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stevec@france wrote: ↑23 Apr 2023, 11:58

joshj909 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2023, 11:52

stevec@france wrote: ↑23 Apr 2023, 11:47 what about the injury suffered vs lerena ?? is DDD even able to go into camp and spar or is this all just BS

Apparently he's been cleared to fight but it seems to me that others in the industry have alluded to being ready to pounce if he's somehow not ready. They kept mentioning it last night with Bakole.

could all be a step aside ploy to get some decent dosh whilst actually being in recovery from the snapped ligament thing .

Usyk calling bluffs left right and centre. I think everyone would rather Wilder get called as WBA mandatory or get Bakole and Dubois to fight for the position first.

There are discussions to take this to Poland for the summer

joshj909 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:33 There are discussions to take this to Poland for the summer

Cus it’s Usyk’s adopted home country?

Usyk has enough exposure in the UK. Can’t see why they wouldn’t have it here.

Personaly , i'd have a good look sideways , and come away thinking i'm not sure Fwank wants the fight at all. Usyk is getting on Fury dodged him , DD can afford to wait around a litlle while , not has if theres any superstars coming up. Fwank is obviously favoring DD ahead of Joyce especielly now , But it was all a good smokescreen to take the pressure of Fury .

Got a feeling Fwank will come in with alow ball offer , Usky won't take it and Fwank will cry see its another one that Usyk dodged

coneye wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:41 Got a feeling Fwank will come in with alow ball offer , Usky won't take it and Fwank will cry see its another one that Usyk dodged

Why go for the WBA belt if you’re not ready.

If Frank offered a lowball, then eventually WBA will order it. Purse will be in Usyk’s favour.

You not telling me DAZN or Sky won’t bid for it?

Frank May still bid. Either that, Dubois will have to be stripped.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:38

joshj909 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:33 There are discussions to take this to Poland for the summer

Cus it’s Usyk’s adopted home country?

Usyk has enough exposure in the UK. Can’t see why they wouldn’t have it here.

It could be because well over a million Ukrainians have fled to Poland over the past year so they can promote it as some sort of "homecoming". Although it would probably do bigger numbers here, it wouldn't be significantly different as Dubois isn't the huge name of Joshua/Fury.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:52

coneye wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:41 Got a feeling Fwank will come in with alow ball offer , Usky won't take it and Fwank will cry see its another one that Usyk dodged

Why go for the WBA belt if you’re not ready.

If Frank offered a lowball, then eventually WBA will order it. Purse will be in Usyk’s favour.

You not telling me DAZN or Sky won’t bid for it?

Frank May still bid. Either that, Dubois will have to be stripped.

Wba can order what they want if no one wants to pay what they deem its worth its not going to happen ,, sky and dazn would they pay top dollar i don;t know , but if they don't you can't make fighters fight for peanuts ,,, Fwank may want it but low balling on the offer is a way out .

coneye wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:56

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:52

coneye wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:41 Got a feeling Fwank will come in with alow ball offer , Usky won't take it and Fwank will cry see its another one that Usyk dodged

Why go for the WBA belt if you’re not ready.

If Frank offered a lowball, then eventually WBA will order it. Purse will be in Usyk’s favour.

You not telling me DAZN or Sky won’t bid for it?

Frank May still bid. Either that, Dubois will have to be stripped.

Wba can order what they want if no one wants to pay what they deem its worth its not going to happen ,, sky and dazn would they pay top dollar i don't know , but if they don't you can't make fighters fight for peanuts ,,, Fwank may want it but low balling on the offer is a way out .

Dub is the "mandatory" for Usyk. They got him in that position, so he'd lose the ranking and belt, and then they can order Hrgovic.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 08:06

coneye wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:56

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:52

Why go for the WBA belt if you’re not ready.

If Frank offered a lowball, then eventually WBA will order it. Purse will be in Usyk’s favour.

You not telling me DAZN or Sky won’t bid for it?

Frank May still bid. Either that, Dubois will have to be stripped.

Wba can order what they want if no one wants to pay what they deem its worth its not going to happen ,, sky and dazn would they pay top dollar i don't know , but if they don't you can't make fighters fight for peanuts ,,, Fwank may want it but low balling on the offer is a way out .

Dub is the "mandatory" for Usyk. They got him in that position, so he'd lose the ranking and belt, and then they can order Hrgovic.

Yep but i just think they would rather Hrgovic , or similar in a year or two than Usyk now , get someone else to fight Usyk hope they win , and get Fury a crack at them DD can wait he's young ..

I ccould be wrong , but has you probably gathered by now , when it comes to profesional boxing especielly where Warren is concerned , i see conspiracys and little yellow men hiding under the bed everywhere

coneye wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 08:11

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 08:06

coneye wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 07:56

Wba can order what they want if no one wants to pay what they deem its worth its not going to happen ,, sky and dazn would they pay top dollar i don't know , but if they don't you can't make fighters fight for peanuts ,,, Fwank may want it but low balling on the offer is a way out .

Dub is the "mandatory" for Usyk. They got him in that position, so he'd lose the ranking and belt, and then they can order Hrgovic.

Yep but i just think they would rather Hrgovic , or similar in a year or two than Usyk now , get someone else to fight Usyk hope they win , and get Fury a crack at them DD can wait he's young ..

I ccould be wrong , but has you probably gathered by now , when it comes to profesional boxing especielly where Warren is concerned , i see conspiracys and little yellow men hiding under the bed everywhere

I can't see Debois ever being world class. They may aswell cash in their chips with him now when he's in the mandatory position. It's a marketable fight too, KO artist Debois looking to take the belts back to Britain from the AJ and Chisora conquror. Usyk-Chisora was at Wembley and Usyk-Bellow was at the O2, so you'd imagine this is as marketable now Usyk's reputation has grown further.

Also while Usyk is rightfully a huge favourite, you never know when an upset can happen in boxing for any number of reasons.

Eddie could always bid for it.

If he wins and it’s high enough, Usyk might take it. No escape route for FW and Dubois other than lose mandatory position.

Bellew was in Manchester.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 09:00 Eddie could always bid for it.

If he wins and it’s high enough, Usyk might take it. No escape route for FW and Dubois other than lose mandatory position.

I’m pretty sure they’re not looking for an escape route, just 25% of the bid will do.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 09:01

Frostieballs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 09:00 Eddie could always bid for it.

If he wins and it’s high enough, Usyk might take it. No escape route for FW and Dubois other than lose mandatory position.

I’m pretty sure they’re not looking for an escape route, just 25% of the bid will do.

So a cash out for Dubois?

Frostieballs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 09:03

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 09:01

Frostieballs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 09:00 Eddie could always bid for it.

If he wins and it’s high enough, Usyk might take it. No escape route for FW and Dubois other than lose mandatory position.

I’m pretty sure they’re not looking for an escape route, just 25% of the bid will do.

So a cash out for Dubois?

I could be wrong , usually am cashout could be the thinking , just got a niggling feeling dd bing probably the best of a bad bunch (coming up ) and only relativly young compared to all the others , that Fwank wants him saved for later , after all its not like Fwank has'nt got experience in dragging carreers out , and there not finished with Fury yet .

Anyway , i'll call it now , DD dodges Usyk , Fury sits on the sidelines wanting to fight the first person t beat Usyk , if anyone can that is , or the belts start getting fragmented , if Usyk gets sick of it and retires .

Frostieballs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 09:03

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 09:01

Frostieballs wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 09:00 Eddie could always bid for it.

If he wins and it’s high enough, Usyk might take it. No escape route for FW and Dubois other than lose mandatory position.

I’m pretty sure they’re not looking for an escape route, just 25% of the bid will do.

So a cash out for Dubois?

For now, he's still young so can come again and there's no shame in losing to Usyk.

Also don't forget Fwank will have paid allot of money to get Dubois in that mandatory position. He isn't there on merit. He hasn't made that investment for the fight not to get made. The lad nearly got KO'd by some unknown, no way you don't cash out and risk losing everything.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 11:18 Also don't forget Fwank will have paid allot of money to get Dubois in that mandatory position. He isn't there on merit. He hasn't made that investment for the fight not to get made. The lad nearly got KO'd by some unknown, no way you don't cash out and risk losing everything.

He got it by boxing on a Don King show. He will have invested before that, though.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 11:18 Also don't forget Fwank will have paid allot of money to get Dubois in that mandatory position. He isn't there on merit. He hasn't made that investment for the fight not to get made. The lad nearly got KO'd by some unknown, no way you don't cash out and risk losing everything.

Fwank knows Dubois is a loss waiting to happen. It is the right time to cash him out.

Dubois is a good guy. If he loses to Usyk it will not dent his standing at all. He has little to lose here and a nice pay day to boot.

Dubois can still rematch Joyce or take on other contenders in the future.

Ezzard wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 11:44 Dubois is a good guy. If he loses to Usyk it will not dent his standing at all. He has little to lose here and a nice pay day to boot.

Dubois can still rematch Joyce or take on other contenders in the future.

The build up will be interesting. Dubois being very polite (with Frank trying to tell him to be a bit nasty) and Usyk not speaking English while having no idea who Dubois is.

Frank’s in a tough spot on this and I can see it going to purse bids or Krassyuk taking the lead on it.

Usyk reportedly got $40m for his last fight and I think has 75% of the purse if it goes to bids against Dubois.

I can’t see him accepting something like £4/5m from Frank to do it at the O2. Probably more money available from a site fee or if Usyk can get comparable or even slightly lower money fighting in Poland then it wouldn’t surprise me if he does it.

If it goes to purse bids then I could see several interested parties.

I predict that it just isnt going to happen anyway .

everyone knows dd isnt ready for an elite level fight and so they will find ways to wriggle out and blame someone else .

its a joke that he is mandatory .

stevec@france wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 14:04 I predict that it just isnt going to happen anyway .

everyone knows dd isnt ready for an elite level fight and so they will find ways to wriggle out and blame someone else .

its a joke that he is mandatory .

I agree it’s a joke he’s mandatory based on who he’s beat.

I can’t see them swerving it. He’s a rightful underdog but stranger things have happened. Plus he’d be able to rebuild if he did lose to Usyk and it’s an opportunity for a big pay day for Dubois.

Might look into going if it’s in Poland.

Dubois will be fine as long as he doesn’t get knocked out - no shame losing to Usyk on points.