's "five" loses:


1986 European Cup U15 Light-Flyweight Finalist (Glasgow)
- Ramazi Paliani (PTS3)


1988 National U15 Light-Flyweight Championships, Third Place
- Peter Culshaw (KOT-3)

1989 European Cup U17 Light-Flyweight Finalist (Manchester)
- Ramazi Paliani (PTS3)

1990 European Cup U19 Flyweight Finalist (Costa Del Sos)
- Salim Medjkoune

1991 England-vs-Ireland Flyweight (Juniors)
- Damaen Kelly

Hmm interesting thank you. He definitely lost to Pithie as well.

[jamamb]

amateur records are often incomplete and guys often have more losses then is claimed. funny i knew of a guy who was an amateur local to me and i first hand saw him lose more times then got reported in his 'claimed' amateur record when he turned pro, and i know he lost several other times aside from the lossess i personally saw

another example is golovkin, a widely reported am record of 345-5 yet there are at least 8 losses on record for him

whose record truly impresses me is loma. i dont know if the reported 396-1 is accurate--that seems like too many fights--but i have searched his record well and in around 80 international fights that are documented i can only find that 1 loss, which he avenged multiple times. i think he must legit have an incredible win/loss record

id think boxers from generations further back would be harder to track accurately, because the ams werent docimented as throughly i dont think

[locoxelbox]

according to some other site, these were Hamed's "five" loses:


1986 European Cup U15 Light-Flyweight Finalist (Glasgow)
- Ramazi Paliani (PTS3)


1988 National U15 Light-Flyweight Championships, Third Place
- Peter Culshaw (KOT-3)

1989 European Cup U17 Light-Flyweight Finalist (Manchester)
- Ramazi Paliani (PTS3)

1990 European Cup U19 Flyweight Finalist (Costa Del Sos)
- Salim Medjkoune

1991 England-vs-Ireland Flyweight (Juniors)
- Damaen Kelly

I´m pretty sure those international losses are complete bullshit. Someone had fun imagining Hamed as an international boxer, I guess. There was nothing like a European U15/U17 Cup in those days...

[Controversial]

I´m pretty sure those international losses are complete bullshit. Someone had fun imagining Hamed as an international boxer, I guess. There was nothing like a European U15/U17 Cup in those days...

according to some other site, these were Hamed's "five" loses:


1986 European Cup U15 Light-Flyweight Finalist (Glasgow)
- Ramazi Paliani (PTS3)


1988 National U15 Light-Flyweight Championships, Third Place
- Peter Culshaw (KOT-3)

1989 European Cup U17 Light-Flyweight Finalist (Manchester)
- Ramazi Paliani (PTS3)

1990 European Cup U19 Flyweight Finalist (Costa Del Sos)
- Salim Medjkoune

1991 England-vs-Ireland Flyweight (Juniors)
- Damaen Kelly

NYboxing out of interest where did you find these? I've seen someone post a few of his amateur results and it shows Hamed beating Paliani twice, not losing to him twice?

[Nile4000]

Mitch Green beat Tyrell Biggs in 1980 Olympic Eastern Regionals by decision.

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

Yeah, complete BS as far as Hamed goes.

But he did indeed lose to Dean Pithie once.

[Scypion]

Wilbert McClure beat Jimmy Ellis in the 1960 Olympic Trials.

Leotis Martin and Johnny Persol both beat Jimmy Ellis in Golden Gloves tournaments (Tournament of Champions and Intercity Golden Gloves). Ellis avenged both Martin and Persol after they were pros.

Jimmy Ellis beat some guy then named Cassius Clay in 1957.

[Coco]

Yeah, complete BS as far as Hamed goes.

But he did indeed lose to Dean Pithie once.

Also dropped a decision to Vic Broomhead

[Nile4000]

Charles Singelton stopped James Tillis in the 2nd round of the National Golden Gloves in 1978 178 pound class.

[margaret thatcher]

There are so many unheralded guys who beat future top pros. Even for the best of them, there is a lot of learning and development and maturing to do, there are off nights, bad decisions, etc.

[enrique]

Nick Wells twice stopped Larry Holmes, stopped Leroy Jones and dusted Scott LeDoux in the first round

[margaret thatcher]

Ed Sanders is an interesting case, won olympic gold , stopping his first 3 opponents and then easily beating future world champ ingemar johanson in the final, who was scared to engage this man mountain

6'4 Ed looked so powerful and imposing winning the highest prize in amateur boxing

yet then he only managed a measly 6-2-1 pro record and died from a match at 24

[Nile4000]

Mike Ayala beat Tommy Hearns, sometime around the mid-1970s.

[Bob]

March 28, 1975 - National Golden Gloves

[Nile4000]

Thanks, Bob.

[Nile4000]

Jake Torrance, in the 1980 National Golden Gloves quaterfinals and semifinals, beat Bobby Joe Young and Milton McCrory before losing to Donald Curry in the finals.

[JamesPhilips]

This is a super interesting thread but not well worded or titled.

I mean are we only including amateurs who never went pro? Many future pros are included here as amateurs so I assume not...... but then how do we differentiate between top pros and other pros? Does that only refer to world champions losing to guys who beat them as an amateur but didn't become world champ? This thread needs clarity

[JamesPhilips]

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In what may be Byrd's most interesting, if not most pleasant, amateur result, he was once stopped (on an RSC) at 165 pounds by another future champ in Joe Calzaghe in a USA-Italy meet in December of 1992.

William Joppy lost by decision to Chris Byrd at the 1992 U.S. Olympic Trials at 165 pounds and he also fought, and defeated, Antwon Echols in the amateurs. At the 1992 Eastern U.S. Olympic Trials William scored a quarterfinal round decision over future cruiserweight contender Ravea Springs on his way to the gold medal at that tournament.

In the 156 pound final of those same 1992 Olympic Trials Raul Marquez scored a wide decision over future contender Antwun Echols, a semi-final win that week over future WBO middleweight champion Lonnie Bradley and a quarterfinal stoppage over future contender (and two-time Hopkins challenger) Robert Allen.

Another quarterfinal bout in the 156 pound class that week saw Bradley score a decision over future WBC 154 pound champion Keith Mullings.

Future heavyweight contenders David Izon (then known as David Izonretie) and David Tua met up in the 1992 Olympic semi-finals in the 201 pound division where Izon captured a decision victory.

Roy Jones scored decisions over future professional contenders and champions Derrick "Poppy Too Sweet" Rolon, NABF middleweight champion Fabian Williams, WBO junior middleweight champion Verno Phillips, Thomas Tate, Ray McElroy, WBC 168 pound champion Richie Woodhall of England (in the 88' Olympics) and Frank Liles (twice). RJ also lost decisions to Liles and Gerald McClellan.

McClellan beat Tim Littles in the finals of the 1987 U.S. national championships and defeated Roy Jones in the 1988 National Golden Gloves while losing (in other tournaments) to Thomas Tate, Frank Liles and, more than once, to Ray McElroy. Tim Littles lost three times to Liles (As pros they split two bouts) while defeating Michael Moorer twice and Antoine Byrd once at the 1985 Eastern Trials. Tim also defeated future world title challenger Dan Schommer at a mid 80's national tournament (Schommer himself had defeated the very formidable Bomani Parker in an earlier amateur event). Liles, meanwhile, defeated the likes of Jones, McClellan and Littles as an amateur. He also lost to Roy twice in subsequent rematches. It's kind of funny to think Liles defeated three powerhouses at 156 like Roy, Tim and Gerald while in 1987, at 147 pounds, he was outpointed pretty convincingly by the light punching welterweight Kenny Gould.

The Amateur Boxer, May 1987. U.S. Championships results:
"147 pounds. Frank Liles said after his match with Gould" "I just had an off day. I felt really sluggish." Well, Frank, even a gadfly might feel sluggish around Kenneth."

156 pounds: Timothy Littles of Flint is a pretty boxer but a round and a half of Gerald McClellan's straight on, no nonsense hard punching took away his cuteness and his legs. Littles impressed with his boxing skills but he eventually wilted against McClellan's murderous punching."

I was there for some of those fights including the Jones fights with Liles, McElroy, McClellan and Williams. The Jones-McClellan fight was a back and forth affair that saw RJ backed to the ropes often but he constantly fought off the ropes with great flurries of combinations. Good fight. And when Roy beat Fabian Williams I remember that Roy hit Fabian with a good shot that knocked him down and while Fabian was receiving the mandatory eight-count I was standing next to Hartford trainer Johnny Duke who told me, "If the kid (Jones) is a smart fighter then he'll come right out and go to the body right away."

Sure enough, once the action resumed Roy came right out and went right to the body with a left hand. Duke wisely explained to me afterwards that when a boxer is hurt or stunned his first reaction will be to cover his head so the guy attacking him should plan for that and go for his usually unprotected body right away. Good advice that I still use with my own boxers to this day.

Future IBF cruiserweight champion Al "Ice" Cole beat Michael Moorer once at 165 pounds and won one of three bouts at 178 with 1988 Olympic Gold Medalist Andrew Maynard. Cole also beat Bomani Parker in the 1988 Olympic Trials at 178 but lost in earlier competitions to the spectacular amateur trio of 165 pound stars Darin Allen, William Guthrie (he actually defeated Guthrie once in three or four tries) and Anthony Hembrick. Also at 165 pounds, Cole defeated future WBO title challenger (to Chris Eubanks) Dan Schommer and future WBO 175 pound champion Leonzer Barber.

Joe Calzaghe never fought for Italy

[JamesPhilips]

Serik Konakbayev Stopped Azumah Nelson in 2 and also beat Don Curry on points

[864360]

Dean Guthery beat Charles Shufford in 1995 at the Golden Glove Regionals in Vegas. Shufford turned pro not long after, and later fought for the World Heavy Weight title against Klitschko.

[margaret thatcher]

nice stuff man

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Frankie Randall beat Vinny Pazienza at the 1982 USA/ABF nationals