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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 10:56

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 10:52

Cuba is part of the Americas therefore - they're American fighters.

OMG! How dumb can someone be?

Cuba isn’t part of America, it’s an independent country!

Cuban fighters aren't American, so they're out-of-scope of this thread! FFS!

Cuba is part of the Americas - so they're Americans. It's not hard.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 11:02 This guy is clearly a comedian!

Carlos wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 23:12I don't usually venture onto the CS because it is a fornicating zoo of gormless opinions but I am shocked to the core that there hasn't been a mention of Cuba on this thread...

And when informed that the topic of the thread is actually about American fighters...

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 10:52Cuba is part of the Americas therefore - they're American fighters.

That's one hell of a punchline!

How old are you? Six years old?

This is why a lot of people don't venture here because this place is a cretin magnet.

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 11:14This is why a lot of people don't venture here because this place is a cretin magnet.

So you can dish out the insults, but you’re emotionally traumatised about someone exposing your “fornicating gormless opinion”, resulting in you inadvertently portraying yourself as a “cretin”?

Notice how your own words have backfired?

Cuba is not part America. A Cuban fighter is not American.

It’s a neighbouring independent country.

For instance: England is not part of France. An English fighter is not French.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss a specific country - not a continent.

When someone wants to discuss American fighters, only an imbecile would be “shocked to the core” about people not discussing Cubans (those that don't permanently reside on US shores).

It’s not complicated.

If someone wants to talk about Mexican fighters, would you be “shocked to the core” if people refrained from mentioning individuals from other South American countries?

As much as I hate to side with someone who considers me of the fornicating gormless persuasion, he is technically correct because you don't need to be from the US to be an American, although someone from Canada would probably make a point of including the designation 'North' if he was going to describe himself in such terms. That's because he recognizes that calling yourself 'American' without preceding it with South, North or Central strongly suggests you are a subject of Uncle Sam.

Glad to be of service.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 11:48

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 11:14This is why a lot of people don't venture here because this place is a cretin magnet.

So you can dish out the insults, but you’re emotionally traumatised about someone exposing your “fornicating gormless opinion”, resulting in you inadvertently portraying yourself as a “cretin”?

Notice how your own words have backfired?

Cuba is not part America. A Cuban fighter is not American.

It’s a neighbouring independent country.

For instance: England is not part of France. An English fighter is not French.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss a specific country - not a continent.

When someone wants to discuss American fighters, only an imbecile would be “shocked to the core” about people not discussing Cubans (those that don't permanently reside on US shores).

It’s not complicated.

If someone wants to talk about Mexican fighters, would you be “shocked to the core” if people refrained from mentioning individuals from other South American countries?

The Americas are a continent - Cuba is part of that continent - a Cuban can be called a Cuban and an American.

If we are talking about the English - they can be described as English, British or European.

In Spanish - which is the vast majority of the continent they use the term estadiounidense because they think that 'American' is a more inclusive term than just for citizens of the United States.

Of course - you have every right to call yourself an American - but an Argentinian and a Cuban has that right too.

'Black Americans' can be Americans, Panamanians, Cubans - wherever on the continent they live.

There are atlases out there that you can read you know.

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 14:30 As much as I hate to side with someone who considers me of the fornicating gormless persuasion, he is technically correct because you don't need to be from the US to be an American, although someone from Canada would probably make a point of including the designation 'North' if he was going to describe himself in such terms. That's because he recognizes that calling yourself 'American' without preceding it with South, North or Central strongly suggests you are a subject of Uncle Sam.

Glad to be of service.

I didn't say you were one personally - don't be so sensitive

I don't know how geogrpahy is taught in the United States but I read somewhere they're taught that North and South America are different continents and that in Latin America - they're taught that it is one continent. Maybe it is that difference that comes to light, who knows.

EO will argue about anything. LMFAO!!!

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 20:29

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 14:30 As much as I hate to side with someone who considers me of the fornicating gormless persuasion, he is technically correct because you don't need to be from the US to be an American, although someone from Canada would probably make a point of including the designation 'North' if he was going to describe himself in such terms. That's because he recognizes that calling yourself 'American' without preceding it with South, North or Central strongly suggests you are a subject of Uncle Sam.

Glad to be of service.

I didn't say you were one personally - don't be so sensitive

I don't know how geogrpahy is taught in the United States but I read somewhere they're taught that North and South America are different continents and that in Latin America - they're taught that it is one continent. Maybe it is that difference that comes to light, who knows.

we all say 'America' meaning the USA, I don't even think the other countries in 'the americas' are really in the discussion.

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:06

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 20:29

I didn't say you were one personally - don't be so sensitive

I don't know how geogrpahy is taught in the United States but I read somewhere they're taught that North and South America are different continents and that in Latin America - they're taught that it is one continent. Maybe it is that difference that comes to light, who knows.

we all say 'America' meaning the USA, I don't even think the other countries in 'the americas' are really in the discussion.

Ask your Latino friends about the use of the term 'Americans/Americanos' if you hear a Latin Americans refer to someone from the United States - they will never use the term 'American' or call the country 'America'. They will always use the term 'The United States' and in fact, I don't know anyone from that culture who doesn't.

Of course, someone from the United States is an American too and are entitled to use that term to describe themselves - but a Cuban is an American too. What the unenlightened one is saying it is for exclusive use is just isn't true.

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:15

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:06
we all say 'America' meaning the USA, I don't even think the other countries in 'the americas' are really in the discussion.

Ask your Latino friends about the use of the term 'Americans/Americanos' if you hear a Latin Americans refer to someone from the United States - they will never use the term 'American' or call the country 'America'. They will always use the term 'The United States' and in fact, I don't know anyone from that culture who doesn't.

Of course, someone from the United States is an American too and are entitled to use that term to describe themselves - but a Cuban is an American too. What the unenlightened one is saying it is for exclusive use is just isn't true.

Some Americas are referred to as Pan-Americans. Just saying.

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:17

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:15

Ask your Latino friends about the use of the term 'Americans/Americanos' if you hear a Latin Americans refer to someone from the United States - they will never use the term 'American' or call the country 'America'. They will always use the term 'The United States' and in fact, I don't know anyone from that culture who doesn't.

Of course, someone from the United States is an American too and are entitled to use that term to describe themselves - but a Cuban is an American too. What the unenlightened one is saying it is for exclusive use is just isn't true.

Some Americas are referred to as Pan-Americans. Just saying.

Not as far as I know, I know of the games and the once airline but apart from that - I don't know anyone who uses that term.

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:18

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:17

Some Americas are referred to as Pan-Americans. Just saying.

Not as far as I know, I know of the games and the once airline but apart from that - I don't know anyone who uses that term.

Just adding confusion to a an already confused thread. While technically it's North and South America, folks from the US aren't called United States-ans. We're Amercan. Canadians are from Canada. Cubans are from Cuba. Mexicans from Mexico. Let's all not give a fook about this nonsense anymore than it really matters, which is nill. Don't let EO get the best of you, mate! He can be rather maddening.

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:24
Just adding confusion to a an already confused thread. While technically it's North and South America

That's just not true - I think you're a swell guy and everything over on the OT but this is down to they way you're taught geography and the rest of the planet or most countries are taught geography - Americas is one continent - not two.

folks from the US aren't called United States-ans.

They are in the rest of the Americas apart from Canada and probably the English/French/Dutch speaking Caribbean.

We're Amercan.

Chilean: Where are you from?

Yank: I am an American

Chilean: Really, so am I.

Happens all the time south of the border.

Canadians are from Canada. Cubans are from Cuba. Mexicans from Mexico. Let's all not give a fook about this nonsense anymore than it really matters, which is nill. Don't let EO get the best of you, mate! He can be rather maddening.

Yes, but they're Americans as well, if I am English, British and European - my geographical indentity isn't exclusive to one term and I am not arguing if you want to call yourselves Americans (especially in your own country...) then knock yourselves out - but the term isn't just exclusive to people from the United States - that's all I am saying and for him to say Cubans AREN'T Americans - then

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:15

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:06
we all say 'America' meaning the USA, I don't even think the other countries in 'the americas' are really in the discussion.

Ask your Latino friends about the use of the term 'Americans/Americanos' if you hear a Latin Americans refer to someone from the United States - they will never use the term 'American' or call the country 'America'. They will always use the term 'The United States' and in fact, I don't know anyone from that culture who doesn't.

Of course, someone from the United States is an American too and are entitled to use that term to describe themselves - but a Cuban is an American too. What the unenlightened one is saying it is for exclusive use is just isn't true.

Hmm. I dunno Carlos, I'm pretty sure they use the term American to describe a US citizen. Anyway, stop using my 'latino friends' in such a sarcastic way. I don't ask them any of that stuff if they don't volunteer it. They're UK Latinas anyway. They define themselves by country: Mexico, Chile, Colombia, Brazil.... I've never heard any of them say they were from 'the Americas'

Stop making rules up for people you don't know.

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 22:15

Carlos wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 21:15

Ask your Latino friends about the use of the term 'Americans/Americanos' if you hear a Latin Americans refer to someone from the United States - they will never use the term 'American' or call the country 'America'. They will always use the term 'The United States' and in fact, I don't know anyone from that culture who doesn't.

Of course, someone from the United States is an American too and are entitled to use that term to describe themselves - but a Cuban is an American too. What the unenlightened one is saying it is for exclusive use is just isn't true.

Hmm. I dunno Carlos, I'm pretty sure they use the term American to describe a US citizen. Anyway, stop using my 'latino friends' in such a sarcastic way. I don't ask them any of that stuff if they don't volunteer it. They're UK Latinas anyway. They define themselves by country: Mexico, Chile, Colombia, Brazil.... I've never heard any of them say they were from 'the Americas'

Stop making rules up for people you don't know.

I am not using it in a 'sarcastic way' how can you decipher that I am using it in such a way? I am genuinely asking you to ask them because all the Latinos I know from about four countries would never use the term American to describe a citizen of the United States or use the term America to solely describe the United States of America.

And I am not even going to say your friends do or they don't - but if they use the terms America/Americans for The United States/citizens of the United States then they're very very very rare - in fact I don't know anyone who I know who does that - here is the challenge to the whole boxrec forum who are Latin American or know about that culture, have family there or have knowledge on the this subject - what do Latin Americans in general called people from the United States or citizens of.

Now if people from the United States want to use that term for themselves then knock themselves out and they would be correct - but when they start claiming exclusivity and telling people who and who aren't 'American' then that's where the problems start. Cubans are Americans and I didn't even read the first damn post anyway, I just read the title and posted my thoughts. I am sure there will be more 'great black hopes' after Wilder and they will probably be Cuban.

OMG!

People are claiming that Cubans are actually Americans!

I wouldn’t mind if they were mentioning people that have emigrated, but they aren’t!

Are people that Fûckíng desperate for me to be wrong they’ve resorted to agreeing with utter nonsense!

Are people that are born and raised in Swahili now allowed to claim they’re from Scotland?

FFS! People need to attend adult education classes about geography!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 01:11
People are claiming that Cubans are actually Americans!

They are - they're Cuban and American

People from Spain are Spanish and European (as well as Catalan, Extramaduran, Andaluz etc)

Are people that Fûckíng desperate for me to be wrong they’ve resorted to agreeing with utter nonsense!

Not only are you wrong but it seems you have never picked up a geography book in your life...

Are people that are born and raised in Swahili now allowed to claim they’re from Scotland?

Well, Swahili isn't an ethnic or racial group, Swahili is a language that is spread across different tribal groups in Eastern and Southern Africa - where they speak Swahili (Africa) is a completely different continent to where Scotland is located (Europe)

FFS! People need to attend adult education classes about geography!

Yes, you do.

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020, 14:30 As much as I hate to side with someone who considers me of the fornicating gormless persuasion, he is technically correct because you don't need to be from the US to be an American, although someone from Canada would probably make a point of including the designation 'North' if he was going to describe himself in such terms. That's because he recognizes that calling yourself 'American' without preceding it with South, North or Central strongly suggests you are a subject of Uncle Sam.

Glad to be of service.

The fückér wasn’t referring to people that have emigrated!

Have some pride and integrity man!

This bâstärd actually believes that you’re allowed to call yourself and American if you’re born, raised and permanently reside in Cuba!

We might not always see eye to eye, but you’re better than that!

Don’t agree with utter nonsense simply because you’re desperate for me to be proven wrong!

A Cuban isn’t an American! Cuba isn’t part of the country of America.

I can’t believe I’ve actually had to write that last sentence, but I guess certain boxing fans are utterly clueless about geography.

And let’s not forget that the man you’re defending claimed you personally had a “ fornicating gormless opinion”.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 01:23
The fückér wasn’t referring to people that have emigrated!

Have some pride and integrity man!

This bâstärd actually believes that you’re allowed to call yourself and American if you’re born, raised and permanently reside in Cuba!

Because candyslim knows that Cuba is part of the American continent - therefore they're Americans.

A Cuban isn’t an American! Cuba isn’t part of the country of America.

Cuba is part of the continent of the Americas

I can’t believe I’ve actually had to write that last sentence, but I guess certain boxing fans are utterly clueless about geography.

Yes you are.

And let’s not forget that the man you’re defending claimed you personally had a “ fornicating gormless opinion”.

I never said that. Candyslim is obviously quite smart, I never said that he has 'fornicating gormless opinions' but that is because you lack elementary reading skills as well as geographical knowledge.

Carlos wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 01:21

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 01:11
People are claiming that Cubans are actually Americans!

They are - they're Cuban and American

People from Spain are Spanish and European (as well as Catalan, Extramaduran, Andaluz etc)

Are people that Fûckíng desperate for me to be wrong they’ve resorted to agreeing with utter nonsense!

Not only are you wrong but it seems you have never picked up a geography book in your life...

Are people that are born and raised in Swahili now allowed to claim they’re from Scotland?

Well, Swahili isn't an ethnic or racial group, Swahili is a language that is spread across different tribal groups in Eastern and Southern Africa - where they speak Swahili (Africa) is a completely different continent to where Scotland is located (Europe)

FFS! People need to attend adult education classes about geography!

Yes, you do.

The thread is about fighters from the country of America - read the first post in this thread!

Any human being that was born, raised and permanently resides in Cuba is Cuban, they’re not American.

I can’t believe I keep having to state the obvious and that people desperately want me to be wrong about this irrefutable real-world fact!

Whatever next? Are there now eight days in a week?

By the way - on all official US websites, they NEVER EVER use the term American and ALWAYS use the term U.S citizen


http://www.gocoastguard.com/faq/what-ar ... oast-guard


Following are the basic requirements for becoming a member of the Coast Guard: You must be a U.S. citizen or a Resident Alien.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 01:28

Carlos wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 01:21

They are - they're Cuban and American

People from Spain are Spanish and European (as well as Catalan, Extramaduran, Andaluz etc)



Not only are you wrong but it seems you have never picked up a geography book in your life...



Well, Swahili isn't an ethnic or racial group, Swahili is a language that is spread across different tribal groups in Eastern and Southern Africa - where they speak Swahili (Africa) is a completely different continent to where Scotland is located (Europe)



Yes, you do.

The thread is about fighters from the country of America - read the first post in this thread!

Any human being that was born, raised and permanently resides in Cuba is Cuban, they’re not American.

I can’t believe I keep having to state the obvious and that people desperately want me to be wrong about this irrefutable real-world fact!

Whatever next? Are there now eight days in a week?

Not according to the title

Wilder - was he the last Great Black Hope?

Black people live in other countries than the United States - and no, I didn't read the first post.

A person from Cuba is Cuban and is also American.

A person from the United States is also American.

No-one is stopping you calling yourselves American - rock on with it.

But you don't have exclusivity over it because the Americas is a continent.

If you’re English, you’re from England.

If you’re French, you’re from France.

If you’re Scottish, you’re from Scotland.

If you’re Welsh, you’re from Wales.

If you’re Irish, you’re from Ireland.

If you’re German, you’re from Germany.

If you’re Spanish, you’re from Spain.

If you’re Mexican, you’re from Mexico.

If you’re an Argentine, you’re from Argentina.

If you’re Russian, you’re from Russia.

If you’re Chinese, you’re from China.

If you’re Canadian, you’re from Canada.

If you’re Cuban, you’re from Cuba.

If someone wants to talk about American fighters, they’re referring to people born, raisd or permanently reside in America!

By your own admission you didn’t read the first post in this thread, but somehow you were “shocked to the core” by the fact that others didn’t mention Cuban fighters, despite the topic relating to those from the country of America.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 01:37 If you’re English, you’re from England.

If you’re French, you’re from France.

If you’re Scottish, you’re from Scotland.

If you’re Welsh, you’re from Wales.

If you’re Irish, you’re from Ireland.

If you’re German, you’re from Germany.

If you’re Spanish, you’re from Spain.

Yup, and they're all Europeans.

If you’re Mexican, you’re from Mexico.

If you’re an Argentine, you’re from Argentina.

Yup, and they're Americans just like you -

If you’re Russian, you’re from Russia.

You can be European or Asian because the nation state of Russia straddles two continents - that is why you have the region of 'European Russia' and anything beyond the Urals is part of Asia - true story - go and read a book about it.

If you’re Chinese, you’re from China.

And Asian

If you’re Canadian, you’re from Canada.

If you’re Cuban, you’re from Cuba.

And Americans just like you...

Let me ask you a question... are people from Nigeria, Ghana, Botswana and Ethiopia, Africans or are they not?

Yes they're Africans or no they're not!

Simple answer.

Carlos wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 01:41

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 01:37 If you’re English, you’re from England.

If you’re French, you’re from France.

If you’re Scottish, you’re from Scotland.

If you’re Welsh, you’re from Wales.

If you’re Irish, you’re from Ireland.

If you’re German, you’re from Germany.

If you’re Spanish, you’re from Spain.

Yup, and they're all Europeans.

If you’re Mexican, you’re from Mexico.

If you’re an Argentine, you’re from Argentina.

Yup, and they're Americans just like you -

If you’re Russian, you’re from Russia.

You can be European or Asian because the nation state of Russia straddles two continents - that is why you have the region of 'European Russia' and anything beyond the Urals is part of Asia - true story - go and read a book about it.

If you’re Chinese, you’re from China.

And Asian

If you’re Canadian, you’re from Canada.

If you’re Cuban, you’re from Cuba.

And Americans just like you...

Let me ask you a question... are people from Nigeria, Ghana, Botswana and Ethiopia, Africans or are they not?

Yes they're Africans or no they're not!

Simple answer.

The topic of this thread is about fighters from the country America, but you didn’t bother to check this.

This is something you’ve already admitted to.

Hence the reason why you’re “shocked to the core” about no one mentioning Cubans.

And guess what, a Cuban is from Cuba, they’re not American.

There’s no reason to be “shocked to the core” about people not discussing Cuban fighters if the topic of this thread was to discuss American fighters.