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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Nov 2020, 14:23 apparently his record is 1000-0

same as most of these type of dudes..

Good to see a topic can get re ignited and discussed after 7 years ha. I was actually watching that documentary on sykes.. Think he was a bum bandit btw. Made look for discussion forums on here on him. Came across this thread. Interesting comments. Then I saw someone mention Graham Brett like he deserved a book written about him lol. Coincidence I thought I knew the guy so joined the discussion. General consensus I think these types are all the same and someone rightfully said previously.. Frustrated closet homosexuals who never had the balls to come out.. Liked getting landed back in jail time after time so they can get themselves some fresh easy meat behind closed doors. Alot of male bullies have that quality about them lol

I was at Elland Road in 92 when Manners chinned him, I was young, and didn’t see the incident but can safely say all the real men there didn’t give a toss he was mouthing off ringside, contrary to what the books say.

He spent time in Boro too but was run out of town by the Hard Men.

MasterG wrote: ↑24 Nov 2020, 08:42 He spent time in Boro too but was run out of town by the Hard Men.

Probably old wives tales. The Kray twins got ran out of every town in England according to the books. Whatever people say about Sykes, he was far from a walkover when he was sober.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2020, 08:51

MasterG wrote: ↑24 Nov 2020, 08:42 He spent time in Boro too but was run out of town by the Hard Men.

Probably old wives tales. The Kray twins got ran out of every town in England according to the books. Whatever people say about Sykes, he was far from a walkover when he was sober.

i remember reading the quality street gang put the krays on the next train home in manchester.

Southerners

I have seen the documentary about Sykes several years ago. I am a bit shocked more than anything. Never met anybody like him in Liverpool, Manchester or London.
Newcastle was a bit different, though
Maybe in the Canaries as well

Steveh583 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2020, 10:06

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2020, 08:51

MasterG wrote: ↑24 Nov 2020, 08:42 He spent time in Boro too but was run out of town by the Hard Men.

Probably old wives tales. The Kray twins got ran out of every town in England according to the books. Whatever people say about Sykes, he was far from a walkover when he was sober.

i remember reading the quality street gang put the krays on the next train home in manchester.

That was a crock of shite has well , Who really believes the Krays would catch a train to Manchester , they would of been chaufered

You hear the same about every major city and even some towns.

I was working with a lad from wigan once who told the same story but about wigan

You can imagine that conversation can't you?

"Ere reg.....no one aint ever gunna take us seriously until we take over fackin wigan"

chiggsy wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 05:22 You hear the same about every major city and even some towns.

I was working with a lad from wigan once who told the same story but about wigan

You can imagine that conversation can't you?

"Ere reg.....no one aint ever gunna take us seriously until we take over fackin wigan"

They maybe got a regional train, only 20 minutes, after been run out of Manchester. Didn’t want to waste the journey. They’d already been seen off in Liverpool and Newcastle....

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 07:12

chiggsy wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 05:22 You hear the same about every major city and even some towns.

I was working with a lad from wigan once who told the same story but about wigan

You can imagine that conversation can't you?

"Ere reg.....no one aint ever gunna take us seriously until we take over fackin wigan"

They maybe got a regional train, only 20 minutes, after been run out of Manchester. Didn’t want to waste the journey. They’d already been seen off in Liverpool and Newcastle....

The Krays weren't too sharp anyway. All of the old lot who are still alive or just recently passed have been putting the boot into them for years now, saying they were both mad, and pissed all the time, thick and crap businessmen. They would just find out when another villain had put some work in and then go and frighten the hell out of them for some money. They were completely homicidal and lived in a fantasy world where they wanted to kill everybody and the gang around them (a "scruffy little firm" according to Albert Reading, who was Reggie's minder: one of the main ones to grass them up in the end- he said because the twins expecting him to take the wrap for one of the murders for them) apparently pretended to do the things that Ronnie ordered and hope he'd forget about them. There's a story in Roy Shaw's book where Ronnie visits him in Broadmoor and asks if there's anything that needs to be done, and Shaw tells him that his wife has been seeing some poor bloke who works in a market and Reggie has him shot. Then years later I read another book (I think Reading's one) where they say Ronnie orders them to shoot this bloke from the market for "his mate in Broadmoor" and they decide between them that its out of order seeing as the poor woman deserves her own life and so they just lie and tell Ronnie that they did it and eventually he just forgets about it.

Any cockney over 60 minded their guns or knew them well allegedly

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 07:12

chiggsy wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 05:22 You hear the same about every major city and even some towns.

I was working with a lad from wigan once who told the same story but about wigan

You can imagine that conversation can't you?

"Ere reg.....no one aint ever gunna take us seriously until we take over fackin wigan"

They maybe got a regional train, only 20 minutes, after been run out of Manchester. Didn’t want to waste the journey. They’d already been seen off in Liverpool and Newcastle....

don't forget Birmingham mate

Peaky Blinders saw them off at New Street

MasterG wrote: ↑24 Nov 2020, 08:42 He spent time in Boro too but was run out of town by the Hard Men.

Boro's Graham O'Malley was a hard man in the ring (never floored, never stopped) but he seemed to be well liked by everyone. His death in 2018 from the awful Motor Neurone Disease sparked a lot of genuine sorrow. He even made the front page of the local newspaper.

asmund wrote: ↑24 Nov 2020, 19:27 Newcastle was a bit different, though

Sykes would have been a great character in Viz.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Nov 2020, 14:23 apparently his record is 1000-0

They are all bull sh*tters who reckon they were never beaten, he has nothing on me anyway, I'm 2000-0

I wonder if the twins had a rail card.

Cyclops wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:17

asmund wrote: ↑24 Nov 2020, 19:27 Newcastle was a bit different, though

Sykes would have been a great character in Viz.

Biffa Bacons dad

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:26 I wonder if the twins had a rail card.

All of the Twin's known victims were actual genuinely hard men, and the twins just had them shot or stabbed to death. Frank Mitchell was the Paul Sykes/Roy Shaw/Charlie Bronson/Lee Duffy/Danny Gee (insert whatever name you like) of his time - the most dangerous, feared uncontrollable prisoner in the system. He was an abnormally strong giant in his time and would pick up guards and just squeeze them until he cracked their ribs he was so strong. The Krays sprung him from prison and had him in a safe house and then, when they released they couldn't control him, got Freddie Foreman to shoot him.

Anybody who thinks a similar fate wouldn't have awaited Sykes when dealing with nutters like them is just too caught up in the North-South thing. Everybody is mortal and the Krays were both about 5'8", thick, mad and gay and they wouldn't bother fighting people. They'd just murder them or get somebody else to do it for them.

high tower 1 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:43

Cyclops wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:17

asmund wrote: ↑24 Nov 2020, 19:27 Newcastle was a bit different, though

Sykes would have been a great character in Viz.

Biffa Bacons dad

I'm imagining him fighting the Pathetic Sharks.

Cyclops wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:45

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:26 I wonder if the twins had a rail card.

All of the Twin's known victims were actual genuinely hard men, and the twins just had them shot or stabbed to death. Frank Mitchell was the Paul Sykes/Roy Shaw/Charlie Bronson/Lee Duffy/Danny Gee (insert whatever name you like) of his time - the most dangerous, feared uncontrollable prisoner in the system. He was an abnormally strong giant in his time and would pick up guards and just squeeze them until he cracked their ribs he was so strong. The Krays sprung him from prison and had him in a safe house and then, when they released they couldn't control him, got Freddie Foreman to shoot him.

Anybody who thinks a similar fate wouldn't have awaited Sykes when dealing with nutters like them is just too caught up in the North-South thing. Everybody is mortal and the Krays were both about 5'8", thick, mad and gay and they wouldn't bother fighting people. They'd just murder them or get somebody else to do it for them.

Duffy would have to be killed. He was 26 and terrified everyone.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:26 I wonder if the twins had a rail card.

Jimmy Saville did! He was on all the British Rail adverts back in the day.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:58

Cyclops wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:45

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:26 I wonder if the twins had a rail card.

All of the Twin's known victims were actual genuinely hard men, and the twins just had them shot or stabbed to death. Frank Mitchell was the Paul Sykes/Roy Shaw/Charlie Bronson/Lee Duffy/Danny Gee (insert whatever name you like) of his time - the most dangerous, feared uncontrollable prisoner in the system. He was an abnormally strong giant in his time and would pick up guards and just squeeze them until he cracked their ribs he was so strong. The Krays sprung him from prison and had him in a safe house and then, when they released they couldn't control him, got Freddie Foreman to shoot him.

Anybody who thinks a similar fate wouldn't have awaited Sykes when dealing with nutters like them is just too caught up in the North-South thing. Everybody is mortal and the Krays were both about 5'8", thick, mad and gay and they wouldn't bother fighting people. They'd just murder them or get somebody else to do it for them.

Duffy would have to be killed. He was 26 and terrified everyone.

I bought an atrociously written book about him and Viv Graham years and years ago and he looks like a 12 year old who fell into a vat of toxic waste in the photos. fornicating really dangerous, weird looking absolute unit. Of course, like you said, someone would have to kill him and naturally they did: although apparently it took a few goes.

Cyclops wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 10:12

mickey1975 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:58

Cyclops wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 08:45
All of the Twin's known victims were actual genuinely hard men, and the twins just had them shot or stabbed to death. Frank Mitchell was the Paul Sykes/Roy Shaw/Charlie Bronson/Lee Duffy/Danny Gee (insert whatever name you like) of his time - the most dangerous, feared uncontrollable prisoner in the system. He was an abnormally strong giant in his time and would pick up guards and just squeeze them until he cracked their ribs he was so strong. The Krays sprung him from prison and had him in a safe house and then, when they released they couldn't control him, got Freddie Foreman to shoot him.

Anybody who thinks a similar fate wouldn't have awaited Sykes when dealing with nutters like them is just too caught up in the North-South thing. Everybody is mortal and the Krays were both about 5'8", thick, mad and gay and they wouldn't bother fighting people. They'd just murder them or get somebody else to do it for them.

Duffy would have to be killed. He was 26 and terrified everyone.

I bought an atrociously written book about him and Viv Graham years and years ago and he looks like a 12 year old who fell into a vat of toxic waste in the photos. fornicating really dangerous, weird looking absolute unit. Of course, like you said, someone would have to kill him and naturally they did: although apparently it took a few goes.

That’ll be Steve Richards books. He’s ripped everyone off now.
Jamie Boyle has some out, but he’s not flavour of the month either.
I never met Duffy, I’ve asked about him a few times. A traveler , and hard man in his own right, when I asked if Duffy was as good as they say replied “no, better “
Don’t forget they’re extremely rough areas. South Bank is not a nice place.