Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance

[JWP]

Serious ramifications for BBBC as well surely? this nonsense of right to appeal and still being able to fight, do they not see they're open to a bankrupting lawsuit? (not to mention a serious accident waiting to happen in the ring).

International Boxing as a sport is fucked unless it can be universally policed, but it wont, ego and greed will get in the way.

[tobyh5]

The supplements he has been supplied with are batch tested under Informed Sport, 100%. No chance it is a contaminated supp from my mate.

Well that's good. By the way, I know you're very knowledgeable on this kind of thing- what's the main reason people take Dianabol specifically? What's it specifically good for?

People have answered that one really well and tbh, I know very little about PED's, have no interest in that side of training at all. My knowledge on training, dieting and muscle gain etc is decent but not high level. A solid 6 - 7 out of 10. I know a bit about it all, a lot about certain things. Same as anyone on most hobbies I guess

[tobyh5]

Serious ramifications for BBBC as well surely? this nonsense of right to appeal and still being able to fight, do they not see they're open to a bankrupting lawsuit? (not to mention a serious accident waiting to happen in the ring).

International Boxing as a sport is fucked unless it can be universally policed, but it wont, ego and greed will get in the way.

Totally. If they thought the Michael Watson judgement was heavy, imagine how much more it woulda been if Chris had been juiced, and they knew

[oogiebe]

The more I think this situation over the more I fear that more non-UK fighters won't want to fight in England. That would be tragic. We're already hearing from Ruiz and Loma.

[margaret thatcher]

The more I think this situation over the more I fear that more non-UK fighters won't want to fight in England. That would be tragic. We're already hearing from Ruiz and Loma.

what did loma say, hes got a uk fight scheduled there

[Nondescript]

The more I think this situation over the more I fear that more non-UK fighters won't want to fight in England. That would be tragic. We're already hearing from Ruiz and Loma.

Whats Loma said?

[oogiebe]

The more I think this situation over the more I fear that more non-UK fighters won't want to fight in England. That would be tragic. We're already hearing from Ruiz and Loma.

what did loma say, hes got a uk fight scheduled there

I'll have to go back and check it out again. Not sure if it was he or someone around him stating doubts on having that fight over there.

[Boxing Prospect]

Given Hearn was complaining about drugs being an issue in US boxing, it's amazing how many fighters have failed drugs tests and been on his shows since. Including the likes of
Galahad
Browne
Povetkin
Whyte
Rios

Maybe if fighters didn't see cheats being given future opportunities they would think twice... If the commissions won't ban them, the promoters can still cut them off and make an example of them...

If any promoter is asked about drugs in boxing they will all give the same answer as we all would. It’s a promoters job to make money to be fair. If you’re expecting some white knight as a promoter go and follow another sport. Hennessy has continued to promote Hughie, who failed a test. Warren continued to promote Tyson and Saunders who both failed tests. I won’t bother to go searching through Teikken and the Japanese promoters but I’ve no doubt former drugs cheats have boxed in Japan, and obviously I wouldn’t have to look far to see evidence of it in America. You can then extend it to the suspected drug cheats. PAC man wasn’t signed up to vada at the weekend.

I blame the people who decide on the feeble punishments. If Whyte, Browne etc were given lengthy bans they wouldn’t be on any shows. The people giving the bans could easily force the promoters hands to not be able to even put fights on involving drug cheats.

Promoters are the ones paying them, at the end of the day if the same promoter is bitching about drugs cheats stop using them. Amazon don't want thieves in their warehouse, so they give them criminal back ground checks, boxing promoters don't want drugs cheats so stop rewarding them.

We know by now that the doping agencies won't give punishments of any strength, Larry O was the proof of that when he was a walking, talking cocktail, we know what to expect there. So many the money men need to look at themselves.

I know it's at a lesser level but Kadoebi completely kicked Coach Hiroto out of their gym for failing to make weight against Shohei Omori. Some promoters do have scruples. Osaka Teiken dumped Ryuto Kyoguchi (Hiroto's brother) following a couple of run in's with the law, Tamura.

Teiken promote Ogawa (the only Japanese fighter to have been stripped of a world title due to a drug failure). The US state where he failed the drug test gave him a 6 month punishment, the JBC doubled it. In the UK/US he'd have been back after 12 but Teiken made him wait a bit longer.

[oogiebe]

what did loma say, hes got a uk fight scheduled there

I'll have to go back and check it out again. Not sure if it was he or someone around him stating doubts on having that fight over there.

My bad. I quickly saw the quote no realizing it was taken from another forum. I'm terribly sorry. I usually go and read articles but this time I didn't click on the link in all the excitement.

[jameswilson]

If any promoter is asked about drugs in boxing they will all give the same answer as we all would. It’s a promoters job to make money to be fair. If you’re expecting some white knight as a promoter go and follow another sport. Hennessy has continued to promote Hughie, who failed a test. Warren continued to promote Tyson and Saunders who both failed tests. I won’t bother to go searching through Teikken and the Japanese promoters but I’ve no doubt former drugs cheats have boxed in Japan, and obviously I wouldn’t have to look far to see evidence of it in America. You can then extend it to the suspected drug cheats. PAC man wasn’t signed up to vada at the weekend.

I blame the people who decide on the feeble punishments. If Whyte, Browne etc were given lengthy bans they wouldn’t be on any shows. The people giving the bans could easily force the promoters hands to not be able to even put fights on involving drug cheats.

Promoters are the ones paying them, at the end of the day if the same promoter is bitching about drugs cheats stop using them. Amazon don't want thieves in their warehouse, so they give them criminal back ground checks, boxing promoters don't want drugs cheats so stop rewarding them.

We know by now that the doping agencies won't give punishments of any strength, Larry O was the proof of that when he was a walking, talking cocktail, we know what to expect there. So many the money men need to look at themselves.

I know it's at a lesser level but Kadoebi completely kicked Coach Hiroto out of their gym for failing to make weight against Shohei Omori. Some promoters do have scruples. Osaka Teiken dumped Ryuto Kyoguchi (Hiroto's brother) following a couple of run in's with the law, Tamura.

Teiken promote Ogawa (the only Japanese fighter to have been stripped of a world title due to a drug failure). The US state where he failed the drug test gave him a 6 month punishment, the JBC doubled it. In the UK/US he'd have been back after 12 but Teiken made him wait a bit longer.

Mate those first two examples aren’t even worth mentioning in the same breath as what’s going on here, come on. Hearn kicked O’Hara Davies out for alluding to the Hillsborouh disaster. That’s the same level as kicking a guy out for not making weight or having a run in with the law. You want me to call Esther Rantzen to ask her to get hearts of gold back out for Hearn dropping O’Hara?

Who out of interest promoted the fight when Luis Nery fought in Japan? Can you show me the posts where you lay into the promoters for having Nery over in that fight and paying the ex drug cheat?

Also you suggest future fights for Nery when they bring up him maybe challenging Inoue. Surely the consistent line would be to say ‘No! He is an ex drug cheat who needs to be treated just like Dillian Whyte and the other convicted drug cheats.’


If people are going to preach in here they need to be consistent because tomorrow it might be the guy you’ve fanboyed for years.

AJ never mentions drugs, I don’t think he ever really laid into Jarrell Miller. For me that’s pretty telling, most of us are so sure AJ is on gear we would tell people that we know he is. But then people on here have used 20lb or so lean weight increase over 6 months as evidence. The same people don’t mention Wilder banging on a stone in a few months and still looking ripped to shreds on the fight nights of both fights.

Whyte and Miller have made dicks of themselves (if Whytes B sample comes back dirty, of course) by chucking stones from their glass house. Let’s not all join them by lacking consistency,

[Cholo_cws]

On Talksport radio John Rawling, Johnny Nelson and Gareth A. Davies said that they'll be talking about Whyte after 9pm. Be interesting to hear just how deep they delve into the subject.

[Andrew]

Not going to lie I'm looking forward to Warrens response just as much

[tobyh5]

Not going to lie I'm looking forward to Warrens response just as much

In this instance, I do not think he will be too vocal. Too close to home with the Fury and BJS stuff but also, I suspect Warren has an eye on Whyte, we know he has already tried to grab him in a half assed way

[Boxing Prospect]

Mate those first two examples aren’t even worth mentioning in the same breath as what’s going on here, come on. Hearn kicked O’Hara Davies out for alluding to the Hillsborouh disaster. That’s the same level as kicking a guy out for not making weight or having a run in with the law. You want me to call Esther Rantzen to ask her to get hearts of gold back out for Hearn dropping O’Hara?

Who out of interest promoted the fight when Luis Nery fought in Japan? Can you show me the posts where you lay into the promoters for having Nery over in that fight and paying the ex drug cheat?

Also you suggest future fights for Nery when they bring up him maybe challenging Inoue. Surely the consistent line would be to say ‘No! He is an ex drug cheat who needs to be treated just like Dillian Whyte and the other convicted drug cheats.’


If people are going to preach in here they need to be consistent because tomorrow it might be the guy you’ve fanboyed for years.

AJ never mentions drugs, I don’t think he ever really laid into Jarrell Miller. For me that’s pretty telling, most of us are so sure AJ is on gear we would tell people that we know he is. But then people on here have used 20lb or so lean weight increase over 6 months as evidence. The same people don’t mention Wilder banging on a stone in a few months and still looking ripped to shreds on the fight nights of both fights.

Whyte and Miller have made dicks of themselves (if Whytes B sample comes back dirty, of course) by chucking stones from their glass house. Let’s not all join them by lacking consistency,

Yeah they aren't worth mentioning if it was Hiroto and Kyoguchi comparing to Whyte and Galahad, but a shot to shit Browne, what was the point in giving him a pay day (and lets not forget one of those ONLY failed to make weight, not failed a drugs test). Hearn is giving opportunities to drug cheats (I forgot Luis Ortiz was another!)

Nery was a mandatory challenger for the first fight, failed, got a pass by the WBC, and then got an "indefinite suspension" by the JBC for the combination of weight issue (for the rematch) and the drug issue, with the JBC reprimanding Mr Honda for Nery failing weight (even though he wasn't a Teiken fighter) [The JBC also petitioned for the a ban across all WBC affiliated countries and stuff, with the WBC then forcing Nery to cancel a bout despite not being banned]. I'm consistent in my anger at Nery being licensed, and being given paydays.

I tend not to post much about Nery but here on Boxrec but here's a couple in a thread from the time-
https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... y#p4866757
https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... y#p4866973

I have a feeling Nery and Inoue won't fight because Nery will lose before then anyway and the over hyped cheating Mexican bastard will have the bubble burst.

The ONE fight I'll admit I'm a hypocrite on here is Morales...and I'm calling him a fornicating idiot for the way he finished his career with that drug failure for the Garcia rematch. Thankfully he was pretty much done as a fighter, but still tarnishes him as a man in my eyes (the the dodgy as fornicate stuff around that fight still makes me wonder how much we don't hear).

Joshua, and Wilder, may be suspect but neither has failed a test. It's when (or if) they fail and get used by a promoter who claims another country is rampant with drugs cheats that I'll complain about the promoter (whoever it is).

Miller and Whyte had both previously failed tests, and Hearn wanted to work with both....that to me is telling.

[Andrew]

On Talksport radio John Rawling, Johnny Nelson and Gareth A. Davies said that they'll be talking about Whyte after 9pm. Be interesting to hear just how deep they delve into the subject.

Got it on.

Davies saying Whyte had no duty to tell Rivas.

So what, Hearn and the board certainly do he is fighting on their show FFS.

[knockout]

On Talksport radio John Rawling, Johnny Nelson and Gareth A. Davies said that they'll be talking about Whyte after 9pm. Be interesting to hear just how deep they delve into the subject.

Listening to it now ...

So In conclusion if your objective is to stop drug cheats fighting, pre fight tests aren’t worth doing as there isn’t enough time to then test a B sample and then have a year long legal case in the few days before the fight haha

Farce

[Andrew]

Still processing this and it is absolutely disgusting. Sure a B sample could come back negative but that's not the point,

The point is Hearn and the BBBofC know a fighter tested positive for a banned PED three days before a fight and kept this from Rivas, his team and the WBC.

The fight should not have happened and the worse thing is Hearn and Whyte thought they could get away with it. Bet they planned to have a silent ban as well. Just have 6 months off, not fight and serve your ban.

UKADS process is not fit for purpose and anyone who followed the Fury saga should know this.

However Hearn and the board have A LOT to answer for. For all the shit Hearn has talked regarding drug cheats this is just a whole new level of hypocrisy.

[Nightmare Roy]

Sounds very dodge but I’ll wait until we know what he’s be found to have taken if he’s just been smoking weed I couldn’t care less

Dianabol has been identified as the substance. He's screwed. Also opens up Matchroom and Hearn for a lawsuit as Dianabol is clearly a PED and they never notified Rivas' camp. Shitstorm coming.

Wow, very bad this, if it’s true, Hearn and BBBC should be banned too, imagine if Rivas got serious injuries, hope he gets it made a NC and sues the fcuk our of everyone, terrible, sounds like the sort of shit you’d get in Russia, we are an embarrassment to the sport, good in Ruiz too for telling them to fcuk off too.

[Boxing Prospect]

How the fornicate did Larry Olubamiwo serve less than 2 years?

[oogiebe]

How the eff did Larry Olubamiwo serve less than 2 years?

Was it a first offense?

[samwbr]

Any confirmation of anything anywhere?

[Boxing Prospect]

How the eff did Larry Olubamiwo serve less than 2 years?

Was it a first offense?

Yes...no...kinda

"Olubamiwo tested positive for EPO after the fight and in June 2012 after admitting to using 13 banned substances, was subsequently banned for four years. This ban was lifted in late 2013. "

He used to post on here, and some body building forums, but essentially he was a chemistry experiment.

[knockout]

How the eff did Larry Olubamiwo serve less than 2 years?

According to The Guardian he did the dirtiest trick in the book , grassed someone else to get his own sentence reduced from 4 years.

[jameswilson]

Mate those first two examples aren’t even worth mentioning in the same breath as what’s going on here, come on. Hearn kicked O’Hara Davies out for alluding to the Hillsborouh disaster. That’s the same level as kicking a guy out for not making weight or having a run in with the law. You want me to call Esther Rantzen to ask her to get hearts of gold back out for Hearn dropping O’Hara?

Who out of interest promoted the fight when Luis Nery fought in Japan? Can you show me the posts where you lay into the promoters for having Nery over in that fight and paying the ex drug cheat?

Also you suggest future fights for Nery when they bring up him maybe challenging Inoue. Surely the consistent line would be to say ‘No! He is an ex drug cheat who needs to be treated just like Dillian Whyte and the other convicted drug cheats.’


If people are going to preach in here they need to be consistent because tomorrow it might be the guy you’ve fanboyed for years.

AJ never mentions drugs, I don’t think he ever really laid into Jarrell Miller. For me that’s pretty telling, most of us are so sure AJ is on gear we would tell people that we know he is. But then people on here have used 20lb or so lean weight increase over 6 months as evidence. The same people don’t mention Wilder banging on a stone in a few months and still looking ripped to shreds on the fight nights of both fights.

Whyte and Miller have made dicks of themselves (if Whytes B sample comes back dirty, of course) by chucking stones from their glass house. Let’s not all join them by lacking consistency,

Yeah they aren't worth mentioning if it was Hiroto and Kyoguchi comparing to Whyte and Galahad, but a shot to poo Browne, what was the point in giving him a pay day (and lets not forget one of those ONLY failed to make weight, not failed a drugs test). Hearn is giving opportunities to drug cheats (I forgot Luis Ortiz was another!)

Nery was a mandatory challenger for the first fight, failed, got a pass by the WBC, and then got an "indefinite suspension" by the JBC for the combination of weight issue (for the rematch) and the drug issue, with the JBC reprimanding Mr Honda for Nery failing weight (even though he wasn't a Teiken fighter) [The JBC also petitioned for the a ban across all WBC affiliated countries and stuff, with the WBC then forcing Nery to cancel a bout despite not being banned]. I'm consistent in my anger at Nery being licensed, and being given paydays.

I tend not to post much about Nery but here on Boxrec but here's a couple in a thread from the time-
https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... y#p4866757
https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... y#p4866973

I have a feeling Nery and Inoue won't fight because Nery will lose before then anyway and the over hyped cheating Mexican bastard will have the bubble burst.

The ONE fight I'll admit I'm a hypocrite on here is Morales...and I'm calling him a effing idiot for the way he finished his career with that drug failure for the Garcia rematch. Thankfully he was pretty much done as a fighter, but still tarnishes him as a man in my eyes (the the dodgy as eff stuff around that fight still makes me wonder how much we don't hear).

Joshua, and Wilder, may be suspect but neither has failed a test. It's when (or if) they fail and get used by a promoter who claims another country is rampant with drugs cheats that I'll complain about the promoter (whoever it is).

Miller and Whyte had both previously failed tests, and Hearn wanted to work with both....that to me is telling.

Some excellent points from yourself as always.

Growing up I loved watching athletics and my earlierst memory watching it was seeing Linford Christie win gold in 92 and going mental. Now I look back and having watched documentaries and read articles I know for sure he was on gear. Other people idolised Lance Armstrong and he's since admitted he comprehensively cheated throughout his career. I was never particularly into cycling but had a mate who loved it and would train like an absolute lunatic, but would joke that he'd train some ludicrous number of hours a week to finish 25th. I pressed him on why he jokes about being unsuccesful and he said 'your not getting what I'm actually joing about, I'm joking that the sport being full of drug cheats. I've been at races where drug testers have shown up before the race starts and asked for samples and 95% of the field sit down and say 'we aint racing then, and you won't get your money.' Even Lance Armstrong sat down here.'
I then said 'youre sure Armstrong is on drugs?'
He answered '100% mate.'

Despite that in the years leading up to him getting caught out and doing the Opera interview there were still people who would have your eyes out in arguments saying he was clean.

When it's your favourite athlete who gets caught it is one hell of a shitty situation. It's a shame I am now very guarded about really becoming a big fan of any athlete in any sport. There is genuinely nobody now that I'd be suprised to see caught out on it.

[oogiebe]

Any confirmation of anything anywhere?

Loads of links and articles. A brief statement by BBBoC as well. Reports of the PED being Dianabol is pretty damning.