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Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 13:11
by cormack
oogiebe wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 12:28
tonyevs wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 12:22
dr_devious wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 09:42
No but all the keyboard Rambos on here would
DDD fought on for a few rounds with the same injury.
I haven't read one keyboard Rambo in any of the discussions stating they would - but know of a certain self styled Rambo stating he would .. but didn't.
Exactly right and why BJS is getting all the harsh treatment.
Not sure really if he is being treated more harshly than Dubois ..
But he seems to be universally despised .
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 13:42
by Terminator666
Regardless if he quit, I don’t know of any other boxer fighting on too long with that kind of injury ( could be wrong) so if that’s the case then even if he quit he’s no different to anyone else with that injury
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 14:00
by coghaugen11
This mysterious orbital bone injury didn’t seem to exist until a few years ago
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 14:12
by Terminator666
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 14:00
This mysterious orbital bone injury didn’t seem to exist until a few years ago
Yeah similar with the football injuries- I’d be never heard of metatarsal before Wayne Rooney had that injury.
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 15:58
by tonyevs
Terminator666 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 13:42
Regardless if he quit, I don’t know of any other boxer fighting on too long with that kind of injury ( could be wrong) so if that’s the case then even if he quit he’s no different to anyone else with that injury
Orlando Salido had his orbital bone broke in the first round against Mikey Garcia .. he took a shellacking, and kept getting up until the accidental headbut in the 8th.
As already pointed out .. too many times already; its not that he quit ... but that he boasted previously that he would never quit, even if both eye sockets were broken etc.
But then soon as it gets broke - he absolutely panicked and quit.
For some people an incident may arise when their courage gets tested; when they have a basic core realisation of who they really are ... in a split second its fight or flight moment; people react to incidents without thought but instinct.
BJS found out he wasn`t what he hoped he was in that 8th round when that crunching uppercut landed; he was terrified and quit. That is a difficult realisation for anybody to discover .. especially with millions seeing it happen.
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 16:10
by Terminator666
tonyevs wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 15:58
Terminator666 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 13:42
Regardless if he quit, I don’t know of any other boxer fighting on too long with that kind of injury ( could be wrong) so if that’s the case then even if he quit he’s no different to anyone else with that injury
Orlando Salido had his orbital bone broke in the first round against Mikey Garcia .. he took a shellacking, and kept getting up until the accidental headbut in the 8th.
As already pointed out .. too many times already; its not that he quit ... but that he boasted previously that he would never quit, even if both eye sockets were broken etc.
But then soon as it gets broke - he absolutely panicked and quit.
For some people an incident may arise when their courage gets tested; when they have a basic core realisation of who they really are ... in a split second its fight or flight moment; people react to incidents without thought but instinct.
BJS found out he wasn`t what he hoped he was in that 8th round when that crunching uppercut landed; he was terrified and quit. That is a difficult realisation for anybody to discover .. especially with millions seeing it happen.
Yeah good points-perhaps he realises he’s not as tough as he thought he was
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 16:27
by THEBUTCH
To be honest the BS backers just don't want to get it, they do get it, but are struggling with that.
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 16:44
by margaret thatcher
it's a bit funny to see people who were defending bjs constantly over being a total total disrespectful sh1thead now crying that ppl are being mean to him
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 16:50
by THEBUTCH
The scale of the backlash tells it's own story
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 17:10
by dr_devious
tonyevs wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 12:22
I haven't read one keyboard Rambo in any of the discussions stating they would - but know of a certain self styled Rambo stating he would .. but didn't.
Well he found out he wasn't as tough as he thought he was, so what? He's still tougher than the posters on here who are slagging him for pulling out of a fight with a serious injury.
Can't see the difference between BJS pulling DDD down and the posters on here for pulling BJS down when none of us(give or take a couple of ex pros on here) would have an earthly of carrying on a fight with a facial fracture of this nature.
Pots and kettles works both ways.
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 17:13
by margaret thatcher
bjs has essentially slagged himself off
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 17:22
by THEBUTCH
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 17:43
by gp.
dr_devious wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 17:10
tonyevs wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 12:22
I haven't read one keyboard Rambo in any of the discussions stating they would - but know of a certain self styled Rambo stating he would .. but didn't.
Can't see the difference between BJS pulling DDD down and the posters on here for pulling BJS down .
Can't you?
It's much like the difference between punching an old woman, and punching a guy who punches an old woman.
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 17:53
by dr_devious
Crap analogy
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 18:23
by gp.
If you do something shit, you can't complain when it gets done back to you.
Explain why that doesn't apply.
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 18:25
by oogiebe
gp. wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 18:23
If you do something shit, you can't complain when it gets done back to you.
Explain why that doesn't apply.
Because he's a fanboi. Can't figure anything else.
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 18:26
by Ricky
Terminator666 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 14:12
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 14:00
This mysterious orbital bone injury didn’t seem to exist until a few years ago
Yeah similar with the football injuries- I’d be never heard of metatarsal before Wayne Rooney had that injury.
Didn't Beckham famously break his metatarsal before a world cup?
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 18:27
by gp.
Ricky wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 18:26
Terminator666 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 14:12
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 14:00
This mysterious orbital bone injury didn’t seem to exist until a few years ago
Yeah similar with the football injuries- I’d be never heard of metatarsal before Wayne Rooney had that injury.
Didn't Beckham famously break his metatarsal before a world cup?
He did. I mean loads of people did before that, but we just used to call it "a broken foot".
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 18:30
by Ricky
Terminator666 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 13:42
Regardless if he quit, I don’t know of any other boxer fighting on too long with that kind of injury ( could be wrong) so if that’s the case then even if he quit he’s no different to anyone else with that injury
It shouldn't even be a discussion because if a fighter does somehow fight in with such an injury that would be a total failure by the ringside doctor. An injury like that is life changing, BJS & Dubois were both in the territory of permanent sight loss: the idea of them even being allowed to carry on is, imo, disgraceful to a sport in which we seem to forget the health of the boxers is the most important aspect.
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 18:30
by oogiebe
gp. wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 18:27
Ricky wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 18:26
Terminator666 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 14:12
Yeah similar with the football injuries- I’d be never heard of metatarsal before Wayne Rooney had that injury.
Didn't Beckham famously break his metatarsal before a world cup?
He did. I mean loads of people did before that, but we just used to call it "a broken foot".
I remember guys getting a "broken cheekbone" years ago. Maybe sort of the same thing?
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 18:42
by dr_devious
[quote=oogiebe
Because he's a fanboi. Can't figure anything else.
[/quote]
I'm not a fanboy Dougie. I dont even like BJS
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 18:43
by littlepug
Ricky wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 18:30
Terminator666 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 13:42
Regardless if he quit, I don’t know of any other boxer fighting on too long with that kind of injury ( could be wrong) so if that’s the case then even if he quit he’s no different to anyone else with that injury
It shouldn't even be a discussion because if a fighter does somehow fight in with such an injury that would be a total failure by the ringside doctor. An injury like that is life changing, BJS & Dubois were both in the territory of permanent sight loss: the idea of them even being allowed to carry on is, imo, disgraceful to a sport in which we seem to forget the health of the boxers is the most important aspect.
Inoue did against Donaire
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 19:11
by oogiebe
dr_devious wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 18:42
[quote=oogiebe
Because he's a fanboi. Can't figure anything else.
I'm not a fanboy Dougie. I dont even like BJS
[/quote]
So what is it. No one here stated they were happy he got hurt. Just the irony that he opened his big mouth and suffered the same injury and thereby giving him what he gave DDD who got stick for saying something about joyce's mom's blindness. What goes around comes around.
I honestly don't remember any of these posters saying they are tough and would've fought on had it been them.
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 20:01
by Fray Bentos
Saunders is being judged by his own words - simple as that really. When Dubois quit, I was very sympathetic and supportive and truly believe he did the right thing, I do believe that Saunders did the right thing also but I have no sympathy for him because he has been an utter arse all these years and got away with it the vast majority of the time.
If he came out and said 'I said previously that I would die in the ring than quit but now I realise that my health and my family and my future comes first and that I now realise that my previous statements about other fighters and myself were lacking in the insight I have now and I retract these words totally' then that would go a long way to redeeming himself.
But it doesn't seem he is going to do that - he is going to try and ride it out and lie through his teeth (or get his team to do it on his behalf...) if his team or Saunders are reading this, that would be a really bad idea and he might as well say goodbye to his boxing career in the UK. I think we are all sick to the back teeth of Billy Joe Saunders and his illusions and listening to them.
And what has been said on here is nothing to what Fernando Vargas has said - which I thought was a bit over the top but he has been there and has proved he has the heart of a lion so maybe he has more right to his very scathing views.
Re: Did BS quit against Alverez ?
Posted: 13 May 2021, 20:54
by TheLeprechaun
Fray Bentos wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 20:01
Saunders is being judged by his own words - simple as that really. When Dubois quit, I was very sympathetic and supportive and truly believe he did the right thing, I do believe that Saunders did the right thing also but I have no sympathy for him because he has been an utter arse all these years and got away with it the vast majority of the time.
If he came out and said 'I said previously that I would die in the ring than quit but now I realise that my health and my family and my future comes first and that I now realise that my previous statements about other fighters and myself were lacking in the insight I have now and I retract these words totally' then that would go a long way to redeeming himself.
But it doesn't seem he is going to do that - he is going to try and ride it out and lie through his teeth (or get his team to do it on his behalf...) if his team or Saunders are reading this, that would be a really bad idea and he might as well say goodbye to his boxing career in the UK. I think we are all sick to the back teeth of Billy Joe Saunders and his illusions and listening to them.
And what has been said on here is nothing to what Fernando Vargas has said - which I thought was a bit over the top but he has been there and has proved he has the heart of a lion so maybe he has more right to his very scathing views.
Saunders and Davison can come out and say that he wanted to continue but he never threw a punch after the injury and a lot of people looking at him walking back to the corner and sitting down have made their own judgement - he quit. Tibbs came out and did an interview with Radio Raheem in which he said he didn't see what he needed to see to send Saunders out. My understanding is that Tibbs was the main man in the corner, not Ben. Tibbs doesn't strike me as a yes-man and although he stopped short of saying Saunders quit, he kept it real and said that Saunders body language wasn't conducive to him getting sent out for another round. This contradicts what Davison is now saying.
