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handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Mar 2019, 18:50 Fvcking disgrace to the fighters of yesteryear, guys like Wilder should never be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Ward etc

His motives are baffling

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Mar 2019, 18:51

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Mar 2019, 18:50 Fvcking disgrace to the fighters of yesteryear, guys like Wilder should never be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Ward etc

His motives are baffling

How do you not include Fury and AJ? Aren't they as much culpable?

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Mar 2019, 19:01

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Mar 2019, 18:51

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Mar 2019, 18:50 Fvcking disgrace to the fighters of yesteryear, guys like Wilder should never be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Ward etc

His motives are baffling

How do you not include Fury and AJ? Aren't they as much culpable?

Fury fair enough for backing out a rematch with Wilder but what has Joshua done, I keep hearing all these vague accusations but what did he do? Finkel and Wilder have been avoiding talks with Hearn for months, content at the fact that everyone seems to lapping up the fact that Joshua somehow rejected a 50mil deal that was sent from Wilder's own personal account, nonsense Hearn has practically begging for some contact from them but they've just been ignoring him so whats he meant to do

Then Wilder tweets that he's a free agent and he gets offered an incredible 3 fight deal for 100mil and he rejects it to fight Breazeale on non PPV and Finkel expects people to believe he'll earn more here than elsewhere, fvcking no chance mate, I'm glad its finally clear to see that Wilder and Fury want fvck all to do with AJ and are happy to stay well clear and cling on to the deluded fans and haters who still actually believe Joshua is the duck

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 04:12 Stop it Roy. It's Joshua who's ducking. Get with the programme.

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Mar 2019, 19:01

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Mar 2019, 18:51

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Mar 2019, 18:50 Fvcking disgrace to the fighters of yesteryear, guys like Wilder should never be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Ward etc

His motives are baffling

How do you not include Fury and AJ? Aren't they as much culpable?

Fury fair enough for backing out a rematch with Wilder but what has Joshua done, I keep hearing all these vague accusations but what did he do? Finkel and Wilder have been avoiding talks with Hearn for months, content at the fact that everyone seems to lapping up the fact that Joshua somehow rejected a 50mil deal that was sent from Wilder's own personal account, nonsense Hearn has practically begging for some contact from them but they've just been ignoring him so whats he meant to do

Then Wilder tweets that he's a free agent and he gets offered an incredible 3 fight deal for 100mil and he rejects it to fight Breazeale on non PPV and Finkel expects people to believe he'll earn more here than elsewhere, fvcking no chance mate, I'm glad its finally clear to see that Wilder and Fury want fvck all to do with AJ and are happy to stay well clear and cling on to the deluded fans and haters who still actually believe Joshua is the duck

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 04:43

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 04:12 Stop it Roy. It's Joshua who's ducking. Get with the programme.

...by getting his pay masters to offer him $100m, yeah seems like AJ wants no part of Wilder.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 12:20 $100 Million for three fights not including Joshua from Showtime. I can't see how that adds up. Fury and Wilder are losing their credibility and AJ fights Miller, who is at least a live body and poses a bit of a threat.

I really can't see how Showtime profits by doling out such money with no PPV's. Being a Wilder fan is becoming increasingly difficult if he's not going to be facing Joshua and/or Fury over the next year. Fury and Wilder's actions makes AJ look better and better. Rumors of Wlad and Ortiz being fights two and three still don't make the money add up. I wish all of this negotiating was quieter and the fvckers would just man-up and face one another.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 12:22

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 12:20 $100 Million for three fights not including Joshua from Showtime. I can't see how that adds up. Fury and Wilder are losing their credibility and AJ fights Miller, who is at least a live body and poses a bit of a threat.

I really can't see how Showtime profits by doling out such money with no PPV's. Being a Wilder fan is becoming increasingly difficult if he's not going to be facing Joshua and/or Fury over the next year. Fury and Wilder's actions makes AJ look better and better. Rumors of Wlad and Ortiz being fights two and three still don't make the money add up. I wish all of this negotiating was quieter and the fvckers would just man-up and face one another.

Dazn costs less a month than Showtime and I'm sure they have far less subscribers.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 12:29 Don't forget CBS owns Showtime and fox is involved too. Two giants like CBS and fox could bid on wilder fights under the same umbrella. They won't make money on it, but it's not far fetched to me.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 12:34

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 12:22

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 12:20 $100 Million for three fights not including Joshua from Showtime. I can't see how that adds up. Fury and Wilder are losing their credibility and AJ fights Miller, who is at least a live body and poses a bit of a threat.

I really can't see how Showtime profits by doling out such money with no PPV's. Being a Wilder fan is becoming increasingly difficult if he's not going to be facing Joshua and/or Fury over the next year. Fury and Wilder's actions makes AJ look better and better. Rumors of Wlad and Ortiz being fights two and three still don't make the money add up. I wish all of this negotiating was quieter and the fvckers would just man-up and face one another.

Dazn costs less a month than Showtime and I'm sure they have far less subscribers.

I agree, but DAZN has much higher ceiling and covers more markets. Regardless, $100 million from Showtime? No PPV? Just doesn't seem probable. DAZN is in the ramp up stage and is making investments in its future. Showtime is established and isn't focused on just boxing. Showtime subs are approaching 8 million. DAZN numbers are difficult to find. Both subs cost about the same.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 13:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 12:34

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 12:22

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 12:20 $100 Million for three fights not including Joshua from Showtime. I can't see how that adds up. Fury and Wilder are losing their credibility and AJ fights Miller, who is at least a live body and poses a bit of a threat.

I really can't see how Showtime profits by doling out such money with no PPV's. Being a Wilder fan is becoming increasingly difficult if he's not going to be facing Joshua and/or Fury over the next year. Fury and Wilder's actions makes AJ look better and better. Rumors of Wlad and Ortiz being fights two and three still don't make the money add up. I wish all of this negotiating was quieter and the fvckers would just man-up and face one another.

Dazn costs less a month than Showtime and I'm sure they have far less subscribers.

I agree, but DAZN has much higher ceiling and covers more markets. Regardless, $100 million from Showtime? No PPV? Just doesn't seem probable. DAZN is in the ramp up stage and is making investments in its future. Showtime is established and isn't focused on just boxing. Showtime subs are approaching 8 million. DAZN numbers are difficult to find. Both subs cost about the same.

I don't think dazn has anywhere near a higher ceiling. How? Because of boxing? Showtime has 20-30 million subscribers and less than 1% watch boxing. You see dazn getting to 50-60 million subscribers for a sport noone watches and no ppv?

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 14:17 Much like the pbc investors did. They are talking hearts/Leonard money for Davis/farmer! I wouldn't sign long term with them. It can't prosper. The only thing I'll give them is pay cable model is definitely dwindling, but I can't see a scenario where this works. It's not about predicting their subscriber rate even near accurately. Do you think dazn can make boxing as popular 8n the states as it was in the 70's?

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 14:20

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 14:17 Much like the pbc investors did. They are talking hearts/Leonard money for Davis/farmer! I wouldn't sign long term with them. It can't prosper. The only thing I'll give them is pay cable model is definitely dwindling, but I can't see a scenario where this works. It's not about predicting their subscriber rate even near accurately. Do you think dazn can make boxing as popular 8n the states as it was in the 70's?

I fear that we'll never see that level of popularity again. Boxing isn't helping itself either.

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Mar 2019, 18:50 Fvcking disgrace to the fighters of yesteryear, guys like Wilder should never be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Ward etc, guys who wanted to fight the best

His motives are baffling

As for Finkel boasting that Wilder can make more without fighting Joshua

Disgusts me

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:47 I don't disagree, but if fox and CBS want to pay I won't scoff at wilder for it. Same as I didn't with fury.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:53

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:47 I don't disagree, but if fox and CBS want to pay I won't scoff at wilder for it. Same as I didn't with fury.

It's not that we don't begrudge their ability to maximize purses, it's the BS of them saying they want to fight each other when that is clearly not the case. Fighters can demand their backers make the fights. The good old days are gone forever.