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Pureist wrote:Wow, it seems you were wrong and the imbecile all this time, now crawl away with your tail between your legs sulking

Lol.

You literally compared ggg's resume to Floyd's but I'm the troll.

GGG has had 34 pro fights so the only logical way to do a comparison is by looking at floyds first 34 fights and yes you are the troll

Pureist wrote:GGG has had 34 pro fights so the only logical way to do a comparison is by looking at floyds first 34 fights and yes you are the troll

*sigh* I'll humor you.

-34th fight Arturo Gatti:

Floyd knocks out the WBC super lightweight champ gatti. Gatti had won his last five fighta (2 ko). He lands 57% of his punches to gatti's 17%. He was ahead on all three scorecards. It was sold out and both fighters earned $3 million.

How much did ggg earn in his 34th fight? Oh that's right, 100k...against lemiux the punching bag.

-32nd fight Corley

Completely schools and shuts out corley a seasoned southpaw in his prime with only 2 losses. Knocks him down twice and again earns millions.

How many south paws in their prime did ggg beat?

32nd fight for ggg is against Martin murray who only had one loss. Not bad but the guy had a pathetic 39% k.o rate. I'm notic in a pattern where many of his opponents lack the sting to keep him off them. Murray did have a significant 3 inch reach and 2 inch height advantage so I'll give him that much.

-30th fight sosa. Sosa had won 5 (ALL by knockout) of his last six fights with only 1 draw. Geale also won five but all except 1 were by decision and lost 1 decision. Geale had a 50% KO rate to sosa's 67%. So even in his earlier fights mayweather beat guys that hist harder than ggg's opponents and sosa was coming off an impressive ko streak.

-28th and 29th fights:

Wbc title on the line. Castillo is in his prime with a devasrating 81% k.o rate. Beats castillo ud in 12 both times. Castillo tells the press "I never felt I did anything this time" so even if you ignore the official ruling in the first fight, castillo flat out admits he was schooled the 2nd time.

Oh and he earned millions these fight too.

In ggg's 28th fight he fought for the middleweight title against curtis stevens. Ggg enjoyed a 3 1/2 inch height advantage. Stevens didn't put up much of a fight. 29th fight he beats odama. Odama earned his shot at ggg by beating brewer (guy with a whopping 14 losses) carrasquillo (guy with 24 losses dear lord) and lost to Daniel Geale in the fight before that.

It's not just about who you beat, it's about who they beat.

-27th fight chavez. Mayweather knocks out the heavy hitting young chavez who only has one decision loss. Chavez knocked out 5 of his last six opponents with 1 decision win.

Ggg's 27th fight is...macklin. 31 years old, lost 2 of his last 6 fights including a KO loss. Only had 1 k.o in his previous fight with only 1 ud and a couple very close decisions.

-18th fight hernandez WBC super featherweight title

Veteran hernandez who only had one loss, had a 3 inch height advantage, and had been in more than twice as many fights as Floyd

In ggg's glorious 18th professional bout...he fought a southpaw guy with 10 fights. Not bad, but he had way more experience. not as good as a world title fight against a veteran with one loss and twice as many fights. No comparison.

-10th fight Leija. The complete opposite of ggg's 18th professional fight. Leija already had 22 fights under his belt with only 3 losses and a 64% k.o rate. In his 10th fight ggg fought a guy with 8 losses and a pathetic 39% k.o rate. No comparison.

I could go on but I think we're getting the picture here.

10th fight goes to mayweather, no question.

18th fights goes to mayweather, no question mayweather beats veteran with 1 loss for a title, ggg beats a no name bum in germany.

27th fight goes to mayweather, no question at all.

28th and 29th also mayweather. He was fighting blockbuster pay per view fights with the legendary cadtillo earning millions. Ggg fought sitting duck Stevens earning a couple hundred thousands and some bum named adama. He was an 85:1 favorite, dear lord...even Tyson Douglass wasn't that bad. Adam didn't even have the right corner men show up. A complete mess.

-30th fight is a little close, but mayweather edges it. Sosa was on a KO streak no losses when may beat him, ggg's opponent Geale had a loss and several decision wins before his fight.

-32nd is kind of close but I think it goes to mayweather. A young southpaw in his 20's with 52% KO rate> 32 year old tall rangey fighter with no power ar all.

34th fight goes to ggg. You could argue lemiux got the crap beat out of him just as bad as gatti but I'm being generous since lemiux at least had a good chin, was in his prime, and had very good punching power.

So taking 7 random fights from Mayweather's first 34 and he STILL had undoubtedly had a better resume than ggg. Hilarious. You had to nerf him with some bs rule "ggg hasnt had as many fights" and look how that turned out. I give ggg 1, mayne 2 if I'm being very generous and mayweather still is ahead 5:2 no matter how you look at it. If you add mayweathers more revent fights it's not even remotely close, but you already knew that.

Very convenient "random" selection. Just count total wins and losses of the first 34 opponents and compare.

The fight was billed as "Thunder & Lightning."
Gatti's purse was $3.5 million, and Mayweather's was $3.2 million.
This was the first time Mayweather headlined a pay-per-view event. It generated 340,000 buys and $15.3 million in revenue.
Before the fight, HBO analyst Max Kellerman called this the biggest pay-per-view mismatch since Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson. ..........Start at gatti eh, that is a snippet straight from boxrec archives, fact of the matter is Floyd waited very often for opponents to be on a slide downthe other side of the hill, do you agree Castillo beat Floyd in their first fight?

Cygnus475 wrote:Name one boxer he fought who had the advantage in any of these categories:

-size
-speed
-ring iq
-power
-chin
-experience
-stamina

Thats how you win a boxing match, by being better than your opponent. Im not saying he's fought an Eliete fighter, but "any of those categories" - ok...

Hes fought bigger guys - Martin Murray is abouy 3" taller and had reach advantage
He will have fought faster fighters. GGG isnt amazingly quick just frighteningly precise
Ring IQ - GGG has one of best "Ring IQ" in the business. 345-5 as an amateur for starters
Power - C'mon, he's rated hardest middleweight puncher of all time (highest KO percentage of all time). Even without that stat you can see hes one of hardest hitters p4p in the sport.
Chin - one of p4p best chins in the sport, never been down am or pro so again unsurprising
Experience - how many active fighters, across all weights have more experience? Epic amateur career, and 34 pro fights, half of those world title fights and has fought on every continent.
Stamina - No idea what his stamina is like, pretty sure someone like Lemieux was fitter?

Pureist wrote:The fight was billed as "Thunder & Lightning."
Gatti's purse was $3.5 million, and Mayweather's was $3.2 million.
This was the first time Mayweather headlined a pay-per-view event. It generated 340,000 buys and $15.3 million in revenue.
Before the fight, HBO analyst Max Kellerman called this the biggest pay-per-view mismatch since Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson. ..........Start at gatti eh, that is a snippet straight from boxrec archives, fact of the matter is Floyd waited very often for opponents to be on a slide downthe other side of the hill, do you agree Castillo beat Floyd in their first fight?

1-I ALREADY SAID LEMIUX WAS A BETTER WIN THAN GATTI YOU IMBECILE, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? Mayweather has the advantage over ggg in the six other fights I went over.

2-No, Floyd won a very close fight and completely dominated the second.

Very convenient "random" selection. Just count total wins and losses of the first 34 opponents and compare.

Go ahead

It doesn't matter though. I just demonstrated picking seven random fights that mayweather consistently picked guys who had won their most recent fights, were young, strong, and had decent power or size advantages even early on (in contrast, glancing at ggg's opponents he often had the advantage in size, power, experience, etc). You fanboys NEED to only focus on the first 34 fights and ignore the most recent ones because you KNOW there is no comparison if you include all his fights.

But I'm the troll...

Hes fought bigger guys - Martin Murray is abouy 3" taller and had reach advantage
He will have fought faster fighters. GGG isnt amazingly quick just frighteningly precise
Ring IQ - GGG has one of best "Ring IQ" in the business. 345-5 as an amateur for starters
Power - C'mon, he's rated hardest middleweight puncher of all time (highest KO percentage of all time). Even without that stat you can see hes one of hardest hitters p4p in the sport.
Chin - one of p4p best chins in the sport, never been down am or pro so again unsurprising
Experience - how many active fighters, across all weights have more experience? Epic amateur career, and 34 pro fights, half of those world title fights and has fought on every continent.
Stamina - No idea what his stamina is like, pretty sure someone like Lemieux was fitter?

Lol so out of 34 opponents you can name 2, Murray and lemiuex, who had one or two advantages over ggg at best..?

All those interesting stats you listed are exactly why he has a big question mark hovering over his resume. If he's such an elite badass then at the age of 34 he should be a unified future HOF monster with 2-3 weight classes under his belt. Either he had the WORST managers in the world or his competition hasn't been that great. George Chuvalo had some of the worst management and yet by age 34 he had TWO shots for the title against the mayweather of the 70's Ali and had also been in their with superstars quarry, foreman, frazier, etc. Wtf is wrong with ggg's promoters and managers?

Trust me I do not hate the guy, I would love to see him in more block buster ppv fights as much as the next guy but I'm not buying this elite boxing God talk until I see better scalps.

See this is why your a troll, you make a fairytale in your mind and just make up the rest, his first headliner as a PPV was against gatti as the snippet from boxrec quotes but according to your feeble mind he was fighting blockbuster PPVs earning millions in his 28 & 29 fight,, if you think floyd won the first fight against Castillo then that tells me about your knowledge, the BIGGEST floyd fanboy on this forum, 49&0, kbb, brut, whatever you want to remember him by even agrees wholeheartedly that floyd lost that fight, not even close, you didn't say the Lemieux win was better than gatti, you gave that one being generous, what about floyds early fights, 7 tony Duran 12/15/1-------9 Jesus Chavez 1/13/1------- 11 Felipe Garcia 14/18/1, they really aren't outstanding records, as for only doing the first 34 fights, that's because that's how many pro fights GGG has had, you forget that GGG is still active whereas floyd is retired, time will tell who ends up better, floyds record will be broken by chocolatto in the near future anyway

Pureist wrote:See this is why your a troll, you make a fairytale in your mind and just make up the rest, his first headliner as a PPV was against gatti as the snippet from boxrec quotes but according to your feeble mind he was fighting blockbuster PPVs earning millions in his 28 & 29 fight,, if you think floyd won the first fight against Castillo then that tells me about your knowledge, the BIGGEST floyd fanboy on this forum, 49&0, kbb, brut, whatever you want to remember him by even agrees wholeheartedly that floyd lost that fight, not even close, you didn't say the Lemieux win was better than gatti, you gave that one being generous, what about floyds early fights, 7 tony Duran 12/15/1-------9 Jesus Chavez 1/13/1------- 11 Felipe Garcia 14/18/1, they really aren't outstanding records, as for only doing the first 34 fights, that's because that's how many pro fights GGG has had, you forget that GGG is still active whereas floyd is retired, time will tell who ends up better, floyds record will be broken by chocolatto in the near future anyway

Mate, this fool isn't a fight fan, he loved statistics, any goose who claims to be a fight fan then spends a fair chunk of their waking life on a bixing forum bagging out Pacquiaou/Golovkin/DeLaHoya/Mayweather Jr etc. isn't a fan of boxing but a fucken halfwit with no idea, if that arseclown also refers to Golovkin as "little g" or Mayweather as "Gayweather or DeLaHoya as "fishnets" (although DeLaHoya did bring that on himself in a hilarious fashion) then not only are they not a true fan of fighting, they are also a disrespectful scumbag with no appreciation of the amount of work a fighter puts in, the sacrifices a fighter makes and the risks a fighter takes in order to entertain people.

You are banging your head against the wall trying to argue with a lowlife like this idiot. I recomend the adage 'don't feed the troll'.

Oh, and here's this idiot, calling Golovkin '97k' bagging Golovkin in reference to Golovkin's 150 000 pay per view figures, after selling out Madison Square Gardenfor the same fight, in his first ever pay per view fight against Lemuix yet then puts up Mayweather's "super fight" against Gatti and boasts that Mayweather sold only 300 000 PPV's for this unification "super fight".

Once again, Golovkin sold 150 000 PPV's as well SELLING OUT MADDISON SQUARE GARDEN, a fantastic effort that I doubt any of us have ever done and Mayweather Jr. sold 300 000 PPV's in his "super fight" unification bout against Gatti, also a fantastic effort that I doubt any of us have achieved. What a fucken nob!?

OK you can believe whatever you retards want to to believe. Keep jacking off to ggg posters. I have used absolutely nothing but facts and every single time you only respond with pure emotion or nitpick one little detail and go on ridiculous tangents.

Let me know when ggg hits a million bucks in ppv buys and isn't fighting some bum half his size.

Cygnus475 wrote:OK you can believe whatever you retards want to to believe. Keep jacking off to ggg posters. I have used absolutely nothing but facts and every single time you only respond with pure emotion or nitpick one little detail and go on ridiculous tangents.

Let me know when ggg hits a million bucks in ppv buys and isn't fighting some bum half his size.

Ou are a fucken joke, an idiot beyond all belief, first of all, GGG is a small middleweight, he is often fighting larger fighters, as was Mayweather Jr. Second of all, I think selling out Maddison Square Garden would earn way, way in excess of a million dollars, hence Golovkin and Lemuix getting payed way, way more than a million dollars each, you idiot

It's good to expose the trolls, this one is a marshmallow keyboard warrior

Pureist wrote:It's good to expose the trolls, this one is a marshmallow keyboard warrior

And he claims he boxed Getting hit in the face by the floor-to-ceiling ball in a boxacise class doesn't make one a boxer.

Cygnus475 wrote:OK you can believe whatever you retards want to to believe. Keep jacking off to ggg posters. I have used absolutely nothing but facts and every single time you only respond with pure emotion or nitpick one little detail and go on ridiculous tangents.

Let me know when ggg hits a million bucks in ppv buys and isn't fighting some bum half his size.

What's 150 000 PPV's @ $40 a buy in value, $6 000 000? Let's have it at 97 000 buys, what's the value of that, $3 880 000? What an arseclown!

That's what we pay, the states are more expensive for their PPV

I'm reading this thread, watching Cygnus school folks who idiotically try to compare lil g's very pedestrian resume to Floyd's HOF career and I realize some folks just can't accept the truth.

What I just alluded to is the only thing you need to keep in mind.

Ask yourself the question: if lil g's career was over right now, would he make the Hall?

To me, the answer is no.

At best, it is barely and after a pretty long wait.

He doesn't even qualify as far as excitement. Yes, we true fans know not to miss any of his fights, but he is nowhere near the kind of general popularity that would put him in the Hall despite a decent but unspectacular resume.

Well done, Cygnus, in pointing out what any objective person can see- lil g's record is very good but not great yet. Not one elite name on it and a fight with a junior middleweight might not be enough to change that.

koolkc107 wrote:I'm reading this thread, watching Cygnus school folks who idiotically try to compare lil g's very pedestrian resume to Floyd's HOF career and I realize some folks just can't accept the truth.

What I just alluded to is the only thing you need to keep in mind.

Ask yourself the question: if lil g's career was over right now, would he make the Hall?

To me, the answer is no.

At best, it is barely and after a pretty long wait.

He doesn't even qualify as far as excitement. Yes, we true fans know not to miss any of his fights, but he is nowhere near the kind of general popularity that would put him in the Hall despite a decent but unspectacular resume.

Well done, Cygnus, in pointing out what any objective person can see- lil g's record is very good but not great yet. Not one elite name on it and a fight with a junior middleweight might not be enough to change that.

You refer to Golovkin disrespectfully as "little g" Then you have the temerity to bag out an undefeated world champion who gives his life to training and living the life of an athelete along with risking his life in order to entertain us? You need to have a fucken word with your self, imbecile.

Canelo ducking GGG may not be an issue if he gets beat by the great Amir Khan. Could you imagine that scenario? Khan, a guy well known for a weak chin, with no wins over any top 5 guy at 140 or 147, beats Canelo, and would be a world champion at 160lbs?

By the way, Canelo has got a lot of criticism for not budging off of 155, but GGG has also said he would cut to 154 for Floyd. Most rabid GGG fans claim he is a small middleweight, especially when the subject of going to 168 to fight Ward comes up. (But he would go to 168 for a couple others) Since Ward has moved up, now GGG would be severely weight drained at 155? Hmmm. Is GGG a big middleweight again now?

Badhusker wrote:Canelo ducking GGG may not be an issue if he gets beat by the great Amir Khan. Could you imagine that scenario? Khan, a guy well known for a weak chin, with no wins over any top 5 guy at 140 or 147, beats Canelo, and would be a world champion at 160lbs?

By the way, Canelo has got a lot of criticism for not budging off of 155, but GGG has also said he would cut to 154 for Floyd. Most rabid GGG fans claim he is a small middleweight, especially when the subject of going to 168 to fight Ward comes up. (But he would go to 168 for a couple others) Since Ward has moved up, now GGG would be severely weight drained at 155? Hmmm. Is GGG a big middleweight again now?

In order to beat Canelo, Khan (or anybody else) needs to stop him or at least dominate and drop multiple times. Canelo/DLH always have pocket judges.

Yes, GGG is a relatively small MW, definitely not bigger than Canelo. He can make 155, but at his age, it is much harder to do for him than for young Canelo, so he would clearly be giving advantage to Canelo when he doesn't have to. Canelo can have all other advantages: judges, venue, purse split, but the fight itself needs to be fair.

P.S. Golovkin just weighed 164 30 days before his next fight:

Here is a screen shot from Canelo's nightmares:

Gennady Golovkin ‏@GGGBoxing 20h20 hours ago
One month until #GolovkinWade

ikorolev wrote:Here is a screen shot from Canelo's nightmares:

Gennady Golovkin ‏@GGGBoxing 20h20 hours ago
One month until #GolovkinWade

ggg would beat canelo all around the ring , one sided beat down, canelo a good figher, great combinations, strong as an ox, but he has bad footwork , and that would see him in all sorts of bother vs ggg

Cygnus475 wrote:

Hes fought bigger guys - Martin Murray is abouy 3" taller and had reach advantage
He will have fought faster fighters. GGG isnt amazingly quick just frighteningly precise
Ring IQ - GGG has one of best "Ring IQ" in the business. 345-5 as an amateur for starters
Power - C'mon, he's rated hardest middleweight puncher of all time (highest KO percentage of all time). Even without that stat you can see hes one of hardest hitters p4p in the sport.
Chin - one of p4p best chins in the sport, never been down am or pro so again unsurprising
Experience - how many active fighters, across all weights have more experience? Epic amateur career, and 34 pro fights, half of those world title fights and has fought on every continent.
Stamina - No idea what his stamina is like, pretty sure someone like Lemieux was fitter?

Lol so out of 34 opponents you can name 2, Murray and lemiuex, who had one or two advantages over ggg at best..?

LOL? You said "Name one who has an advantage in any of ..."

Ive named two who fought him in his last 4 fights!

Agree on managment though, couldve got him better fights. Also, why in 9 years hasnt he gone to 168 or 154 where there are numerous eliete opponents.

dberry wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:I'm reading this thread, watching Cygnus school folks who idiotically try to compare lil g's very pedestrian resume to Floyd's HOF career and I realize some folks just can't accept the truth.

What I just alluded to is the only thing you need to keep in mind.

Ask yourself the question: if lil g's career was over right now, would he make the Hall?

To me, the answer is no.

At best, it is barely and after a pretty long wait.

He doesn't even qualify as far as excitement. Yes, we true fans know not to miss any of his fights, but he is nowhere near the kind of general popularity that would put him in the Hall despite a decent but unspectacular resume.

Well done, Cygnus, in pointing out what any objective person can see- lil g's record is very good but not great yet. Not one elite name on it and a fight with a junior middleweight might not be enough to change that.

You refer to Golovkin disrespectfully as "little g" Then you have the temerity to bag out an undefeated world champion who gives his life to training and living the life of an athelete along with risking his life in order to entertain us? You need to have a fucken word with your self, imbecile.

He disrespects himself.

I agree with Andre Ward, who happens to be another guy who risks his life.

And Andre does it against a much higher class of fighter.

Lil g needs to fight an elite guy his in his own weight class or higher.

And he needs to come off the absurd stance of being willing to fight Floyd at 154
yet totally ruling out going to 155 against a guy Floyd beat.

That's some wack shyt, and it totally belies the warrior he is supposed to be.

Hence, lil g.

And fuk outta here with your fanboy bullshyt, too.