The drug cheat thread - UK version.

[margaret thatcher]

big johnny fisher still in the sims camp isnt he? getting his gills pumped full of good stuff?

He always been with Mark Tibbs.

ffs what have i been smoking

[SeanBrennan]

It’s odd isn’t it, and I have done the supplement, that Creatine is not considered performance enhancing when it clearly is. Why? I’m guessing it’s because of the power and money of companies that market and sell it.

It's just an amino acid

I get it but isn’t that just like saying testosterone is a natural hormone and so it makes no difference if people use it?
Also look at creatine powder - it’s a highly processed product, it’s not delivered in its natural form and it’s admitted to be performance enhancing.

I appreciate your point and if you are worried about competing in tested sports but for the layperson you'll have zero sides other than possible a bit of water. This is based on using it on off since 2011 and competing for half of that time. Ditto training alongside natty people (not me) who only took creatine and similar (glutamine etc)

[SeanBrennan]

It’s odd isn’t it, and I have done the supplement, that Creatine is not considered performance enhancing when it clearly is. Why? I’m guessing it’s because of the power and money of companies that market and sell it.

It's just an amino acid

And the negative side effects are generally not a major sacrifice to your health like many other PEDs.

that's what I found, and observed. I am speaking through my own lens of experience and usage, having used very harsh compounds so creatine was always comparatively cuddle and side-free. Entirely so for me with creatine.

if you want terrible sides, run:

3 gram of injectibles a week,
including a gram of tren to give you permanent sweats and paranoia (it was designed for pigs to bulk them, but you won't oink at least)
500mg of masteron to make your hair recede like it has a phobia of your forehead
500 mg of halotestin to ensure you have acne even on your shins
500 mg of deca to make your penis stop working
and 500 mg of equipoise (designed to add muscle to racing horses, and helps you retain muscle well if you're cutting for a weight class - as I was - albeit in a different sport)

sorted.

[golden_labrador]

It's just an amino acid

And the negative side effects are generally not a major sacrifice to your health like many other PEDs.

that's what I found, and observed. I am speaking through my own lens of experience and usage, having used very harsh compounds so creatine was always comparatively cuddle and side-free. Entirely so for me with creatine.

if you want terrible sides, run:

3 gram of injectibles a week,
including a gram of tren to give you permanent sweats and paranoia (it was designed for pigs to bulk them, but you won't oink at least)
500mg of masteron to make your hair recede like it has a phobia of your forehead
500 mg of halotestin to ensure you have acne even on your shins
500 mg of deca to make your penis stop working
and 500 mg of equipoise (designed to add muscle to racing horses, and helps you retain muscle well if you're cutting for a weight class - as I was - albeit in a different sport)

sorted.

jesus wept

[si7dog7]

Wow Sean.
You really do lay it all out there.
So much respect for you my friend.

Will send a DM if ok with you mate?

[SeanBrennan]

And the negative side effects are generally not a major sacrifice to your health like many other PEDs.

that's what I found, and observed. I am speaking through my own lens of experience and usage, having used very harsh compounds so creatine was always comparatively cuddle and side-free. Entirely so for me with creatine.

if you want terrible sides, run:

3 gram of injectibles a week,
including a gram of tren to give you permanent sweats and paranoia (it was designed for pigs to bulk them, but you won't oink at least)
500mg of masteron to make your hair recede like it has a phobia of your forehead
500 mg of halotestin to ensure you have acne even on your shins
500 mg of deca to make your penis stop working
and 500 mg of equipoise (designed to add muscle to racing horses, and helps you retain muscle well if you're cutting for a weight class - as I was - albeit in a different sport)

sorted.

Who on earth advised you to take all that? I’ve got mates within strongman and powerlifting who are around the top level and don’t take even a fraction of all that.

No wonder you have had bad side effects, those are ridiculous amounts to put in your body. I hope you won something after all of that

I'm not questioning your mates but what they say they take and what they do take are usually some considerable distance apart.

I used to tell everyone I never went above a gram a week. (NEARLY) EVERYONE in strongman is lying about their gear usage if they claim they do not use huge dosages. I say nearly - the only trio I know/knew who used little/nothing were Paul Smith (current competitor), Mark Felix and Ben Kelsey a few years ago.

My good mate did Worlds Strongest Junior the year Tom Stoltman won it (2015 iirc) and even at junior level they were on insane dosages. He came 7th and won the first event for his sins and the cycle nearly killed him.

If you hear a strongman tell you he does not use masses, he is either:

a) lying,
b) lying, or
c) lying

As for me? I came 3rd in a few comps, got a 2nd on a dodgy countback (I think I came 3rd but the ref's maths was as bad as I was at strongman) and generally epically mediocre placings like 7th our of 17, or 9th out of 33. I once came 7th out of 8 (in my strongman debut) and the only reason I beat 8th place was he was on nights and went home before the stones. I only just beat him with the last event as well. Destined for greatness.

I'm not one of those bitter losers who says everyone's on loads cos I took loads and was rubbish. I know as I either sold them it, their base compounds or know who they bought it from. They'd have been much better than me on Ribena, I've no axe to grind.

On a funny note, they got the trophies wrong for one of my 3rd places once so gave me the 1st place for the lightweight women's class as no lightweight women entered. So technically I did win and was the strongest lightweight strongwoman in the Melton Mowbray area circa 2015.

The wife took the trophy in the divorce....

In terms of sides, exactly - all justly deserved - stick that in your body, you're asking for trouble.

I am not talking about powerlifting btw, only strongman. I always found powerlifting to be so cliquey, I did a few comps but just found it weird. I think I did BPU and GPU/C iirc, it was so so cliquey and everyone seemed to have a random British record that only they were eligible for. '1-legged raw equiped single-ply 37 year old called Steve class', and so on.

[SeanBrennan]

And the negative side effects are generally not a major sacrifice to your health like many other PEDs.

that's what I found, and observed. I am speaking through my own lens of experience and usage, having used very harsh compounds so creatine was always comparatively cuddle and side-free. Entirely so for me with creatine.

if you want terrible sides, run:

3 gram of injectibles a week,
including a gram of tren to give you permanent sweats and paranoia (it was designed for pigs to bulk them, but you won't oink at least)
500mg of masteron to make your hair recede like it has a phobia of your forehead
500 mg of halotestin to ensure you have acne even on your shins
500 mg of deca to make your penis stop working
and 500 mg of equipoise (designed to add muscle to racing horses, and helps you retain muscle well if you're cutting for a weight class - as I was - albeit in a different sport)

sorted.

Who on earth advised you to take all that? I’ve got mates within strongman and powerlifting who are around the top level and don’t take even a fraction of all that.

No wonder you have had bad side effects, those are ridiculous amounts to put in your body. I hope you won something after all of that

and in terms of advice, none taken sadly, I made all those stupid decisions myself so can't even lay the blame on anyone else. Our gym owner who is family to me, competed and judged in bodybuilding for over 2 decades and always provided sensible advice (as in take naff all or take very little unless it's your living), but I thought I knew best.

[SeanBrennan]

Wow Sean.
You really do lay it all out there.
So much respect for you my friend.

Will send a DM if ok with you mate?

of course Si, you can message me anytime. I've not been on here much as been in Peak District with the wife daughter and inlaws who are over from Oz, but back home so back in front of laptop.

[SeanBrennan]

And the negative side effects are generally not a major sacrifice to your health like many other PEDs.

that's what I found, and observed. I am speaking through my own lens of experience and usage, having used very harsh compounds so creatine was always comparatively cuddle and side-free. Entirely so for me with creatine.

if you want terrible sides, run:

3 gram of injectibles a week,
including a gram of tren to give you permanent sweats and paranoia (it was designed for pigs to bulk them, but you won't oink at least)
500mg of masteron to make your hair recede like it has a phobia of your forehead
500 mg of halotestin to ensure you have acne even on your shins
500 mg of deca to make your penis stop working
and 500 mg of equipoise (designed to add muscle to racing horses, and helps you retain muscle well if you're cutting for a weight class - as I was - albeit in a different sport)

sorted.

jesus wept

there's a joke about jesus and getting jabbed but I'm leaving it...

[SeanBrennan]

and I didn't mention the oral compounds either - anadrol at 50mg a day (a super super toxic oral), dbol at 60mg a day, and human growth hormone. Tbh I took HGH as it allowed me to eat anything and stay lean. Then add in your peptides like cjc1295 and ghrp2 and you're laughing (or crying)

[SeanBrennan]

Who on earth advised you to take all that? I’ve got mates within strongman and powerlifting who are around the top level and don’t take even a fraction of all that.

No wonder you have had bad side effects, those are ridiculous amounts to put in your body. I hope you won something after all of that

and in terms of advice, none taken sadly, I made all those stupid decisions myself so can't even lay the blame on anyone else. Our gym owner who is family to me, competed and judged in bodybuilding for over 2 decades and always provided sensible advice (as in take naff all or take very little unless it's your living), but I thought I knew best.

Fair play mate. I have heard of bodybuilders taking mad amounts but that’s some stack!

I’ve had sides off 200mg test only per week even with the odd aromasin.

The sweet spot for me is 80mg a week test E, dont have any issues with my blood work when max it at that.

we're all different mate. 200mg could definitely give you sides. we're not meant to whack in loads of testosterone are we?! Test E is the best test imo, slower releasing. Hope you're feeling healthy and happy on it.

My stack was indeed mad and fuelled almost solely by ego/insecurity, using the mask/pretext (cue sad music) of competing to use loads of gear and be far bigger than I'm meant to be. My argument and rationale remains I always had a giant (literally not figuratively) head a la Hey Arnold so was trying to get the body to catch up.....

[SeanBrennan]

Fair play mate. I have heard of bodybuilders taking mad amounts but that’s some stack!

I’ve had sides off 200mg test only per week even with the odd aromasin.

The sweet spot for me is 80mg a week test E, dont have any issues with my blood work when max it at that.

we're all different mate. 200mg could definitely give you sides. we're not meant to whack in loads of testosterone are we?! Test E is the best test imo, slower releasing. Hope you're feeling healthy and happy on it.

My stack was indeed mad and fuelled almost solely by ego/insecurity, using the mask/pretext (cue sad music) of competing to use loads of gear and be far bigger than I'm meant to be. My argument and rationale remains I always had a giant (literally not figuratively) head a la Hey Arnold so was trying to get the body to catch up.....

You should have kept the giant head and smaller body and boxed usually the big head guys have granite chins at their weight.

I know someone competing in the Giants Live just now and their stack is small but they are naturally pretty big. It’s a deadly game at those amounts.

Most of the best boxers are genetically gifted and only a little touch of the right compounds can give them that small edge they want/need.

It’s definitely a myth that the best are the ones on “the most” gear. A sweet spot is achieved when doctors can do regular blood work while microdosing with pharmaceutical grade compounds.

I can only speak from my own experiences and observations, so won't second guess the person you know. If they're on a small stack, all credit to them (and their health).