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now he's suddenly gonna rule the division for years without any serious opposition even on the horizon. some experts on here.

i guess gvodzyk is finished now, to damn fragile, beterbiev beat the world class right out of him.

beterbiev is unbeatable and kovalev is weakminded and the epithome of vulneraility of the nutsack to punches (body).

lazboy wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 00:53

klitoris wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 00:50

Considering that Beterbiev took Gvozdyk's shots so well, he will have zero respect for Bivol's power. The guy has a legit chin. Bivol loses that fight for sure. Probably get's stopped at a similar time as Gvozdyk.

Bivol is more precise and better at distance management. I’ve seen him exercise pin point punching. He won’t ko Bert, I agree, but he can out box him. That’s what the game would be imo. I feel he’s a better ‘the nail’.

He's better at distance control because you have seen him against trash oponents. Gvozdyk would be just as good at distance control against those same opponents, although quite frankly he wouldn't have to since he likes to throw combinations at mid range. Beterbiev can get inside and cut distance against anyone in the division. The only way to keep him honest is to have power that can put doubt in his gameplan. In my estimation Gvozdyk had the best one punch power out of any potential opponent that Beterbiev could have faced. Bivol can land quick and accurate punches for 8 rounds, but the inevitable train will ride him over. The only way I see Bivol winning is a close decision where he turns on the bike for all 12 and runs around. Gvozdyk was moving as well, but you can see Beterbiev always sensing the fatigue in the final 1 minute of each round and then concentrating his work in exactly that last minute each time for best effects. I don't see Bivol being able to have high movement for all 3 minutes for the whole fight.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 00:55

lazboy wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 00:53

Bivol is more precise and better at distance management. I’ve seen him exercise pin point punching. He won’t ko Bert, I agree, but he can out box him. That’s what the game would be imo. I feel he’s a better ‘the nail’.

Bert showed he can also move and box and not just all about the power.

I agree. All I said was that bivol would be his toughest imo. Would be a 50/50. I feel Bert can outboxed.

Bivol is too small to trouble Beterbiev. Artur will walk through him.

Beterbiev performed great. I was underrating Beter prior to this fight and I picked Gvozdyk to break Beter down and KO him. But everything happened vice versa. Beter fought smart. He was composed and economical, while he dictated the pace. Gvozdyk tried to box from the outside. It was actually an even fight. However, Beterbiev was wisely increasing his activity closer to endings of rounds, while he also was increasing pressure gradually in the process of the bout. Gvozdyk looked tired by the midpoint. Beterbiev used that. In the 9th round Beterbiev finally established the dominance. He masterfully provided diverse attacks, to head and to body. Gvodyk was broken down then. In the 10th Beter showed a great killer instinct and finished Gvozdyk.

I only wish Canelo had the proper sack to go after a real champ not a faded one. Artur would take Canelos bravado away

AB's strength was a decisive factor here. You can think whatever you want about Andre Ward, but he is very, very smart man.

DrDuke wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 02:17 Beterbiev performed great. I was underrating Beter prior to this fight and I picked Gvozdyk to break Beter down and KO him. But everything happened vice versa. Beter fought smart. He was composed and economical, while he dictated the pace. Gvozdyk tried to box from the outside. It was actually an even fight. However, Beterbiev was wisely increasing his activity closer to endings of rounds, while he also was increasing pressure gradually in the process of the bout. Gvozdyk looked tired by the midpoint. Beterbiev used that. In the 9th round Beterbiev finally established the dominance. He masterfully provided diverse attacks, to head and to body. Gvodyk was broken down then. In the 10th Beter showed a great killer instinct and finished Gvozdyk.

Masterful performance, i was in awe of beterbiev last night.

Beterbiev was on a different level last night to Gvozdyk.

Where would one place Beterbiev on the P4P-ranking?

Beterbies is no one-dimensional slouch. He showed some head movement, made every shot counts, despite being outboxed by Gvozdyk for much of the match, but in the end he forced it as his usual. Bravo, essential but effective boxing.

2 of the 3 judges had Gvozdyk ahead after 9. smh

Paci wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 07:48 Beterbiev was on a different level last night to Gvozdyk.

Where would one place Beterbiev on the P4P-ranking?

Tough to say, p4p rankings never easy.

But i thought his demolition of the Nail was a better result than anything I've seen from Lomachenko. On a par with Usyk taking apart Gassiev.

Canelo Usyk Beterbiev Spence Crawford is a good top 5 imo, in any order really.

Beterbiev was impressive last night, but it's too early to talk about him in P4P sense. Gvozdyk is his only top scalp, while Gvodzyk himself had the only top level scalp, who was old Stevenson.

Man I was completely wrong about this fight. Beterbiev is way better than I gave him credit for. I thought it would be Gvozdyk dominating on the cards with Beterbiev desperately seeking a late stoppage, but the fight was completely even until Beterbiev took over in the 9th.

Ricky wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 10:05

Paci wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 07:48 Beterbiev was on a different level last night to Gvozdyk.

Where would one place Beterbiev on the P4P-ranking?

Tough to say, p4p rankings never easy.

But i thought his demolition of the Nail was a better result than anything I've seen from Lomachenko. On a par with Usyk taking apart Gassiev.

Canelo Usyk Beterbiev Spence Crawford is a good top 5 imo, in any order really.

Inoue

DrDuke wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 10:18 Beterbiev was impressive last night, but it's too early to talk about him in P4P sense. Gvozdyk is his only top scalp, while Gvodzyk himself had the only top level scalp, who was old Stevenson.

I’d say he’s lurking outside. He holds 2 belts. Gvozdyk is his best win to date, and his best win was Superman, who was nowhere near top 10 P4P..

If Bert can beat Bivol, I rank him between 7-10.

Gvozdyk is a hell of a best win if you ask me.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 10:36

Ricky wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 10:05

Tough to say, p4p rankings never easy.

But i thought his demolition of the Nail was a better result than anything I've seen from Lomachenko. On a par with Usyk taking apart Gassiev.

Canelo Usyk Beterbiev Spence Crawford is a good top 5 imo, in any order really.

Inoue

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 11:31

DrDuke wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 10:18 Beterbiev was impressive last night, but it's too early to talk about him in P4P sense. Gvozdyk is his only top scalp, while Gvodzyk himself had the only top level scalp, who was old Stevenson.

I’d say he’s lurking outside. He holds 2 belts. Gvozdyk is his best win to date, and his best win was Superman, who was nowhere near top 10 P4P..

If Bert can beat Bivol, I rank him between 7-10.

If Bivol needed 12 rounds against Jean Pacal, what do you think he's gonna do against Beterbiev? He'll never see the 12th round. I'm sure of it.

Bivol is a scoring points fighter. Him going rounds is just his style IMO and he's won like at least 10 rounds every fight. A guy like Floyd would win on points sometimes vs C+ level guys and A level guys...but he kept winning. Obviously Bivol ain't Floyd but some guys are just like that where it's the same type of result across different levels of opposition. Bivol also doesn't press for the finish so it allows overmatched guys to take him rounds.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 12:40 Bivol is a scoring points fighter. Him going rounds is just his style IMO and he's won like at least 10 rounds every fight. A guy like Floyd would win on points sometimes vs C+ level guys and A level guys...but he kept winning. Obviously Bivol ain't Floyd but some guys are just like that where it's the same type of result across different levels of opposition. Bivol also doesn't press for the finish so it allows overmatched guys to take him rounds.

Plenty of boxers are who 12 round boxers and just tend to go the distance, always seem to do enough or nearly enough to win on points.

A few other examples.. Tim Bradley, Andre Ward, Josh Warrington, Pernell W.

Friday 18, October 2019
Liacouras Center, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

light heavy
Oleksandr Gvozdyk 17 0 0
vs
Artur Beterbiev 14 0 0
World Boxing Council World Light Heavy Title
International Boxing Federation World Light Heavy Title

light heavy
Michael Seals 23 2 0
vs
Elio Heraldo Trosch 14 8 2

Seals won by 1st round TKO








FULL CARD HIGHLIGHTS and FULL FIGHT VIDEOS:
https://www.the13thround.com/phpBB2/vie ... 1&start=25


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Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 11:31

DrDuke wrote: ↑19 Oct 2019, 10:18 Beterbiev was impressive last night, but it's too early to talk about him in P4P sense. Gvozdyk is his only top scalp, while Gvodzyk himself had the only top level scalp, who was old Stevenson.

I’d say he’s lurking outside. He holds 2 belts. Gvozdyk is his best win to date, and his best win was Superman, who was nowhere near top 10 P4P..

If Bert can beat Bivol, I rank him between 7-10.

Yeah, with winning Bivol he can earn a place in the top 10.

That was the best professional performance I have seen by Beiterbiev so far. I guess being more active latley allowed him to focus into this masterful performance.

AFter the first round was done I thought Gvodyzk was going to KO Beiterbiev.

Beiterbiev impressed me with his ability to change styles during the fight. Around 3rd or 4th round he stopped pursuing Govdyzk for a while and put distance between him and Gvodyzk and would attack from an almost counter punchers perspective for awhile waiting for Gvodyzk to come in, then when Gvodyzk wouldn't oblige, Betrebiev would attack from that posture, almost as if Gvodyzk couldn't fight well going in straight line, or didn't have the type of mobility to come forward when faced with that posture may have been gvodyzk was afraid of the power of Beiterbeiv if he did straight ahead attack.

The Gvoydzyk caution got the better of himself and became a danger, Gvodzk had Beitrbiev stunned several times in the fight and decided to wait instead of pursuing, waiting turned out to be the more dangerous decicion.

All in all a real great fight of skills , intelligence power and punching and wills by both fighters.

I am not a fan of Beiterbev but have huge respect for the performance he displayed last night. The skill and intelligence level.

Now at a minimum he must face Bivol, an aged Kovalev , Jesse Hart, Gilberto Ramirez, and Eleider Alvarez could be interesting too but Bivol and Kovalev the two I really want to see him face.