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rhino222 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 17:57 Fraser Clarkes injury

being a guy that spent 37 years as an anaesthetic practitioner in operating theatres all over the world....i could see that Clarke had a depressed fractured zygoma, this bone can be elevated back into position with a relatively short GA without metalwork being needed to hold it in position. His physical recovery will be relatively quick (6 weeks) but his mental recovery will be the issue. I think Big Fraze should hang them up, if he cant lead the pack at British level then he hasnt got enough time left to do anything in the sport now.

Big Fraze comes across well on tv, he is knowledgeable and insightful and good on the mic. Thats the direction his career should head in now. he has an olympic medal in the locker which is not too shabby and will have earned decent coin for last nights fight.

As for Fabio, its very interesting. My opinion is that he is now knocking on the door of fringe world level but he is unproven above top domestic level. He now needs to fight a fellow gatekeeper 'name' that knows how to lose. My advice would be to feed either Chisora, Joyce, Whyte, Ortiz or Takam to him. Wardley should put any of them away if he is going to the next level. Then he will be ready for the big boys.

Fearful_Freddie wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 08:05

Cyclops wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 06:59 Hasn't Clarke done some punditry in the past? I think that could be the future for him. He's likeable and last night was a horrifying KO. I would hate to see him take any more damage.

Agree with this.

Wales wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 18:54

Fearful_Freddie wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 08:05

Cyclops wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 06:59 Hasn't Clarke done some punditry in the past? I think that could be the future for him. He's likeable and last night was a horrifying KO. I would hate to see him take any more damage.

Agree with this.

Hopefully he has looked after the money he’s made or has a succession plan already in place. I read his purse last weekend was $350,000, circa £268,000 (take off tax at call it 40%) leaves around £161,000 before trainer, manager and expenses deductions.

Guessing around £120k “take home”

Wales wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:01

Wales wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 18:54

Fearful_Freddie wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 08:05 Agree with this.

Hopefully he has looked after the money he’s made or has a succession plan already in place. I read his purse last weekend was $350,000, circa £268,000 (take off tax at call it 40%) leaves around £161,000 before trainer, manager and expenses deductions.

Guessing around £120k “take home”

Punditry is generally no more than a few quid here and there. Plus I know first hand Sky Sports focus on the credibility of the pundits on the panel. Putting it bluntly will the viewers respect the opinion of a guy who was KOd in one round and never won a British title?

A very well respected and well liked former sky boxing pundit lost his comeback fight following a loss in a WBC world title eliminator. Sky “suggested” he retire as a third loss in a row would “damage his credibility as a pundit on their platform”. He then retired .

Coco wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:07

Wales wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:01

Wales wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 18:54

Hopefully he has looked after the money he’s made or has a succession plan already in place. I read his purse last weekend was $350,000, circa £268,000 (take off tax at call it 40%) leaves around £161,000 before trainer, manager and expenses deductions.

Guessing around £120k “take home”

Punditry is generally no more than a few quid here and there. Plus I know first hand Sky Sports focus on the credibility of the pundits on the panel. Putting it bluntly will the viewers respect the opinion of a guy who was KOd in one round and never won a British title?

A very well respected and well liked former sky boxing pundit lost his comeback fight following a loss in a WBC world title eliminator. Sky “suggested” he retire as a third loss in a row would “damage his credibility as a pundit on their platform”. He then retired .

Never did Nicky Piper any harm!

But you are right, it's no full time job

I'm surprised his purse was that low, I would have guessed double that

Wales wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:16

Coco wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:07

Wales wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:01

Punditry is generally no more than a few quid here and there. Plus I know first hand Sky Sports focus on the credibility of the pundits on the panel. Putting it bluntly will the viewers respect the opinion of a guy who was KOd in one round and never won a British title?

A very well respected and well liked former sky boxing pundit lost his comeback fight following a loss in a WBC world title eliminator. Sky “suggested” he retire as a third loss in a row would “damage his credibility as a pundit on their platform”. He then retired .

Never did Nicky Piper any harm!

But you are right, it's no full time job

I'm surprised his purse was that low, I would have guessed double that

Reportedly Wardley $500k Clarke $350k

Piper fought for world title 3 times …. But there are exceptions and I guess other attributes they look for.

Coco wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:24 In fairness that's good money for a British title fight.

Folk saying that Eubank turned down 5 mil to fight Sheeraz must be well wide of the mark.

FW must be telling porkies

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:45

Coco wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:24 In fairness that's good money for a British title fight.

Folk saying that Eubank turned down 5 mil to fight Sheeraz must be well wide of the mark.

FW must be telling porkies

Apparently they offered Janibek $1.5m and he's a beltholder

Obviously Eubank's a bigger name in the UK but they wouldn't have offered him anywhere near that if he has no belt to bring to the table

Coco wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:24

Wales wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:16

Coco wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:07

Never did Nicky Piper any harm!

But you are right, it's no full time job

I'm surprised his purse was that low, I would have guessed double that

Reportedly Wardley $500k Clarke $350k

Piper fought for world title 3 times …. But there are exceptions and I guess other attributes they look for.

In fairness that's good money for a British title fight.

Folk saying that Eubank turned down 5 mil to fight Sheeraz must be well wide of the mark.

FW must be telling porkies

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 06:38
They were trying to make a new AJ..

Coco wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:07

Wales wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 19:01

Wales wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 18:54

Hopefully he has looked after the money he’s made or has a succession plan already in place. I read his purse last weekend was $350,000, circa £268,000 (take off tax at call it 40%) leaves around £161,000 before trainer, manager and expenses deductions.

Guessing around £120k “take home”

Punditry is generally no more than a few quid here and there. Plus I know first hand Sky Sports focus on the credibility of the pundits on the panel. Putting it bluntly will the viewers respect the opinion of a guy who was KOd in one round and never won a British title?

A very well respected and well liked former sky boxing pundit lost his comeback fight following a loss in a WBC world title eliminator. Sky “suggested” he retire as a third loss in a row would “damage his credibility as a pundit on their platform”. He then retired .

Never did Nicky Piper any harm!

But you are right, it's no full time job

I'm surprised his purse was that low, I would have guessed double that

golden_labrador wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 18:35

rhino222 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 17:57 Fraser Clarkes injury

being a guy that spent 37 years as an anaesthetic practitioner in operating theatres all over the world....i could see that Clarke had a depressed fractured zygoma, this bone can be elevated back into position with a relatively short GA without metalwork being needed to hold it in position. His physical recovery will be relatively quick (6 weeks) but his mental recovery will be the issue. I think Big Fraze should hang them up, if he cant lead the pack at British level then he hasnt got enough time left to do anything in the sport now.

Big Fraze comes across well on tv, he is knowledgeable and insightful and good on the mic. Thats the direction his career should head in now. he has an olympic medal in the locker which is not too shabby and will have earned decent coin for last nights fight.

As for Fabio, its very interesting. My opinion is that he is now knocking on the door of fringe world level but he is unproven above top domestic level. He now needs to fight a fellow gatekeeper 'name' that knows how to lose. My advice would be to feed either Chisora, Joyce, Whyte, Ortiz or Takam to him. Wardley should put any of them away if he is going to the next level. Then he will be ready for the big boys.

Wardley-Chisora for Derek's final farewell

Wales wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 07:35

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 06:38
They were trying to make a new AJ..

Never going to happen. Im sure Shalom WANTED to make a new AJ - but Clarke was NEVER going to be built into that.
AJ came out of the biggest Olympics in UK history with a gold medal at 21/22. He had the look, the power, was on the news, in the papers, on talk shows and had the full promotional power of both Hearn and SKY behind him.

The fact Clarke failed to qualify for London Olympics due to AJ in 2012, then failed to qualify for Rio in 2016 due to joe Joyce indicates ehe was never going to be anywhere the next AJ. When he did qualify he won a bronze which doesn’t capture the imagination of the masses.

After London everyone knew AJs name … even now if shown a photograph I doubt many people in the street would be able to name him.

Hopefully he has looked after the money he’s made or has a succession plan already in place. I read his purse last weekend was $350,000, circa £268,000 (take off tax at call it 40%) leaves around £161,000 before trainer, manager and expenses deductions.

Guessing around £120k “take home”

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 11:34

Wales wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 07:35

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 06:38
They were trying to make a new AJ..

Never going to happen. Im sure Shalom WANTED to make a new AJ - but Clarke was NEVER going to be built into that.
AJ came out of the biggest Olympics in UK history with a gold medal at 21/22. He had the look, the power, was on the news, in the papers, on talk shows and had the full promotional power of both Hearn and SKY behind him.

The fact Clarke failed to qualify for London Olympics due to AJ in 2012, then failed to qualify for Rio in 2016 due to joe Joyce indicates ehe was never going to be anywhere the next AJ. When he did qualify he won a bronze which doesn’t capture the imagination of the masses.

After London everyone knew AJs name … even now if shown a photograph I doubt many people in the street would be able to name him.

It’s quite clear that Shalom knows next to nothing on boxing. He’s overpaid for average fighters, invested loads in women fighters who make no money or ticket sales….. who’s he’s got who could go big now? Bad weekend for him - Massey and Clarke brutalised and Ben Quittaker shown up majorly. Azeez failed at top level too. Marku predictably beaten. CBS in deep water and if he wins gets battered by Opetaia.
Martin Bakole has potential to earn as he’s a big hitting heavyweight but will never be a Fury / AJ and needs a shot at the world title.

Adam Azim seems the only one with star potential.

tony1234 wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 15:51

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 11:34

Wales wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 07:35

Never going to happen. Im sure Shalom WANTED to make a new AJ - but Clarke was NEVER going to be built into that.
AJ came out of the biggest Olympics in UK history with a gold medal at 21/22. He had the look, the power, was on the news, in the papers, on talk shows and had the full promotional power of both Hearn and SKY behind him.

The fact Clarke failed to qualify for London Olympics due to AJ in 2012, then failed to qualify for Rio in 2016 due to joe Joyce indicates ehe was never going to be anywhere the next AJ. When he did qualify he won a bronze which doesn’t capture the imagination of the masses.

After London everyone knew AJs name … even now if shown a photograph I doubt many people in the street would be able to name him.

It’s quite clear that Shalom knows next to nothing on boxing. He’s overpaid for average fighters, invested loads in women fighters who make no money or ticket sales….. who’s he’s got who could go big now? Bad weekend for him - Massey and Clarke brutalised and Ben Quittaker shown up majorly. Azeez failed at top level too. Marku predictably beaten. CBS in deep water and if he wins gets battered by Opetaia.
Martin Bakole has potential to earn as he’s a big hitting heavyweight but will never be a Fury / AJ and needs a shot at the world title.

Adam Azim seems the only one with star potential.

Plus Okolie and Riakporhe must have been on substantial contracts for little or no return . Olympic gold medallists once meant something now they're so common that their value is worthless

Coco wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 13:26 Your jaw is never right after it is bust.

Normally the last two fight are enough for the promoter to break the contract.

Wonder if Shalom will keep him on

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 15:58

tony1234 wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 15:51

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 11:34

It’s quite clear that Shalom knows next to nothing on boxing. He’s overpaid for average fighters, invested loads in women fighters who make no money or ticket sales….. who’s he’s got who could go big now? Bad weekend for him - Massey and Clarke brutalised and Ben Quittaker shown up majorly. Azeez failed at top level too. Marku predictably beaten. CBS in deep water and if he wins gets battered by Opetaia.
Martin Bakole has potential to earn as he’s a big hitting heavyweight but will never be a Fury / AJ and needs a shot at the world title.

Adam Azim seems the only one with star potential.

Plus Okolie and Riakporhe must have been on substantial contracts for little or no return . Olympic gold medallists once meant something now they're so common that their value is worthless

He has Buatsi and Yarde too.

So he has that one to play.

No world title involved.

Should not be PPV either.

stevec@france wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 16:14

Coco wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 13:26 Your jaw is never right after it is bust.

Normally the last two fight are enough for the promoter to break the contract.

Wonder if Shalom will keep him on

opetai is managing well enough .......