Corrie Sanders -How really good was he or could have been?

[crusader]

What is the fascination with this guy?
He had limited talent. Fast hands? What is that all about?
He spent almost his whole career fighting tomato cans. He supposed to be a big puncher but his only notable ko was against W. Klitschko who had a glass jaw.

He obviously had numerous and pronounced flaws, and the fascination is a bit.....interesting. However, he clearly looked to have good mix of speed and power from what I've seen, and despite generally fighting crap he managed to hurt all of the world class opponents he fought, buzzing iron-chinned Vitali worse than anyone has (excluding kickboxing), running through Wlad like no one has, and having Rahman down, all over the place at times, and needing to grab the ropes to stay up. I've also seen Rahman quoted as saying after the fight that no one hit him like Sanders did (and he had already fought Tua by that point) and it wouldn't surprise me if that were true.

[Caractacus]

And who else fought quite ike him that you would know of ?
I just wonder what his training regime was during his career.

[Ambling Alp II]

Don't get the fascination all.
Why do people think he was fast?
How was he unique?
He had a few interesting fights in a career but really there have been tons of guys who had more.
For the most part his competition was a joke.
His training? He didn't look like he trained much at all.

As crusader touched on, the fascination with him is ... interesting.

[BoxBuzz]

Fact.....

He would have been able to KO Tiger Flowers AND Tiger Woods AND shoot an African Tiger on the same night.

They don't make 'em any better than that!

[Caractacus]

Don't get the fascination all.
Why do people think he was fast?
How was he unique?
He had a few interesting fights in a career but really there have been tons of guys who had more.
For the most part his competition was a joke.
His training? He didn't look like he trained much at all.

As crusader touched on, the fascination with him is ... interesting.

sort of reminds me of this song.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSwg59g84Rw

[gregor]

Don't get the fascination all.
He had a few interesting fights in a career but really there have been tons of guys who had more.
For the most part his competition was a joke.
His training? He didn't look like he trained much at all.

This is what makes it interesting. Yes, his opposition was generally mediocre (not counting losses), and Wlad was supposed to have an easy night with him. Instead, he demolished Wlad quickly... and almost knocked down his brother (without training).

I think "styles makes fights" describes his career properly. Stylewise, he would be always difficult for Klitschko brothers... but with poor stamina and lack of dedication he would not be able to achieve much more than he already did. I can understand he looked out of shape when he was semi-retired against Wlad, but I could not believe he was even more out of shape against Vitali when he had the possibility to make history by defeating both Klitschos.

[Caractacus]

..and in my opinion,here is what may have happened if "Team Tyson" had chosen Corrie Sanders for their first comeback opponent
instead of Peter Mc Neeley.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5YwEv8kD_k

[Ambling Alp II]

Surely you jest.

[drunkenpiper36]

He was an excellent talent who's potential was wasted. Anyone who watches his earlier fights as a prospect can see how fluid and skilled he was, but most choose to judge his abilities on what the late deconditioned version looked like.

[Caractacus]

Surely you jest.

No I dont jest and dont call me Surely.

BTW anyone know how Mike Tyson fared against Southpaws ?
I do know that George Foreman avoided them dating back to him being seriously clocked
and almost out on his feet by a punch from the Romanian Heavyweight Ione Alexe
back in the 1968 Olympics.
just wondering.

[Ambling Alp II]

He was an excellent talent who's potential was wasted. Anyone who watches his earlier fights as a prospect can see how fluid and skilled he was, but most choose to judge his abilities on what the late deconditioned version looked like.

I did hear he looked pretty fluid in the first round against the legendary Nate Tubbs before being knocked out in the second round.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tyson had an excellent chin, straight out of prison he stops Sanders as soon as Corrie gets tired. So 5 minutes or so.

[Bodyshot3]

Always the same litany of unanswered questions left with Corrie...it remains a career of "what ifs" despite the Wlad win...and that is why he continues to intrigue and frustrate folk in equal measure.

In fact the Wlad win almost annoys some folk; you could do that at that age, nearly semi-retired and away from home!
So what the hell were you doing in your prime years?

[Caractacus]

He was an excellent talent who's potential was wasted. Anyone who watches his earlier fights as a prospect can see how fluid and skilled he was, but most choose to judge his abilities on what the late deconditioned version looked like.

I did hear he looked pretty fluid in the first round against the legendary Nate Tubbs before being knocked out in the second round.

But you could just tell that something was bothering Sanders going into that fight.
(he looked uncharactoristly hesitatent like he had the case of the squirts or something)
and he was knocked out by one of the more bizarre punches ever.
sort of reminded me of a punch you see in hockey game when someone is against the partion.

[drunkenpiper36]

He was an excellent talent who's potential was wasted. Anyone who watches his earlier fights as a prospect can see how fluid and skilled he was, but most choose to judge his abilities on what the late deconditioned version looked like.

I did hear he looked pretty fluid in the first round against the legendary Nate Tubbs before being knocked out in the second round.

He really did!! And if you watched any number of his earlier bouts you'd see he looked pretty good in a lot of those as well. You just have to watch though. That means turning off family guy, putting the Rubix cube away and tuning into YouTube for maybe 60-90 minutes. You can do it. I have faith in you.

[Ambling Alp II]

A lot of guys look good against stiffs in fights in which they can do just about anything they want. You can really tell how a good a fighter is when he takes on good competition.

Don't watch Family guy and haven't done Rubix Cube in about 30 years.

[Ambling Alp II]

He was an excellent talent who's potential was wasted. Anyone who watches his earlier fights as a prospect can see how fluid and skilled he was, but most choose to judge his abilities on what the late deconditioned version looked like.

I did hear he looked pretty fluid in the first round against the legendary Nate Tubbs before being knocked out in the second round.

But you could just tell that something was bothering Sanders going into that fight.
(he looked uncharactoristly hesitatent like he had the case of the squirts or something)
and he was knocked out by one of the more bizarre punches ever.
sort of reminded me of a punch you see in hockey game when someone is against the partion.

Often interesting to see the excuses people can come up with for fighters that they like. Of course, it never seems to occur to them to consider excuses for the opponents.

[drunkenpiper36]

You can really tell how a good a fighter is when he takes on good competition.

Like Wladimir Klitschko perhaps?

[Ambling Alp II]

Well, first of all I don't think Klitschko was that good and have said so many times. The great Ross Purrity stopped him as did Lamon Brewster. Samuel Peter almost did. Don't see too many people saying they were really good fighters like people do with Sanders.

However, it is fair to say that Sanders looked good in that fight. Still, he only had really three fights in his career that were against top fighters of his era. The other two were against the other Kltischko and Rahman. Both of them had severe limitations but each still stopped Sanders.

He spent most of the rest of his career fighting weak competition. The other wins are almost meaningless when trying to make a case that he was a really good fighter. You simply don't have to be that good to beat the fighters that Sanders beat. Getting ko'd by Nate Tubbs is pretty embarrassing and severely hurts his case as well.

I can see why someone would be a fan of his. That's fine. I like other fighters throughout boxing history who were far from legends. However, what is silly is to think that Sanders was actually that good. He simply wasn't.

[pound per pound]

Well, first of all I don't think Klitschko was that good and have said so many times. The great Ross Purrity stopped him as did Lamon Brewster. Samuel Peter almost did. Don't see too many people saying they were really good fighters like people do with Sanders.

However, it is fair to say that Sanders looked good in that fight. Still, he only had really three fights in his career that were against top fighters of his era. The other two were against the other Kltischko and Rahman. Both of them had severe limitations but each still stopped Sanders.

He spent most of the rest of his career fighting weak competition. The other wins are almost meaningless when trying to make a case that he was a really good fighter. You simply don't have to be that good to beat the fighters that Sanders beat. Getting ko'd by Nate Tubbs is pretty embarrassing and severely hurts his case as well.

I can see why someone would be a fan of his. That's fine. I like other fighters throughout boxing history who were far from legends. However, what is silly is to think that Sanders was actually that good. He simply wasn't.

The thread asks how good could he have been. I think excellent. A 6'4" southpaw with fast hands, and fast feet. Give him a better trainer and promoter with connections, and he could have been special. Too bad he had neither. Sanders, if he was in shape would have beaten Rhaman, and that was the best version of Rhaman who KO'd Lennox Lewis.

No one beat Wlad the way Sanders did. Wlad gassed vs Purrity and Brewster.

[Bodyshot3]

The thread asks how good could he have been. I think excellent. A 6'4" southpaw with fast hands, and fast feet. Give him a better trainer and promoter with connections, and he could have been special. Too bad he had neither. Sanders, if he was in shape would have beaten Rhaman, and that was the best version of Rhaman who KO'd Lennox Lewis.

No one beat Wlad the way Sanders did. Wlad gassed vs Purrity and Brewster.

Exactly

[SaadOffTheDeck]

His hands weren't nearly as fast as people make them out to be and his feet were rather slow.

[Caractacus]

His hands weren't nearly as fast as people make them out to be and his feet were rather slow.

Bobby Cyz is that you ?
can you spell S-O-R-E-L-O-S-E-R ?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

His hands weren't nearly as fast as people make them out to be and his feet were rather slow.

Bobby Cyz is that you ?
can you spell S-O-R-E-L-O-S-E-R ?

I can try, caractacus?

[gilgamesh]

Sanders main problem is he didn't have the dedication to get in peak shape a lot of the shape. He had a big punch, but poor stamina and an unwillingness to work on it.

He did about as well as he could've ever done I figure, and his win over Wladimir who went on to have such a solid reign as Heavyweight Champion is a real good win for a fighter like Sanders.