Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 18 Jul 2021, 12:59
by DrDuke
Vasquez had a joke card. There should be a rematch. Finally there's a case, where it's indeed necessary. Castano won that clearly.
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 18 Jul 2021, 14:56
by Thomastearns
Jake Savage wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 12:35
Brian Castano clearly won this fight, 9 rounds to 3. You can go one round either way but its a clear Castano win and an outright robbery.
Another example of a home country fighter receiving an unfair advantage in judging. That decision is 100% based on Charlo being American and the promotional A Side. I'm not saying Americans are worse than other countries but surely Castano had no chance on getting a decision fighting an American in USA.
This is the business of boxing in 2021, and it's been this way for years and years. We've been complaining about it for ages but nothing ever gets done. The people who run boxing see it as an investment and they naturally will go to great lengths to protect it.
We don't have to like it but we certainly shouldn't have to pay for it.
If we do then we're contributing willingly to a fraudulent transfer of monies.
That's why I tend to watch these fights online the next day or two. Not seen this one but it sounds like a minor classic.
Credit to both guys and a big thumbs down to the criminals err I mean organisers.
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
The three judges agreed on eight of the twelve rounds scored, with Vazquez on his own for three of the four remaining rounds. Judge Cheatham was in agreement with at least one other judge on all twelve rounds.
Charlo (34-1-1, 18KOs) swept the final three rounds, along with claiming rounds two and five on all three scorecards. Buenos Aires’ Castano (17-0-2, 12KOs) won rounds three, seven and nine in the eyes of all three judges.
Judges Cheatham and Weisfeld agreed on every round but the sixth, one of several early swing frames in the fight. Charlo won the round on the scorecards of Vazquez and Cheatham, while it served as the first of four consecutive rounds that Weisfeld would award to Castano.
Judge Weisfeld was also the lone of the three ringside officials to award Charlo with a 10-8 round in the tenth, by far the best of the fight for the reigning lineal/WBC/WBA/IBF junior middleweight champion. Castano—the reigning WBO titlist—was badly hurt on at least two occasions during the round, the first time he showed signs of truly feeling the power of Charlo since round two—with both of those sessions scored unanimously for Charlo.
Interestingly, the fight was already out of reach for Charlo by that point, as Weisfeld awarded seven of the first nine rounds to Castano. Charlo never led on Weisfeld’s scorecard and was only even at one point, when the fight was 19-19 after two rounds in the eyes of the New Jersey judge.
Charlo pulled even on the scorecard of judge Cheatham after rounds two (19-19), six (57-57) and at the end with his strong surge producing the final 114-114 tally. He never led at any point on that scorecard.
That appeared to be the reality in the eyes of most, and in line with the final round instructions from head trainer Derrick James who urged Charlo to go for the knockout.
The scorecard turned in by Vazquez was all the more baffling in that regard. The Puerto Rican judge never had Charlo trailing at any point in the fight, scoring the first two rounds for the Texan along with rounds four, five and six to give him a commanding 59-55 lead by the midway point. Vazquez was on his own in scoring rounds one, four and eight in favor of Charlo—none of the three which were embraced by home viewers.
Castano officially needed a clean sweep on Vazquez’s card through eight rounds, and the verdict officially off the table after round ten where he trailed 97-93 at a point where most observers had the fight scored in the opposite direction. The final 117-111 card is the second stinker in less than a month for Vazquez, who was the lone judge to score in favor of Efetobor Apochi in his Fight of the Year-level split decision loss to Brandon Glanton on June 27 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Vazquez had the bout 96-93 in favor of Apochi, while Glanton—who scored a sixth-round knockdown—deservedly won by matching scores of 95-94 on the cards of judges John Mariano and Mike Fitzgerald.
The stalemate leaves the junior middleweight division without its first-ever undisputed champion in the four-belt era. The high level of action and skill provided in Saturday’s bout lends the suggestion of Charlo and Castano running it back sometime in the near future, as long as mandatory challengers don’t get in the way.
Whenever that day comes to do it all again, it’s far to reason that they can do it without the services of Nelson Vazquez.
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
The three judges agreed on eight of the twelve rounds scored, with Vazquez on his own for three of the four remaining rounds. Judge Cheatham was in agreement with at least one other judge on all twelve rounds.
Charlo (34-1-1, 18KOs) swept the final three rounds, along with claiming rounds two and five on all three scorecards. Buenos Aires’ Castano (17-0-2, 12KOs) won rounds three, seven and nine in the eyes of all three judges.
Judges Cheatham and Weisfeld agreed on every round but the sixth, one of several early swing frames in the fight. Charlo won the round on the scorecards of Vazquez and Cheatham, while it served as the first of four consecutive rounds that Weisfeld would award to Castano.
Judge Weisfeld was also the lone of the three ringside officials to award Charlo with a 10-8 round in the tenth, by far the best of the fight for the reigning lineal/WBC/WBA/IBF junior middleweight champion. Castano—the reigning WBO titlist—was badly hurt on at least two occasions during the round, the first time he showed signs of truly feeling the power of Charlo since round two—with both of those sessions scored unanimously for Charlo.
Interestingly, the fight was already out of reach for Charlo by that point, as Weisfeld awarded seven of the first nine rounds to Castano. Charlo never led on Weisfeld’s scorecard and was only even at one point, when the fight was 19-19 after two rounds in the eyes of the New Jersey judge.
Charlo pulled even on the scorecard of judge Cheatham after rounds two (19-19), six (57-57) and at the end with his strong surge producing the final 114-114 tally. He never led at any point on that scorecard.
That appeared to be the reality in the eyes of most, and in line with the final round instructions from head trainer Derrick James who urged Charlo to go for the knockout.
The scorecard turned in by Vazquez was all the more baffling in that regard. The Puerto Rican judge never had Charlo trailing at any point in the fight, scoring the first two rounds for the Texan along with rounds four, five and six to give him a commanding 59-55 lead by the midway point. Vazquez was on his own in scoring rounds one, four and eight in favor of Charlo—none of the three which were embraced by home viewers.
Castano officially needed a clean sweep on Vazquez’s card through eight rounds, and the verdict officially off the table after round ten where he trailed 97-93 at a point where most observers had the fight scored in the opposite direction. The final 117-111 card is the second stinker in less than a month for Vazquez, who was the lone judge to score in favor of Efetobor Apochi in his Fight of the Year-level split decision loss to Brandon Glanton on June 27 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Vazquez had the bout 96-93 in favor of Apochi, while Glanton—who scored a sixth-round knockdown—deservedly won by matching scores of 95-94 on the cards of judges John Mariano and Mike Fitzgerald.
The stalemate leaves the junior middleweight division without its first-ever undisputed champion in the four-belt era. The high level of action and skill provided in Saturday’s bout lends the suggestion of Charlo and Castano running it back sometime in the near future, as long as mandatory challengers don’t get in the way.
Whenever that day comes to do it all again, it’s far to reason that they can do it without the services of Nelson Vazquez.
I'm just curious, but is it your job to post articles from oter sites thiat we can read for ourselves? Asking for a friend.
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 18 Jul 2021, 23:00
by Evander
What I saw of him, I think Jermell Charlo lacked creativity in his overall game.
Sure he can bang it out when needed but he got clipped a number of times during the opening 6 rounds.
He came up short and wide with some of his punches and needed prompting from Castano's attack to get his own engine going.
The fight itself was fairly good even if it did lack that higher tier skill level.
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 18 Jul 2021, 23:02
by margaret thatcher
my problem with charlo in this fight is that he spent very little time comitting to his offense until the last 3 rounds
before that he fought like he had no confidence. he was fighting tentative and looke nervous in there. he was pulling his punches and throwing them from too far out. he rarely let power shots go. and castano was able to keep bullying him as a result
when charlo actually stood his ground, and fought with some fire, like in round 2 and the last 3, he did much better
if im his trainer, i want him pushing himself forward in a rematch, make the change that fury did for wilder
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 18 Jul 2021, 23:05
by margaret thatcher
another thing -- castano would almost always wait until charlo's back was against the ropes to unload his combos
it's another reason why mell in a rematch should not give up so much space
tbh, i think a draw is fortunate for charlo, but i do think he has clear ways to improve in a rematch
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 05:32
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 06:34
by Cent0089
Ive finally watched the fight. Scored it 115-113 for Castano. Still, ok with draw, no way you can score that for Charlo. Was surprised how effective was Castano high guard defense. On the other side, respect to Charlo, he has fought very best of light middleweight division in recent years He has also very underrated punching power, seems like a more powerful puncher than his brother, but Jermall is better boxer IMO
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 13:36
by adislav123
115 - 113 castano is the most one could give charlo honestly.
castano was the aggressor, threw more, landed more.
even for the highlights, they could barely find any scenes with charlo not backed up against the ropes.
charlo fought back courageously in spurts but it doesn't change the fact it just wasn't enuff.
castano won this clearly.
that card in charlo's favour just can't be explained, the resulting decision is in no way justifiable.
corruption. once again.
castano deserves to be champion.
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
The three judges agreed on eight of the twelve rounds scored, with Vazquez on his own for three of the four remaining rounds. Judge Cheatham was in agreement with at least one other judge on all twelve rounds.
Charlo (34-1-1, 18KOs) swept the final three rounds, along with claiming rounds two and five on all three scorecards. Buenos Aires’ Castano (17-0-2, 12KOs) won rounds three, seven and nine in the eyes of all three judges.
Judges Cheatham and Weisfeld agreed on every round but the sixth, one of several early swing frames in the fight. Charlo won the round on the scorecards of Vazquez and Cheatham, while it served as the first of four consecutive rounds that Weisfeld would award to Castano.
Judge Weisfeld was also the lone of the three ringside officials to award Charlo with a 10-8 round in the tenth, by far the best of the fight for the reigning lineal/WBC/WBA/IBF junior middleweight champion. Castano—the reigning WBO titlist—was badly hurt on at least two occasions during the round, the first time he showed signs of truly feeling the power of Charlo since round two—with both of those sessions scored unanimously for Charlo.
Interestingly, the fight was already out of reach for Charlo by that point, as Weisfeld awarded seven of the first nine rounds to Castano. Charlo never led on Weisfeld’s scorecard and was only even at one point, when the fight was 19-19 after two rounds in the eyes of the New Jersey judge.
Charlo pulled even on the scorecard of judge Cheatham after rounds two (19-19), six (57-57) and at the end with his strong surge producing the final 114-114 tally. He never led at any point on that scorecard.
That appeared to be the reality in the eyes of most, and in line with the final round instructions from head trainer Derrick James who urged Charlo to go for the knockout.
The scorecard turned in by Vazquez was all the more baffling in that regard. The Puerto Rican judge never had Charlo trailing at any point in the fight, scoring the first two rounds for the Texan along with rounds four, five and six to give him a commanding 59-55 lead by the midway point. Vazquez was on his own in scoring rounds one, four and eight in favor of Charlo—none of the three which were embraced by home viewers.
Castano officially needed a clean sweep on Vazquez’s card through eight rounds, and the verdict officially off the table after round ten where he trailed 97-93 at a point where most observers had the fight scored in the opposite direction. The final 117-111 card is the second stinker in less than a month for Vazquez, who was the lone judge to score in favor of Efetobor Apochi in his Fight of the Year-level split decision loss to Brandon Glanton on June 27 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Vazquez had the bout 96-93 in favor of Apochi, while Glanton—who scored a sixth-round knockdown—deservedly won by matching scores of 95-94 on the cards of judges John Mariano and Mike Fitzgerald.
The stalemate leaves the junior middleweight division without its first-ever undisputed champion in the four-belt era. The high level of action and skill provided in Saturday’s bout lends the suggestion of Charlo and Castano running it back sometime in the near future, as long as mandatory challengers don’t get in the way.
Whenever that day comes to do it all again, it’s far to reason that they can do it without the services of Nelson Vazquez.
I'm just curious, but is it your job to post articles from oter sites thiat we can read for ourselves? Asking for a friend.
you got that right, that's his job on here. appreciated by everybody who wants to read it.
if u caught the article elsewhere or don't want to read it, don't fvcking read it!
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
The three judges agreed on eight of the twelve rounds scored, with Vazquez on his own for three of the four remaining rounds. Judge Cheatham was in agreement with at least one other judge on all twelve rounds.
Charlo (34-1-1, 18KOs) swept the final three rounds, along with claiming rounds two and five on all three scorecards. Buenos Aires’ Castano (17-0-2, 12KOs) won rounds three, seven and nine in the eyes of all three judges.
Judges Cheatham and Weisfeld agreed on every round but the sixth, one of several early swing frames in the fight. Charlo won the round on the scorecards of Vazquez and Cheatham, while it served as the first of four consecutive rounds that Weisfeld would award to Castano.
Judge Weisfeld was also the lone of the three ringside officials to award Charlo with a 10-8 round in the tenth, by far the best of the fight for the reigning lineal/WBC/WBA/IBF junior middleweight champion. Castano—the reigning WBO titlist—was badly hurt on at least two occasions during the round, the first time he showed signs of truly feeling the power of Charlo since round two—with both of those sessions scored unanimously for Charlo.
Interestingly, the fight was already out of reach for Charlo by that point, as Weisfeld awarded seven of the first nine rounds to Castano. Charlo never led on Weisfeld’s scorecard and was only even at one point, when the fight was 19-19 after two rounds in the eyes of the New Jersey judge.
Charlo pulled even on the scorecard of judge Cheatham after rounds two (19-19), six (57-57) and at the end with his strong surge producing the final 114-114 tally. He never led at any point on that scorecard.
That appeared to be the reality in the eyes of most, and in line with the final round instructions from head trainer Derrick James who urged Charlo to go for the knockout.
The scorecard turned in by Vazquez was all the more baffling in that regard. The Puerto Rican judge never had Charlo trailing at any point in the fight, scoring the first two rounds for the Texan along with rounds four, five and six to give him a commanding 59-55 lead by the midway point. Vazquez was on his own in scoring rounds one, four and eight in favor of Charlo—none of the three which were embraced by home viewers.
Castano officially needed a clean sweep on Vazquez’s card through eight rounds, and the verdict officially off the table after round ten where he trailed 97-93 at a point where most observers had the fight scored in the opposite direction. The final 117-111 card is the second stinker in less than a month for Vazquez, who was the lone judge to score in favor of Efetobor Apochi in his Fight of the Year-level split decision loss to Brandon Glanton on June 27 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Vazquez had the bout 96-93 in favor of Apochi, while Glanton—who scored a sixth-round knockdown—deservedly won by matching scores of 95-94 on the cards of judges John Mariano and Mike Fitzgerald.
The stalemate leaves the junior middleweight division without its first-ever undisputed champion in the four-belt era. The high level of action and skill provided in Saturday’s bout lends the suggestion of Charlo and Castano running it back sometime in the near future, as long as mandatory challengers don’t get in the way.
Whenever that day comes to do it all again, it’s far to reason that they can do it without the services of Nelson Vazquez.
I'm just curious, but is it your job to post articles from oter sites thiat we can read for ourselves? Asking for a friend.
you got that right, that's his job on here. appreciated by everybody who wants to read it.
if u caught the article elsewhere or don't want to read it, don't fvcking read it!
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 22:32
by Perseus
Just got around to watching it.
That was a great fight imo and I think a second fight will be just as good if it happens.
I hope the rematch gets made but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it...
The draw was correct imo. I had it 114-114, same conclusion as the official judges.
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
The three judges agreed on eight of the twelve rounds scored, with Vazquez on his own for three of the four remaining rounds. Judge Cheatham was in agreement with at least one other judge on all twelve rounds.
Charlo (34-1-1, 18KOs) swept the final three rounds, along with claiming rounds two and five on all three scorecards. Buenos Aires’ Castano (17-0-2, 12KOs) won rounds three, seven and nine in the eyes of all three judges.
Judges Cheatham and Weisfeld agreed on every round but the sixth, one of several early swing frames in the fight. Charlo won the round on the scorecards of Vazquez and Cheatham, while it served as the first of four consecutive rounds that Weisfeld would award to Castano.
Judge Weisfeld was also the lone of the three ringside officials to award Charlo with a 10-8 round in the tenth, by far the best of the fight for the reigning lineal/WBC/WBA/IBF junior middleweight champion. Castano—the reigning WBO titlist—was badly hurt on at least two occasions during the round, the first time he showed signs of truly feeling the power of Charlo since round two—with both of those sessions scored unanimously for Charlo.
Interestingly, the fight was already out of reach for Charlo by that point, as Weisfeld awarded seven of the first nine rounds to Castano. Charlo never led on Weisfeld’s scorecard and was only even at one point, when the fight was 19-19 after two rounds in the eyes of the New Jersey judge.
Charlo pulled even on the scorecard of judge Cheatham after rounds two (19-19), six (57-57) and at the end with his strong surge producing the final 114-114 tally. He never led at any point on that scorecard.
That appeared to be the reality in the eyes of most, and in line with the final round instructions from head trainer Derrick James who urged Charlo to go for the knockout.
The scorecard turned in by Vazquez was all the more baffling in that regard. The Puerto Rican judge never had Charlo trailing at any point in the fight, scoring the first two rounds for the Texan along with rounds four, five and six to give him a commanding 59-55 lead by the midway point. Vazquez was on his own in scoring rounds one, four and eight in favor of Charlo—none of the three which were embraced by home viewers.
Castano officially needed a clean sweep on Vazquez’s card through eight rounds, and the verdict officially off the table after round ten where he trailed 97-93 at a point where most observers had the fight scored in the opposite direction. The final 117-111 card is the second stinker in less than a month for Vazquez, who was the lone judge to score in favor of Efetobor Apochi in his Fight of the Year-level split decision loss to Brandon Glanton on June 27 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Vazquez had the bout 96-93 in favor of Apochi, while Glanton—who scored a sixth-round knockdown—deservedly won by matching scores of 95-94 on the cards of judges John Mariano and Mike Fitzgerald.
The stalemate leaves the junior middleweight division without its first-ever undisputed champion in the four-belt era. The high level of action and skill provided in Saturday’s bout lends the suggestion of Charlo and Castano running it back sometime in the near future, as long as mandatory challengers don’t get in the way.
Whenever that day comes to do it all again, it’s far to reason that they can do it without the services of Nelson Vazquez.
I'm just curious, but is it your job to post articles from oter sites thiat we can read for ourselves? Asking for a friend.
you got that right, that's his job on here. appreciated by everybody who wants to read it.
if u caught the article elsewhere or don't want to read it, don't fvcking read it!
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 21 Jul 2021, 18:01
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 22 Jul 2021, 02:19
by DrDuke
Hopefully the rematch happens next. Such a great fight, especially a draw, must have an instant sequel.
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 22 Jul 2021, 16:29
by Ruthless-RKO
Justifying his crap card
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
Posted: 22 Jul 2021, 16:43
by candyslim
So everybody who disagreed with his crappy scoring just wasn't paying attention.
I can smell the farmyard.
Re: Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano - July 17, 2021
