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oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 17:19 You guys are overrating Vitali. Don't be over impressed by his size..it was a pretty weak era. He was tough, but against lesser opposition. He had a chin, but he got stunned more often than most of us remember (watch Corrie Sanders). Let's just ease off any thoughts of him being dominant in today's division. He wasn't that good.

its not his size, its his toughness and workrate, todays era is also weak, joshua came close to disaster against 40 year old wlad.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 17:19 You guys are overrating Vitali. Don't be over impressed by his size..it was a pretty weak era. He was tough, but against lesser opposition. He had a chin, but he got stunned more often than most of us remember (watch Corrie Sanders). Let's just ease off any thoughts of him being dominant in today's division. He wasn't that good.

its not his size, its his toughness and workrate, todays era is also weak, joshua came close to disaster against 40 year old wlad.

I'm not advocating for today's HW division. He was tough; he was busy; and he did it against relatively weak opposition. The top three today are on a different level then the rest of the division. They are better than what Vitali faced during his. The rest are on par.

id say vitali was as good as any of the top 3 today all have flaws.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:39 id say vitali was as good as any of the top 3 today all have flaws.

As good? He's tougher than Wilder and AJ maybe. He's on par size wise. His skills were never good. Hands down...using his height and reach on defense wouldn't work against any of the three. He's not as powerful a puncher as Wilder or AJ. Fury is levels ahead in skills. I just don't think he rates here.

id say vitali was as good as any of the top 3 today all have flaws.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:42

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:39 id say vitali was as good as any of the top 3 today all have flaws.

As good? He's tougher than Wilder and AJ maybe. He's on par size wise. His skills were never good. Hands down...using his height and reach on defense wouldn't work against any of the three. He's not as powerful a puncher as Wilder or AJ. Fury is levels ahead in skills. I just don't think he rates here.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:42

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:39 id say vitali was as good as any of the top 3 today all have flaws.

As good? He's tougher than Wilder and AJ maybe. He's on par size wise. His skills were never good. Hands down...using his height and reach on defense wouldn't work against any of the three. He's not as powerful a puncher as Wilder or AJ. Fury is levels ahead in skills. I just don't think he rates here.

furys skills are mainly defensive his offensive skills are lacking. AJ has decent skills and serious power, wilder is crude as hell with good stamina and one punch power.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:49 id say vitali was as good as any of the top 3 today all have flaws.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:42

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:39 id say vitali was as good as any of the top 3 today all have flaws.

As good? He's tougher than Wilder and AJ maybe. He's on par size wise. His skills were never good. Hands down...using his height and reach on defense wouldn't work against any of the three. He's not as powerful a puncher as Wilder or AJ. Fury is levels ahead in skills. I just don't think he rates here.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:42

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 21:39 id say vitali was as good as any of the top 3 today all have flaws.

As good? He's tougher than Wilder and AJ maybe. He's on par size wise. His skills were never good. Hands down...using his height and reach on defense wouldn't work against any of the three. He's not as powerful a puncher as Wilder or AJ. Fury is levels ahead in skills. I just don't think he rates here.

furys skills are mainly defensive his offensive skills are lacking. AJ has decent skills and serious power, wilder is crude as hell with good stamina and one punch power.

Ok, and?

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 19:05 Sanders certainly rocked him. You could have scored it a KD as he hit the floor not long after, as Sanders was flinging some follow ups. Slip or KD? Depends on the ref. If Wilder jolted him with that right, he wouldn't gas trying to get him out of there, like old perma-gut Corrie.

He was wrestled to the bloody floor. Nevermind the elbow Sanders landed in the flurry beforehand. The shot stunned him, is that a bad thing?

SAPFO wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 11:59

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 19:05 Sanders certainly rocked him. You could have scored it a KD as he hit the floor not long after, as Sanders was flinging some follow ups. Slip or KD? Depends on the ref. If Wilder jolted him with that right, he wouldn't gas trying to get him out of there, like old perma-gut Corrie.

He was wrestled to the bloody floor. Nevermind the elbow Sanders landed in the flurry beforehand. The shot stunned him, is that a bad thing?

Yeah, I wouldn't call that knockdown. There was flailing and wresting going on. But, Vitali was stunned.

it clearly wasnt a kd, its obvious sanders cuffed him down and no punch landed at the time, though he was hurt

Lewis hurt him. I don't think there is any question he had a good chin. I don't know it's as granite as people want it to be because of, again, his piss poor opposition.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 14:06 Lewis hurt him. I don't think there is any question he had a good chin. I don't know it's as granite as people want it to be because of, again, his piss poor opposition.

100%

true though lewis was a legit big puncher and was landing huge flush shots on him but didnt drop him....that uppercut

jamamb wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 14:17 true though lewis was a legit big puncher and was landing huge flush shots on him but didnt drop him....that uppercut

Can't be proven, but I think Lewis would have ended up getting to him. PS: After watching Sanders/Vitali, I'm wondering what would have happened if Corrie came in at 225 rather than 235. He seemed gassed before he started getting beat on.

i doubt it wouldve changed much, the others guys have been hurt worse anyway, what if there opponents followed up more etc, sanders just not good enough

i dont rate vitali but some of this stuff ppl are going on about isnt really a big deal imo and can be found just as much in the others . im pretty sure vitali has a hard time with alll 3, ill say beats wilder (but can also see dw cutting him up) but lloses to the other 2

thechump wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:54

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:25 I think the only one who could beat him is Fury and not because Fury is better than Vitali was, just that his awkward movement/faints would make him hard to tag. Vitali had a ridiculous chin. Neither AJ or Wilder would outbox him

But wilder hits harder than pele reid kicks so i dont know if wilder,if he caught vitali,could k.o him. Joshua would struggle i think

mmmm punch a football and kick a football........not much competition. then tell me if you want your chin punched or kicked!!

rhino222 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 16:36

thechump wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:54

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:25 I think the only one who could beat him is Fury and not because Fury is better than Vitali was, just that his awkward movement/faints would make him hard to tag. Vitali had a ridiculous chin. Neither AJ or Wilder would outbox him

But wilder hits harder than pele reid kicks so i dont know if wilder,if he caught vitali,could k.o him. Joshua would struggle i think

mmmm punch a football and kick a football........not much competition. then tell me if you want your chin punched or kicked!!

After years of Tae Kwan Do, I'll take the punch please.

rhino222 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 16:36

thechump wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:54

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:25 I think the only one who could beat him is Fury and not because Fury is better than Vitali was, just that his awkward movement/faints would make him hard to tag. Vitali had a ridiculous chin. Neither AJ or Wilder would outbox him

But wilder hits harder than pele reid kicks so i dont know if wilder,if he caught vitali,could k.o him. Joshua would struggle i think

mmmm punch a football and kick a football........not much competition. then tell me if you want your chin punched or kicked!!

Depends who off,kick off pele reid or punch off deontay wilder? I wouldnt like either thank you lol

thechump wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 16:48

rhino222 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 16:36

thechump wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:54

But wilder hits harder than pele reid kicks so i dont know if wilder,if he caught vitali,could k.o him. Joshua would struggle i think

mmmm punch a football and kick a football........not much competition. then tell me if you want your chin punched or kicked!!

Depends who off,kick off pele reid or punch off deontay wilder? I wouldnt like either thank you lol

The muscles of the legs are incredible powerful, the gluteals are the biggest muscle group in the body, I believe the quads are the second biggest - anybody trainer to kick properly is going to generate enormous force. There's absolutely no way Wilder generates more force with a punch than Pele Reid would with a kick, not even close.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 17:11

thechump wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 16:48

rhino222 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 16:36

mmmm punch a football and kick a football........not much competition. then tell me if you want your chin punched or kicked!!

Depends who off,kick off pele reid or punch off deontay wilder? I wouldnt like either thank you lol

The muscles of the legs are incredible powerful, the gluteals are the biggest muscle group in the body, I believe the quads are the second biggest - anybody trainer to kick properly is going to generate enormous force. There's absolutely no way Wilder generates more force with a punch than Pele Reid would with a kick, not even close.

LMAO! I agree. I think we put this to bed several pages ago.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 17:11

thechump wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 16:48

rhino222 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 16:36

mmmm punch a football and kick a football........not much competition. then tell me if you want your chin punched or kicked!!

Depends who off,kick off pele reid or punch off deontay wilder? I wouldnt like either thank you lol

The muscles of the legs are incredible powerful, the gluteals are the biggest muscle group in the body, I believe the quads are the second biggest - anybody trainer to kick properly is going to generate enormous force. There's absolutely no way Wilder generates more force with a punch than Pele Reid would with a kick, not even close.

Isn’t it considerably easier to land a clean shot on the chin for a ko with a punch than with a kick though?

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 15:42

jamamb wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 14:17 true though lewis was a legit big puncher and was landing huge flush shots on him but didnt drop him....that uppercut

Can't be proven, but I think Lewis would have ended up getting to him. PS: After watching Sanders/Vitali, I'm wondering what would have happened if Corrie came in at 225 rather than 235. He seemed gassed before he started getting beat on.

Same fight. Sanders stamina was shit at any weight. He was a golfer and vitalis best win. Lol, Nate tubes...There's a one punch artist.

Who would you say is vitali's best win? Sanders? Hide? Briggs? Peters? Tbh he hasnt fought anyone really and there were plenty around in his time,i think he is over rated and wilder fury and Joshua have fought better class of opponent than he has.

thechump wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 18:47 Who would you say is vitali's best win? Sanders? Hide? Briggs? Peters? Tbh he hasnt fought anyone really and there were plenty around in his time,i think he is over rated and wilder fury and Joshua have fought better class of opponent than he has.

Sanders, as the last poster stated. I agree with your post, BTW!

thechump wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 18:47 Who would you say is vitali's best win? Sanders? Hide? Briggs? Peters? Tbh he hasnt fought anyone really and there were plenty around in his time,i think he is over rated and wilder fury and Joshua have fought better class of opponent than he has.

No doubt, Joshua has a better resume already. Not even close really. I'd say Sanders, none are of note really. Waste of a career

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 18:53

thechump wrote: ↑08 Jan 2019, 18:47 Who would you say is vitali's best win? Sanders? Hide? Briggs? Peters? Tbh he hasnt fought anyone really and there were plenty around in his time,i think he is over rated and wilder fury and Joshua have fought better class of opponent than he has.

No doubt, Joshua has a better resume already. Not even close really. I'd say Sanders, none are of note really. Waste of a career

What heavyweight champion has the best resume in history would you say? Id have to say the great Ali