If Fury gets blasted out, let's not hear "Wilder wouldn't have beaten the 2015 Fury with Cus Peter!". If Fury's not at his best then that's on him.
And if not working to orders, I think it's now clear that Ben's overfond of flattering choreography. There's no meat to their method, just lots of posing twixt deliberate misses. And with a little over four weeks' training left, Fury's still fat.
It's not looking too promising for him IMO.
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 04:42
by ShadrachSimmo
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑25 Oct 2018, 19:24
I can't wait til Fury slaps Wilder silly... and yet again... you will be crying and making excuses like you did after the Klitschko fight in 2015 you'll start running your mouth (yet again) that AJ is the best in the world, etc. etc. etc.
He does tend to slap quite a lot I finally agree with you on something...
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 05:06
by Controversial
I don't think he's shot, like Mike Tyson was shot in his last fights, but his lifestyle won't have helped. I like Fury but he thinks he is better than he is. He talks about the Klitschko win like its one of the greatest wins in HW history when in fact it was one of the dullest fights I've ever seen. He is still to be properly tested in the chin department to in my opinion. Wilder will land at some point, Klitschko was a big puncher as well but he just didn't throw any punches, Fury will be foolish to think Wilder will be the same. Interesting that Fury has said in interviews "if I beat Wilder" not "when I beat Wilder", which kind of suggests he isn't 100% confident.
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 05:27
by KiwiRider
Have you guys seen the open workout videos from yesterday?
Tyson is looking really good. Training at altitude, sharp on the pads and in the best shape since Wlad as far as I can see.
He is taking this very seriously...
Hopefully this works, the link has been down.
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 05:38
by Oiky
Tyson looking very good in training and will look very good in the fight
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 05:42
by Boxerbeetle
Oiky wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 05:38
Tyson looking very good in training and will look very good in the fight
I certainly hope so. I always want both guys to be at their absolute best on fight night.
Oiky wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 05:38
Tyson looking very good in training and will look very good in the fight
I certainly hope so. I always want both guys to be at their absolute best on fight night.
Only way it should be pal
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 06:16
by skanksta
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 03:36If Fury gets blasted out, let's not hear "Wilder wouldn't have beaten the 2015 Fury with Cus Peter!". If Fury's not at his best then that's on him.
And if not working to orders, I think it's now clear that Ben's overfond of flattering choreography. There's no meat to their method, just lots of posing twixt deliberate misses. And with a little over four weeks' training left, Fury's still fat.
It's not looking too promising for him IMO.
I get what you're saying - it's on Tyson - but...
Is there anyone who thinks that IF Fury is back to his best, he still loses ?
I'm convinced that the best Fury beats Wilder all day long - bigger, sturdier and above all, better at boxing.
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 03:36If Fury gets blasted out, let's not hear "Wilder wouldn't have beaten the 2015 Fury with Cus Peter!". If Fury's not at his best then that's on him.
And if not working to orders, I think it's now clear that Ben's overfond of flattering choreography. There's no meat to their method, just lots of posing twixt deliberate misses. And with a little over four weeks' training left, Fury's still fat.
It's not looking too promising for him IMO.
I get what you're saying - it's on Tyson - but...
Is there anyone who thinks that IF Fury is back to his best, he still loses ?
I'm convinced that the best Fury beats Wilder all day long - bigger, sturdier and above all, better at boxing.
I don't believe Fury needs to even be on his A game to deal with Wilder. Wilder is made for Fury. AJ poses more problems for Fury and that's when we will see Fury back to his best
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 03:36If Fury gets blasted out, let's not hear "Wilder wouldn't have beaten the 2015 Fury with Cus Peter!". If Fury's not at his best then that's on him.
And if not working to orders, I think it's now clear that Ben's overfond of flattering choreography. There's no meat to their method, just lots of posing twixt deliberate misses. And with a little over four weeks' training left, Fury's still fat.
It's not looking too promising for him IMO.
I get what you're saying - it's on Tyson - but...
Is there anyone who thinks that IF Fury is back to his best, he still loses ?
I'm convinced that the best Fury beats Wilder all day long - bigger, sturdier and above all, better at boxing.
If fury fights the way he did against wlad hell get destroyed.
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 07:42
by Oiky
If fury gets blasted out you'll hear no bullsh*t from me
I'm not that kind of a person, I stand by my word whether i turn out to be right or wrong , I hate fickle boxing fans who run back on things they've said
But fury isn't going to get blasted out, he's going to box wilders ears in for him so there's no worries here
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 03:36If Fury gets blasted out, let's not hear "Wilder wouldn't have beaten the 2015 Fury with Cus Peter!". If Fury's not at his best then that's on him.
And if not working to orders, I think it's now clear that Ben's overfond of flattering choreography. There's no meat to their method, just lots of posing twixt deliberate misses. And with a little over four weeks' training left, Fury's still fat.
It's not looking too promising for him IMO.
I get what you're saying - it's on Tyson - but...
Is there anyone who thinks that IF Fury is back to his best, he still loses ?
I'm convinced that the best Fury beats Wilder all day long - bigger, sturdier and above all, better at boxing.
If fury fights the way he did against wlad hell get destroyed.
Really ?
Brave call.
I keep seeing the windmilling, the protection, the spindly legs.... I just don't think Wilder is that good.
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 08:13
by Onetimeonly
Fury's path to victory is smothering wilder inside. He's too open to outbox him.
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 03:36If Fury gets blasted out, let's not hear "Wilder wouldn't have beaten the 2015 Fury with Cus Peter!". If Fury's not at his best then that's on him.
And if not working to orders, I think it's now clear that Ben's overfond of flattering choreography. There's no meat to their method, just lots of posing twixt deliberate misses. And with a little over four weeks' training left, Fury's still fat.
It's not looking too promising for him IMO.
I get what you're saying - it's on Tyson - but...
Is there anyone who thinks that IF Fury is back to his best, he still loses ?
I'm convinced that the best Fury beats Wilder all day long - bigger, sturdier and above all, better at boxing.
Is it a fair arguement though that the BEST Tyson Fury was on PEDS.
I question his PED use in the Chis 2, Hammer and Wlad wins.
It’s like saying the best POV of the Perez and Duhaupas fights would of finished AJ.
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 03:36If Fury gets blasted out, let's not hear "Wilder wouldn't have beaten the 2015 Fury with Cus Peter!". If Fury's not at his best then that's on him.
And if not working to orders, I think it's now clear that Ben's overfond of flattering choreography. There's no meat to their method, just lots of posing twixt deliberate misses. And with a little over four weeks' training left, Fury's still fat.
It's not looking too promising for him IMO.
I get what you're saying - it's on Tyson - but...
Is there anyone who thinks that IF Fury is back to his best, he still loses ?
I'm convinced that the best Fury beats Wilder all day long - bigger, sturdier and above all, better at boxing.
Is it a fair arguement though that the BEST Tyson Fury was on PEDS.
I question his PED use in the Chis 2, Hammer and Wlad wins.
It’s like saying the best POV of the Perez and Duhaupas fights would of finished AJ.
They’re all on something anyway.
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 21:43
by KiwiRider
skanksta wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 07:56
Really ?
Brave call.
I keep seeing the windmilling, the protection, the spindly legs.... I just don't think Wilder is that good.
your not alone in that either.
Disturbingly, after 40 fights, I'm still not convinced that Wilder is actually any good. Yes he has one heck of a powerful shot, but from what I've seen, his boxing skills are (to be polite) rather questionable.
I'm not a hater either, good luck to the guy.
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 21:46
by jamamb
hes obviously good enough to be a top 2 fighter today. the win over ortiz, though a flirt with defeat, is better then what pretty much anyone else has accomplished, and hes beaten enough secocnd rate contenders to show hes beyond that level and not likely to get upset there. his technique blows but he just overwhelms most guys with his raw speed and power and his ability to land from the outside with that reach. plus hes got pretty good stamina too and showed good mettle vs ortiz
but ffs one thing i cant stand is the crap about how being sloppy (dressed up as 'unorthodox' and 'unpredictable') is actually a strength , or how hes so unpredictable when its like no inside game and the same jab right hand over and over
i think only aj would beat wilder. ajs got plenty of a physical presence and power himself, but with much tighter boxing and more dimensions. ppl say wilders so unpredicatble but aj actually has a lot more offensive variety.
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 27 Oct 2018, 03:02
by Boxerbeetle
jamamb wrote: ↑26 Oct 2018, 21:46
hes obviously good enough to be a top 2 fighter today. the win over ortiz, though a flirt with defeat, is better then what pretty much anyone else has accomplished, and hes beaten enough secocnd rate contenders to show hes beyond that level and not likely to get upset there. his technique blows but he just overwhelms most guys with his raw speed and power and his ability to land from the outside with that reach. plus hes got pretty good stamina too and showed good mettle vs ortiz
but ffs one thing i cant stand is the crap about how being sloppy (dressed up as 'unorthodox' and 'unpredictable') is actually a strength , or how hes so unpredictable when its like no inside game and the same jab right hand over and over
i think only aj would beat wilder. ajs got plenty of a physical presence and power himself, but with much tighter boxing and more dimensions. ppl say wilders so unpredicatble but aj actually has a lot more offensive variety.
Yeah when people say Wilder is ‘unpredictable’, they must be solely talking about the way his right hand gets swung in at occasionally different angles. Other than that, he’s one of the most predictable fighters around
Re: Tyson Fury is a shot fighter
Posted: 27 Oct 2018, 03:06
by jamamb
its honestly one of the strangest things going, its almost all jabs and right hands from outside over and over until he lands the fight changing shot. how people act like hes some massively unpredictable style of fighter is just bizarre
he has the power to turn a fight at any moment, but his style itself is predictable if anything
RKY wrote: ↑17 Oct 2018, 07:54
Just got round to watching his last fight.
Slow. Fat. Plodding. Inflated sense of his skillset. He looked like a comic doing impressions of different boxing styles.
3 years out an balllooning up in weight, clearly aged with drugs and lost all his hair. This guy is a shadow of the boxer we seen weave around Klitchko in Hamburg.
I think Fury is going to get flattened by Wilder, but at least he'll make enough money to go back into retirement, probably best he makes it permanent. Or maybe his rivalry with Price will be relevant again.
wilder is a banger , ortiz at 62 years old nearly did a job on him , tyson only fights one fight every 2 years , he will school wilder like a chief
And now describe how the fight ended? Shall I help you... Wilder showed a great chin and huge resilience to weather the storm of massive punching Ortiz, who threw the complete kitchen sink at Wilder. Wilder withstood it all and then smashed Ortiz, a very durable man, into submission.
Ortiz punches far harder than Fury and with much more dangerous intent. Forget Ortiz’s age, Eddie didn’t want AJ anywhere near him.
I view the Ortiz fight as a positive for Wilder and not a negative. His heart and desire is another level stuff. This is heavyweight boxing, let’s not forget. Anyone can rock anyone. Theses are big dudes.
For fair and objective balance, what’s your thoughts on Fury being dropped heavy onto his back by a cruiserweight?
Oh come on how active has ortize been who's he beat Dave Allen no disrespect Scott nah ain't having it .Tyson moves and the ring ortize was finished in later rounds Tyson will dance to the final bell he is natural .of cause a banger can win but I think Tyson instincts will be sharp as a ... for this fight
RKY wrote: ↑17 Oct 2018, 07:54
Just got round to watching his last fight.
Slow. Fat. Plodding. Inflated sense of his skillset. He looked like a comic doing impressions of different boxing styles.
3 years out an balllooning up in weight, clearly aged with drugs and lost all his hair. This guy is a shadow of the boxer we seen weave around Klitchko in Hamburg.
I think Fury is going to get flattened by Wilder, but at least he'll make enough money to go back into retirement, probably best he makes it permanent. Or maybe his rivalry with Price will be relevant again.
wilder is a banger , ortiz at 62 years old nearly did a job on him , tyson only fights one fight every 2 years , he will school wilder like a chief
And now describe how the fight ended? Shall I help you... Wilder showed a great chin and huge resilience to weather the storm of massive punching Ortiz, who threw the complete kitchen sink at Wilder. Wilder withstood it all and then smashed Ortiz, a very durable man, into submission.
Ortiz punches far harder than Fury and with much more dangerous intent. Forget Ortiz’s age, Eddie didn’t want AJ anywhere near him.
I view the Ortiz fight as a positive for Wilder and not a negative. His heart and desire is another level stuff. This is heavyweight boxing, let’s not forget. Anyone can rock anyone. Theses are big dudes.
For fair and objective balance, what’s your thoughts on Fury being dropped heavy onto his back by a cruiserweight?
Oh come on how active has ortize been who's he beat Dave Allen no disrespect Scott nah ain't having it .Tyson moves and the ring ortize was finished in later rounds Tyson will dance to the final bell he is natural .of cause a banger can win but I think Tyson instincts will be sharp as a ... for this fight
RKY wrote: ↑17 Oct 2018, 07:54
Just got round to watching his last fight.
Slow. Fat. Plodding. Inflated sense of his skillset. He looked like a comic doing impressions of different boxing styles.
3 years out an balllooning up in weight, clearly aged with drugs and lost all his hair. This guy is a shadow of the boxer we seen weave around Klitchko in Hamburg.
I think Fury is going to get flattened by Wilder, but at least he'll make enough money to go back into retirement, probably best he makes it permanent. Or maybe his rivalry with Price will be relevant again.
wilder is a banger , ortiz at 62 years old nearly did a job on him , tyson only fights one fight every 2 years , he will school wilder like a chief
And now describe how the fight ended? Shall I help you... Wilder showed a great chin and huge resilience to weather the storm of massive punching Ortiz, who threw the complete kitchen sink at Wilder. Wilder withstood it all and then smashed Ortiz, a very durable man, into submission.
Ortiz punches far harder than Fury and with much more dangerous intent. Forget Ortiz’s age, Eddie didn’t want AJ anywhere near him.
I view the Ortiz fight as a positive for Wilder and not a negative. His heart and desire is another level stuff. This is heavyweight boxing, let’s not forget. Anyone can rock anyone. Theses are big dudes.
For fair and objective balance, what’s your thoughts on Fury being dropped heavy onto his back by a cruiserweight?
Oh come on how active has ortize been who's he beat Dave Allen no disrespect Scott nah ain't having it .Tyson moves and the ring ortize was finished in later rounds Tyson will dance to the final bell he is natural .of cause a banger can win but I think Tyson instincts will be sharp as a ... for this fight
Oiky wrote: ↑24 Oct 2018, 08:11
Came back from it though didn’t he? Came out the other end, got himself fighting fit again and got himself in a big fight
Clearly you are the type of man who revels in other peoples downfalls and takes that as a tool to say someone isn’t proud or a good person, or if someone has a bad period that gives you a way of judging how you think they are as a person as a whole
Say what you want about the mans personal life, housewife behaviour that is anyway , but when he is in the ring he is a very very proud man
I'm not judging at all, everything i said w/r/t 'obese mess' 'booze and coke' and so on is simple fact. I'm just suggesting that your claim of his pride is (1) not exactly born out by the way he acted after becoming heavyweight champion of the world and (2) seems to be based on your imagination or wishful thinking:
when he is in the ring he is a very very proud man
how on earth do you know whether he's proud or otherwise, in the ring? good to know you've got those mind-reading skills, hope you put them to good work
it is simple fact he snorted gear, blew up, drank, but it’s judgemental for you to then use that as a way of judging him and saying he never has been, or can be proud
I’m part of the gypsy community, And while I’ve never met Tyson myself I know plenty who know him and his people, my wife’s people know plenty of his people as well, it’s well known his family are prideful people so it has nothing to do with mind reading skills that’s all a bit silly to talk like that isn’t it
Drink and drugs is in all of familys no shame in it .all of us from working class poor people backgrounds have it in our family's or friends
and boxing is the game for the lower class. I think tyson is a very proud man says what he says out loud .Think that shows lot of character lot of strength. I like him a lot
I'm not judging at all, everything i said w/r/t 'obese mess' 'booze and coke' and so on is simple fact. I'm just suggesting that your claim of his pride is (1) not exactly born out by the way he acted after becoming heavyweight champion of the world and (2) seems to be based on your imagination or wishful thinking:
when he is in the ring he is a very very proud man
how on earth do you know whether he's proud or otherwise, in the ring? good to know you've got those mind-reading skills, hope you put them to good work
it is simple fact he snorted gear, blew up, drank, but it’s judgemental for you to then use that as a way of judging him and saying he never has been, or can be proud
I’m part of the gypsy community, And while I’ve never met Tyson myself I know plenty who know him and his people, my wife’s people know plenty of his people as well, it’s well known his family are prideful people so it has nothing to do with mind reading skills that’s all a bit silly to talk like that isn’t it
Drink and drugs is in all of familys no shame in it .all of us from working class poor people backgrounds have it in our family's or friends
and boxing is the game for the lower class. I think tyson is a very proud man says what he says out loud .Think that shows lot of character lot of strength. I like him a lot
you'll start running your mouth (yet again) that AJ is the best in the world, etc. etc. etc.
