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marvelous marv wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 21:57 Why would they cancel a PPV that will jointly promoted by the two largest sports networks in the USA between two fighters who have vastly raised their profile in the US.

Fox is also broadcasting the Super Bowl, the largest sporting event in the US before the date of the event. It will do good business.

No major US boxing journalist is actually covering the fight in Saudi Arabia in person , what a shame.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 21:58

marvelous marv wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 21:57 Why would they cancel a PPV that will jointly promoted by the two largest sports networks in the USA between two fighters who have vastly raised their profile in the US.

Fox is also broadcasting the Super Bowl, the largest sporting event in the US before the date of the event. It will do good business.

No major US boxing journalist is actually covering the fight in Saudi Arabia in person , what a shame.

What are the Wilder-Ortiz rematch buys like marv?

marvelous marv wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 21:57 Why would they cancel a PPV that will jointly promoted by the two largest sports networks in the USA between two fighters who have vastly raised their profile in the US.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 21:23

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 22:10 He got 20 million for Ortiz.

How on earth is Wilder supposed to earn $20m from the Ortiz rematch, considering the following issues?

• The attendance at the MGM Grand Arena is reported to be in the region of 10K for the Wilder-Ortiz rematch, where the stadium capacity is 17K+, which is about half the size as the crowd that watched the Joshua-Ruiz fight in NYC
• The PPV buy-rate is rumoured to be appallingly bad (definitely much less than 100K and supposedly a record low, with some sources claiming it to be as poor as 2.5K buys)
• The NSAC having Deontay’s official purse at only $3m
• The are no official named sources corroborating the alleged $20m purse figure

You also need to consider Wilder’s typical purses:

• Gerald Washington = $900K
• Chris Arreola = $1.4m
• Artur Szpilka = $1.5m
• Johann Duhaupas = $1.4m
• Eric Molina = $1.4m
• Bermane Stiverne I = $1m
• Bermane Stiverne II = $1.4m
• Luis Ortiz I = $2.1m
• Tyson Fury = ~$10m ($4m guarantee, plus ~$6m PPV in revenue)
• Dominic Breazeale = ~$10m (based on an overly-generous rumour, because the Showtime boss, Stephen Espinoza, refused to divulge the actual figure)

Where exactly is the money coming from to fund Wilder’s alleged $20m payday, since he isn’t contractually-tied to any promoter or network?

Put it this way, it the gate receipts and the PPV buy-rate figure for the Wilder-Ortiz rematch are really as bad as being currently reported, then Deontay’s rematch against Tyson Fury could be cancelled, because their first bout underperformed commercially and the American’s popularity/commercial worth might have declined significantly since then.

lazboy wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 23:37 I’ve heard that Dillian ‘B sample snatcher’ Whyte will be on the undercard of Ruiz AJ. Can anyone confirm?

Edit: already a thread in British section.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 00:00 If the first Fury Wilder fight did over 300k with little promotion the second will do better. The first one was profitable.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 01:53

lazboy wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 23:37 I’ve heard that Dillian ‘B sample snatcher’ Whyte will be on the undercard of Ruiz AJ. Can anyone confirm?

Edit: already a thread in British section.

Dillian Whyte will face Mariusz Wach on Joshua-Ruiz undercard.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 12:49

marvelous marv wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 11:34 Dianabol Whyte has turned down multiple eliminator fights and title defenses. What a

Thinks of all the PEDS in the ring if he and Ort fought

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 07:39

Bandog wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 07:02 Perhaps Whyte will finally man up, strap his nuts on and fight the old man Ortiz?

The Cuban allegedly declined an opportunity received from Matchroom to face Dillian Whyte on the 28th July 2018, which was accompanied with a $2.54m purse offer, because he claimed the scheduled fight-date was too soon for him.

However, Ortiz actually ended up fighting on that date anyway, when he engaged in the preposterous Razvan Cojanu mismatch.

In stark contrast, Dillian Whyte ended up facing Joseph Parker on that date instead, with the Kiwi rated above the Cuban Ortiz.

Please remember that Luis Ortiz also rejected an opportunity to face Anthony Joshua, who is a fighter that Dillian Whyte has already fought.

Bandog wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 07:30

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 07:39
The Cuban allegedly declined an opportunity received from Matchroom to face Dillian Whyte on the 28th July 2018, which was accompanied with a $2.54m purse offer, because he claimed the scheduled fight-date was too soon for him.

However, Ortiz actually ended up fighting on that date anyway, when he engaged in the preposterous Razvan Cojanu mismatch.

In stark contrast, Dillian Whyte ended up facing Joseph Parker on that date instead, with the Kiwi rated above the Cuban Ortiz.

Please remember that Luis Ortiz also rejected an opportunity to face Anthony Joshua, who is a fighter that Dillian Whyte has already fought.

I see you omitted Ortiz's reply, from an article on BS.


"Didn't anyone teach you to respect your elders son? You must be smoking some good poo to think you got anything for us and yeah I said us. That goes for me, Wilder or even (Jarrell) Miller. For a young guy you sure have a big mouth. Down here us boys in the South don't do a lot of talking. That’s for cowards so you and Joshua - if you want some come get some because down here in the good ol' USA we bring it. We don’t sing it," Ortiz told BS.com.

"So listen here young man. There is a spot open on this Wilder-Fury card so why don’t you strap your nuts on and come face me so I can show you a good ass whooping son. If not please take my name out your mouth."

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 08:06

Bandog wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 07:30


I see you omitted Ortiz's reply, from an article on BS.


"Didn't anyone teach you to respect your elders son? You must be smoking some good poo to think you got anything for us and yeah I said us. That goes for me, Wilder or even (Jarrell) Miller. For a young guy you sure have a big mouth. Down here us boys in the South don't do a lot of talking. That’s for cowards so you and Joshua - if you want some come get some because down here in the good ol' USA we bring it. We don’t sing it," Ortiz told BS.com.

"So listen here young man. There is a spot open on this Wilder-Fury card so why don’t you strap your nuts on and come face me so I can show you a good ass whooping son. If not please take my name out your mouth."

Do you not recall when Luis Ortiz claimed he rejected the Joshua bout due to being low-balled, Eddie Hearn became aggressive and threatened to publicly disclose their written correspondences to debunk the Cuban’s dishonest claims?

So how much credibility does Luis Ortiz have when his team have openly admitted to lying about the the offers they received from eddie Hearn?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 22:17

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 21:58

What are the Wilder-Ortiz rematch buys like marv?

The rumour mill has them well below $100K.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 13:00 Wilder was guaranteed 20 and Ortiz 7.

ewenhay wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 13:20 Come on folks

You know how this works.

If someone he likes says something in an interview then it's an irrefutable fact.

If someone he doesn't like says something they are untrustworthy and it is therefore a lie

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 15:09

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 22:17
The rumour mill has them well below $100K.

I've heard the idiotic rumour of 2,500 buys and the other idiotic rumour of 800K to 1 million buys. The most sane one I've seen is just under 200k buys.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 17:01

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 15:09
I've heard the idiotic rumour of 2,500 buys and the other idiotic rumour of 800K to 1 million buys. The most sane one I've seen is just under 200k buys.

Yes the 2500 was posted in boxing scene forum as a joke rebuttal to a joke post earlier in the day that said it was over 750,000 buys.

Taking those as gospel or even quoting such insanity just proves that his facts are a joke