Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:16
Your entire post history on the subject is definitive evidence, “doctor.” 
Your entire post history on the subject is definitive evidence, “doctor.” BoxRec
Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
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Your entire post history on the subject is definitive evidence, “doctor.” Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:19
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:29
Personally, I can't stand Fury. I've been very vocal about the fact, on this very forum. He disgraced the sport with his antics after winning the titles, and I don't consider him in any way, shape, or form, a 'lineal' champion.
I still managed to put my personal feelings toward the man aside, and score the fight according to the criteria. He didn't exactly go in there and rip the belt from around the champ's waist, but Wilder did throw it away. Fury won.
That was a pathetic excuse of a performance from a defending champion. Truly abysmal.
I still managed to put my personal feelings toward the man aside, and score the fight according to the criteria. He didn't exactly go in there and rip the belt from around the champ's waist, but Wilder did throw it away. Fury won.
That was a pathetic excuse of a performance from a defending champion. Truly abysmal.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:38
I can really only speak for myself but (although by fight-time Fury's confidence had softened my attitude considerably) my initial slating of the fight as a mismatch was because I fully expected Fury with three years without a fight worthy of the description, and after his well documented troubles would get blown away in short order.jamamb wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 15:45 not sure on wilders rep, he was the favourite and to win by ko and he didnt, plus now hes bumped from being the clear guy aj has to fight, remember all the wilder vs aj talk before? it was a clear 1 vs 2 but no longer is. wilder winning wouldve really boosted his position there relative to the divisions biggest draw.
if the ppv numbers are really good that will help them both though, although i dont think a draw like this is really a star making fight
It soon became clear Fury might not have been at his absolute peak, but he was definitely still a world class opponent and in showing himself capable of contesting 12 hard rounds and coming within a whisker of knocking out the man, raises Wilder in my estimation in a way that demolishing a shadow of the former champion never could.
I still believe that team Wilder thought Tyson Fury would be a great name in Deontay's win column for relatively little risk. I think their miscalculation must have given them palpitations but it gave Deontay another opportunity to show his mettle in a real contest and he came through it with honour intact even enhanced. Hopefully after Ortiz and now Fury, Haymon will now realize Wilder can take care of himself and doesn't require the careful matchmaking we've seen in the past.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 16:41
Fair enough. I disagree. I thought he did well more than enough. I really could not stand either coming in. I preferred AJ, and consider him the HW King. But, I have to acknowledge what both accomplished in there. Fury’s comeback must be recognized. Wilder garnered my respect also.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:29 Personally, I can't stand Fury. I've been very vocal about the fact, on this very forum. He disgraced the sport with his antics after winning the titles, and I don't consider him in any way, shape, or form, a 'lineal' champion.
I still managed to put my personal feelings toward the man aside, and score the fight according to the criteria. He didn't exactly go in there and rip the belt from around the champ's waist, but Wilder did throw it away. Fury won.
That was a pathetic excuse of a performance from a defending champion. Truly abysmal.
I like them both more now. They are both just contenders for AJ’s throne though.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 17:12
No, I can accept not everyone is going to agree with me. Any sport that relies on a judging system to determine the outcome leaves at least some room for subjectivity.ironbeard wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:41Fair enough. I disagree. I thought he did well more than enough. I really could not stand either coming in. I preferred AJ, and consider him the HW King. But, I have to acknowledge what both accomplished in there. Fury’s comeback must be recognized. Wilder garnered my respect also.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:29 Personally, I can't stand Fury. I've been very vocal about the fact, on this very forum. He disgraced the sport with his antics after winning the titles, and I don't consider him in any way, shape, or form, a 'lineal' champion.
I still managed to put my personal feelings toward the man aside, and score the fight according to the criteria. He didn't exactly go in there and rip the belt from around the champ's waist, but Wilder did throw it away. Fury won.
That was a pathetic excuse of a performance from a defending champion. Truly abysmal.
I like them both more now. They are both just contenders for AJ’s throne though.
I'd probably say I like both more, too. Wilder, for challenging himself, and Fury for his resilience, and the comeback (I thought he'd be under prepared and get flattened before half distance). But, I'd also probably make both pretty sizeable underdogs against Joshua now. I might even make Povetkin a slight favourite over Wilder, based on styles.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 18:11
Pretty much anyone in the top ten is a threat to Wilder but he is still a bigger threat to all of them but AJ, imo.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 17:12No, I can accept not everyone is going to agree with me. Any sport that relies on a judging system to determine the outcome leaves at least some room for subjectivity.ironbeard wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:41Fair enough. I disagree. I thought he did well more than enough. I really could not stand either coming in. I preferred AJ, and consider him the HW King. But, I have to acknowledge what both accomplished in there. Fury’s comeback must be recognized. Wilder garnered my respect also.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 16:29 Personally, I can't stand Fury. I've been very vocal about the fact, on this very forum. He disgraced the sport with his antics after winning the titles, and I don't consider him in any way, shape, or form, a 'lineal' champion.
I still managed to put my personal feelings toward the man aside, and score the fight according to the criteria. He didn't exactly go in there and rip the belt from around the champ's waist, but Wilder did throw it away. Fury won.
That was a pathetic excuse of a performance from a defending champion. Truly abysmal.
I like them both more now. They are both just contenders for AJ’s throne though.
I'd probably say I like both more, too. Wilder, for challenging himself, and Fury for his resilience, and the comeback (I thought he'd be under prepared and get flattened before half distance). But, I'd also probably make both pretty sizeable underdogs against Joshua now. I might even make Povetkin a slight favourite over Wilder, based on styles.
AJ should flip a coin and fight either Fury or Wilder in April.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 19:45
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 20:08
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 04:48
That's how I see it except I consider Wilder a very real threat to Joshua, even though I'd make Joshua odds on to beat him.
You can never write off anyone who can punch like that and we've seen AJ isn't immune to a straight right
I just read your post again. I had thought you meant he wasn't a big threat to Joshua but now I believe you are saying he is a threat just not as big a threat as Joshua is to him. If so then we are in full agreement.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:22
I've just rewatched the fight again. I've been rewatching it every f#$%ing day, what an exciting bout, for me the fight of the year so far. And nothing more epic will happen most likely. And I'm getting just more sure about the fact of the robbery. In the first 4 rounds Fury didn't had a huge edge, but he had it. People, who say stuff, like "Well, that was close, just few punches more from Fury, could have gone either way", etc, are arguing with logic. A small edge and so what? It's still the edge. In that segment only the 2nd was really close to being even, cause there noticeable stuff was scored in about the same amounts. The other and the last close round is the 5th, cause Fury woke up a bit late there. Since then Fury's dominance was more clear, he wasn't just outjabbing Wilder, he was scoring stunning shots frequently. Wilder made a break to that only in the KD rounds, only with actual KDs. So 4 rounds is the upper limit for Wilder, Deontay was whistling near Fury with his windmill and getting outlanded for almost the whole fight. 114-112 is the least possible score, the other acceptable ones are the wider scores for The Gypsy King, who was bewildering Wilder for the majority of time.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:39
DrDuke wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 14:22 I've just rewatched the fight again. I've been rewatching it every f#$%ing day, what an exciting bout, for me the fight of the year so far. And nothing more epic will happen most likely. And I'm getting just more sure about the fact of the robbery. In the first 4 rounds Fury didn't had a huge edge, but he had it. People, who say stuff, like "Well, that was close, just few punches more from Fury, could have gone either way", etc, are arguing with logic. A small edge and so what? It's still the edge. In that segment only the 2nd was really close to being even, cause there noticeable stuff was scored in about the same amounts. The other and the last close round is the 5th, cause Fury woke up a bit late there. Since then Fury's dominance was more clear, he wasn't just outjabbing Wilder, he was scoring stunning shots frequently. Wilder made a break to that only in the KD rounds, only with actual KDs. So 4 rounds is the upper limit for Wilder, Deontay was whistling near Fury with his windmill and getting outlanded for almost the whole fight. 114-112 is the least possible score, the other acceptable ones are the wider scores for The Gypsy King, who was bewildering Wilder for the majority of time.
Tyson was scoring stunning shots? LOL. Spilkva, Ortiz, and even Duhaupus scored better shots against Deontay than Fury did. You acknowledge that the 2nd round was "really close." I thought Wilder did better in the 1st round than the second round.
If you admit that 114-112 is somewhat reasonable, you cannot call a draw a robbery.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:42
“Stunning shots?” Seriously, you are obsessed and delusional.DrDuke wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 14:22 I've just rewatched the fight again. I've been rewatching it every f#$%ing day, what an exciting bout, for me the fight of the year so far. And nothing more epic will happen most likely. And I'm getting just more sure about the fact of the robbery. In the first 4 rounds Fury didn't had a huge edge, but he had it. People, who say stuff, like "Well, that was close, just few punches more from Fury, could have gone either way", etc, are arguing with logic. A small edge and so what? It's still the edge. In that segment only the 2nd was really close to being even, cause there noticeable stuff was scored in about the same amounts. The other and the last close round is the 5th, cause Fury woke up a bit late there. Since then Fury's dominance was more clear, he wasn't just outjabbing Wilder, he was scoring stunning shots frequently. Wilder made a break to that only in the KD rounds, only with actual KDs. So 4 rounds is the upper limit for Wilder, Deontay was whistling near Fury with his windmill and getting outlanded for almost the whole fight. 114-112 is the least possible score, the other acceptable ones are the wider scores for The Gypsy King, who was bewildering Wilder for the majority of time.
I take no pleasure pointing that out at this juncture.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:43
Szpilka, Ortiz, and even Duhaupus stunned Wilder more and so what (Btw don't remember anything really much stunning from Szapilka)? Whoever could have scored more stunning shots, that won't make Fury's shots not stunning at all.Tony1244 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 14:39DrDuke wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 14:22 I've just rewatched the fight again. I've been rewatching it every f#$%ing day, what an exciting bout, for me the fight of the year so far. And nothing more epic will happen most likely. And I'm getting just more sure about the fact of the robbery. In the first 4 rounds Fury didn't had a huge edge, but he had it. People, who say stuff, like "Well, that was close, just few punches more from Fury, could have gone either way", etc, are arguing with logic. A small edge and so what? It's still the edge. In that segment only the 2nd was really close to being even, cause there noticeable stuff was scored in about the same amounts. The other and the last close round is the 5th, cause Fury woke up a bit late there. Since then Fury's dominance was more clear, he wasn't just outjabbing Wilder, he was scoring stunning shots frequently. Wilder made a break to that only in the KD rounds, only with actual KDs. So 4 rounds is the upper limit for Wilder, Deontay was whistling near Fury with his windmill and getting outlanded for almost the whole fight. 114-112 is the least possible score, the other acceptable ones are the wider scores for The Gypsy King, who was bewildering Wilder for the majority of time.
Tyson was scoring stunning shots? LOL. Spilkva, Ortiz, and even Duhaupus scored better shots against Deontay than Fury did. You acknowledge that the 2nd round was "really close." I thought Wilder did better in the 1st round than the second round.
If you admit that 114-112 is somewhat reasonable, you cannot call a draw a robbery.
If I admit that 114-112 is somewhat reasonable and the least possible score, as I also said, I can call anything closer a robbery, cause I marked, that the named score was the least possible I can give.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:47
You are either blind or retarded. No 3rd option is possible. Denying what can be seen isn't going to another cathegories.ironbeard wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 14:42“Stunning shots?” Seriously, you are obsessed and delusional.DrDuke wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 14:22 I've just rewatched the fight again. I've been rewatching it every f#$%ing day, what an exciting bout, for me the fight of the year so far. And nothing more epic will happen most likely. And I'm getting just more sure about the fact of the robbery. In the first 4 rounds Fury didn't had a huge edge, but he had it. People, who say stuff, like "Well, that was close, just few punches more from Fury, could have gone either way", etc, are arguing with logic. A small edge and so what? It's still the edge. In that segment only the 2nd was really close to being even, cause there noticeable stuff was scored in about the same amounts. The other and the last close round is the 5th, cause Fury woke up a bit late there. Since then Fury's dominance was more clear, he wasn't just outjabbing Wilder, he was scoring stunning shots frequently. Wilder made a break to that only in the KD rounds, only with actual KDs. So 4 rounds is the upper limit for Wilder, Deontay was whistling near Fury with his windmill and getting outlanded for almost the whole fight. 114-112 is the least possible score, the other acceptable ones are the wider scores for The Gypsy King, who was bewildering Wilder for the majority of time.
I take no pleasure pointing that out at this juncture.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:50
DrDuke wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 14:47You are either blind or retarded. No 3rd option is possible. Denying what can be seen isn't going to another cathegories.ironbeard wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 14:42“Stunning shots?” Seriously, you are obsessed and delusional.DrDuke wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 14:22 I've just rewatched the fight again. I've been rewatching it every f#$%ing day, what an exciting bout, for me the fight of the year so far. And nothing more epic will happen most likely. And I'm getting just more sure about the fact of the robbery. In the first 4 rounds Fury didn't had a huge edge, but he had it. People, who say stuff, like "Well, that was close, just few punches more from Fury, could have gone either way", etc, are arguing with logic. A small edge and so what? It's still the edge. In that segment only the 2nd was really close to being even, cause there noticeable stuff was scored in about the same amounts. The other and the last close round is the 5th, cause Fury woke up a bit late there. Since then Fury's dominance was more clear, he wasn't just outjabbing Wilder, he was scoring stunning shots frequently. Wilder made a break to that only in the KD rounds, only with actual KDs. So 4 rounds is the upper limit for Wilder, Deontay was whistling near Fury with his windmill and getting outlanded for almost the whole fight. 114-112 is the least possible score, the other acceptable ones are the wider scores for The Gypsy King, who was bewildering Wilder for the majority of time.
I take no pleasure pointing that out at this juncture.
You have cornered the market on sour grapes, “doctor.” Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:55
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:56
Exactly that. Not only was the mexican judge paid to fabricate a winning scorecard for wilder, the british judge was paid to pull a draw out of his ass to secure the scorecard total would be a draw if wilder actually looses & it goes the distance, which is what happened & was highly likely to happen. No other explanation than corruption to make sure wilder keeps his O.DrDuke wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 14:22 I've just rewatched the fight again. I've been rewatching it every f#$%ing day, what an exciting bout, for me the fight of the year so far. And nothing more epic will happen most likely. And I'm getting just more sure about the fact of the robbery. In the first 4 rounds Fury didn't had a huge edge, but he had it. People, who say stuff, like "Well, that was close, just few punches more from Fury, could have gone either way", etc, are arguing with logic. A small edge and so what? It's still the edge. In that segment only the 2nd was really close to being even, cause there noticeable stuff was scored in about the same amounts. The other and the last close round is the 5th, cause Fury woke up a bit late there. Since then Fury's dominance was more clear, he wasn't just outjabbing Wilder, he was scoring stunning shots frequently. Wilder made a break to that only in the KD rounds, only with actual KDs. So 4 rounds is the upper limit for Wilder, Deontay was whistling near Fury with his windmill and getting outlanded for almost the whole fight. 114-112 is the least possible score, the other acceptable ones are the wider scores for The Gypsy King, who was bewildering Wilder for the majority of time.
WHAT i don't get how could they left out the rematch clause in case of a draw? Wonder who wanted that stipulation in the contract? Guess! That's the way they took, actually loosing the fight, keeping the belt & not to have face fury again.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 14:59
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 15:04
You're better to relogin back to your phony account, more evident stuff is somehow actually going from there and here only stinky vomit is bursting from ya.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 15:07
Another thread devolving to ridiculous.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 15:09
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 15:12
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 15:16
I've yet to comment on the fight as I've yet to see it, other than the 12th round knockdown. I'm just sick of going to threads only to see insults and petty commentary. I have, however; soured on Wilder given his broken arm BS. All I know is Fury must've put on some kind of performance for such a close fight considering the 2 knockdowns.
Re: Tyson Fury was robbed against Deontay Wilder
Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 16:51
There really wasn’t much going on for the first six. Fury became more offensive in the second six and paid dearly for it.oogiebe wrote: ↑05 Dec 2018, 15:16I've yet to comment on the fight as I've yet to see it, other than the 12th round knockdown. I'm just sick of going to threads only to see insults and petty commentary. I have, however; soured on Wilder given his broken arm BS. All I know is Fury must've put on some kind of performance for such a close fight considering the 2 knockdowns.
It was high drama, not high action. Really high caliber HW fight though. I really look forward to seeing them both in action again, in rematch or not.
I do prefer Wilder fights because the tension is extreme for 12 rounds going both ways. You know that Wilder can floor at elephant at any moment. Yet, against top HWs he can also be rocked for as long as it lasts.
Wilder also has a throng of haters the likes that has not been seen since FMJ.