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punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:54

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:36

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:24

You've not even come close to making an actual argument. Will you start talking about sugar again soon?

I'm still wondering what yours is?

I found an actual scientific experiment that proves that just 4 grams of foam padding can reduce the force of a punch delivered by a professional fighter by an average of 12%. Ive offered up significantly more evidence than you. You're rebuttal was to bitch and moan that 4g foam padding isn't a fair comparison with a heavy beard. Perhaps not but until someone produces scientific results it's the closest comparison we have to go on.

So in the meantime, given this is entirely a numbers game, why dont you give me your best estimate to the following;

2 identical uppercuts are delivered to this gentleman by a professional welterweight wearing 8oz fight gloves:



The ONLY variable is that in uppercut #1 the gentleman is clean shaven therefore no resistance is offered by his facial hair. In uppercut #2, the shot must travel up through those thick few inches of beard hair before landing on the jaw line.

Q: in your best estimation, in terms of %, how much less force is applied in uppercut #2?

You're wondering because you lack mental capacity. If you cannot see the difference between a foam cylinder and a beard, you are a moron. And I don't mean that as an insult, I mean it in the truest sense of the word. You are a moron.

I have already given you multiple numbers, but your lack of intelligence has not allowed you to follow them. Instead you have gone off on tangents about sugar and foam cylinders. You actually seem to believe that a foam cylinder sitting horizontally across the knuckles is the same as beard hairs growing vertically from the face. You seem to believe that beards weigh close to half a pound. You seem to believe that 4 grams and 8 ounces are comparable. You have provided zero evidence on anything except the fact that dense foam absorbs force. Congratulations, you now know what literally everyone else on planet earth already knew.

I won't be responding to you anymore. I feel bad for even engaging with you in the first place. I volunteer with the Special Olympics, I don't argue with them.

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:51

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:47 Bas states it's about as much protection as wrapping a plastic bag around your head.

Think about it. How much extra protection is a few millimeters of hair going to give you against a 800psi punch?

An immaterial amount. I'm sorry I started this up again...didn't mean to. It's just so ridiculous to imagine how any facial hair helps. I'm sure if you hit a bald man on top of the head with a two by four the result would be identical as if he had hair.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 11:31

x2x wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 17:08

punchoutsb wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 01:23

You're asking why weight is important when discussion cushioning material? Seriously?

The weight of your supposed cushion is obviously important as 100 pounds of feathers will offer more cushion than 10 pounds of feathers. 0.2 ounces (the weight of our 4 inch beard above) is essentially the same weight as one of the small cotton rounds my wife uses to remove nail polish. It is quite clear that this "cushion" will not have any sort of statistical impact on punch resistance.

What you're suggesting is like saying blowing really hard when someone throws a punch will lessen the punches impact because of the wind resistance. While it's true in the most minute sense, it doesn't come close to offering anything remotely close to statistical significance.

Instead of actually thinking and using common sense you are just trying to "win" your argument. You are also being obnoxious and rude, which is not a propitious combination with being stupid.

OK, you are standing in front of me and i hit you in your jaw with my fist (that sounds like fun!) Or, 2nd, choice, you hold up a doubled up feather pillow in front of your jaw before i punch you. Which do you think will hurt more, 1 or 2? How much do the feathers in the pillow weigh? Duh.

A beard does not equal a doubled up feather pillow. How many Deontay Wilder beards would it take to fill that same pillow?

x2x wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 23:31

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 11:31

x2x wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 17:08


Instead of actually thinking and using common sense you are just trying to "win" your argument. You are also being obnoxious and rude, which is not a propitious combination with being stupid.

OK, you are standing in front of me and i hit you in your jaw with my fist (that sounds like fun!) Or, 2nd, choice, you hold up a doubled up feather pillow in front of your jaw before i punch you. Which do you think will hurt more, 1 or 2? How much do the feathers in the pillow weigh? Duh.

A beard does not equal a doubled up feather pillow. How many Deontay Wilder beards would it take to fill that same pillow?

How much do the feathers in the pillow weigh? You were just going on about how it's the weight of the cushioning material that counts!

I do try to simplify things so that people with little or no common sense can understand it!

x2x wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 23:31

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 11:31

x2x wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 17:08


Instead of actually thinking and using common sense you are just trying to "win" your argument. You are also being obnoxious and rude, which is not a propitious combination with being stupid.

OK, you are standing in front of me and i hit you in your jaw with my fist (that sounds like fun!) Or, 2nd, choice, you hold up a doubled up feather pillow in front of your jaw before i punch you. Which do you think will hurt more, 1 or 2? How much do the feathers in the pillow weigh? Duh.

A beard does not equal a doubled up feather pillow. How many Deontay Wilder beards would it take to fill that same pillow?

How much do the feathers in the pillow weigh? You were just going on about how it's the weight of the cushioning material that counts!

I do try to simplify things so that people with little or no common sense can understand it!

punchoutsb wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 08:49

x2x wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 23:31

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 11:31

A beard does not equal a doubled up feather pillow. How many Deontay Wilder beards would it take to fill that same pillow?

How much do the feathers in the pillow weigh? You were just going on about how it's the weight of the cushioning material that counts!

I do try to simplify things so that people with little or no common sense can understand it!

I know you're smarter than the moron guy because you and I have had interactions before so I'll try one more time with you.

My feather pillow weighs about two pounds. Two pounds is heavier than 3-5 grams. The weight of a beard is important because it tells you approximately how much material is present. The density of the material is important because it tells if the weight of that material is enough to make a difference. Example: It takes less lead to make five grams of weight than grass. If you have a two pound beard that is tightly coiled and braided and wrapped horizontally around the chin then I will agree with you that it will cushion a blow. I've never seen a beard like that in combat sports. Beard hair is not dense, nor is it packed into a large surface area. That is why the weight is important. It tells you that there is not enough hair present to make a difference.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 17:04 Seriously speaking, whether you believe a beard adds protection or not, do you really think it makes a difference if a professional boxer punches you in the jaw. Like, would a borderline ko punch not ko you if you had the beard. But, would ko you if you were shaven?

I understand there is going to be some added resistance with a beard. But it would be so small I don't understand how it would be of any more effect on a fighter.

We need those Myth Buster guys to do a show on this.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 16:59 I remember getting kicked in the nuts after a year long deployment in Iraq. I had not trimmed yet and had a pretty good hedge going on down there. I was so lucky. It really didn't hurt that bad. Had I been properly manicured, the blow would have done me in!

happyNY18 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 17:34

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 17:04 Seriously speaking, whether you believe a beard adds protection or not, do you really think it makes a difference if a professional boxer punches you in the jaw. Like, would a borderline ko punch not ko you if you had the beard. But, would ko you if you were shaven?

I understand there is going to be some added resistance with a beard. But it would be so small I don't understand how it would be of any more effect on a fighter.

We need those Myth Buster guys to do a show on this.

Well studies have shown that headgear reduced force by about 66% (but made the head a bigger target and some argue the more frequent dull & subconcussive shots could be more harmful in the long term - hence why they don't use them anymore in the ams).

The study i pulled up showed a reduction of 12% from only a 4g piece if foam padding.

I think a very heavy, thick & coarse beard could certainly be in that same 12% region of resistance.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 17:45

happyNY18 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 17:34

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 17:04 Seriously speaking, whether you believe a beard adds protection or not, do you really think it makes a difference if a professional boxer punches you in the jaw. Like, would a borderline ko punch not ko you if you had the beard. But, would ko you if you were shaven?

I understand there is going to be some added resistance with a beard. But it would be so small I don't understand how it would be of any more effect on a fighter.

We need those Myth Buster guys to do a show on this.

Well studies have shown that headgear reduced force by about 66% (but made the head a bigger target and some argue the more frequent dull & subconcussive shots could be more harmful in the long term - hence why they don't use them anymore in the ams).

The study i pulled up showed a reduction of 12% from only a 4g piece if foam padding.

I think a very heavy, thick & coarse beard could certainly be in that same 12% region of resistance.

Some may think this is silly, but I actually went to the Myth Busters website and followed the instructions and sent in a request to test the "myth" that beards add extra protection in combat sports. lol

What the hell? We think it's obviously an interesting topic. And it seems that countless other forums have discussed this in the past. It would be cool if they decide to do it. I'll let you guys know if I get a response.