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Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 May 2023, 04:59
by Ruthless-RKO
Just a reminder of the current rankings.

Parker is fighting midweek.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 May 2023, 21:12
by oogiebe
Only one of those upcoming fights should be voted on here.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 22 May 2023, 21:12
by oogiebe
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 22 May 2023, 04:59 Just a reminder of the current rankings.

Parker is fighting midweek.
Parker can only drop.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 23 May 2023, 03:14
by joshj909
oogiebe wrote: 22 May 2023, 21:12
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 22 May 2023, 04:59 Just a reminder of the current rankings.

Parker is fighting midweek.
Parker can only drop.
Will we even be voting on him? We didn't vote on Bakole

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 23 May 2023, 03:25
by Ruthless-RKO
joshj909 wrote: 23 May 2023, 03:14
oogiebe wrote: 22 May 2023, 21:12
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 22 May 2023, 04:59 Just a reminder of the current rankings.

Parker is fighting midweek.
Parker can only drop.
Will we even be voting on him? We didn't vote on Bakole
It's times like this, i think we shouldn't vote him down.

At least he'd fighting. Some hardly fight and keep their rankings, and the ones that do have the odd crap fight and win, we end up dropping them.

I wouldn't see him above Joyce. Yes, JJ lost his last bout, but it was only 2 bouts ago that he was stopped by him.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 23 May 2023, 04:02
by gregregegg
I think it’s safe to say if Parker wins he remains where he is. Opelu isn’t terrible, he is absolutely no Martz like frank Sanchez fought… but he should be well and truely over matched here.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 23 May 2023, 05:22
by joshj909
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 23 May 2023, 03:25
joshj909 wrote: 23 May 2023, 03:14
oogiebe wrote: 22 May 2023, 21:12

Parker can only drop.
Will we even be voting on him? We didn't vote on Bakole
It's times like this, i think we shouldn't vote him down.

At least he'd fighting. Some hardly fight and keep their rankings, and the ones that do have the odd crap fight and win, we end up dropping them.

I wouldn't see him above Joyce. Yes, JJ lost his last bout, but it was only 2 bouts ago that he was stopped by him.
I think my take is to re-adjust for how perceptions of other records have changed over time. I'd still rank it as below. Might be worth doing a big one when Pulev gets voted out and vote on the movements of Bakole, Parker and whoever else has fought in the mean time.

8. Joyce
9. Sanchez
10. Parker
11. Wilder
12. Ajagba
13. Makhmudov
14. Chisora
15. Bakole

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 23 May 2023, 20:19
by oogiebe
joshj909 wrote: 23 May 2023, 05:22
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 23 May 2023, 03:25
joshj909 wrote: 23 May 2023, 03:14

Will we even be voting on him? We didn't vote on Bakole
It's times like this, i think we shouldn't vote him down.

At least he'd fighting. Some hardly fight and keep their rankings, and the ones that do have the odd crap fight and win, we end up dropping them.

I wouldn't see him above Joyce. Yes, JJ lost his last bout, but it was only 2 bouts ago that he was stopped by him.
I think my take is to re-adjust for how perceptions of other records have changed over time. I'd still rank it as below. Might be worth doing a big one when Pulev gets voted out and vote on the movements of Bakole, Parker and whoever else has fought in the mean time.

8. Joyce
9. Sanchez
10. Parker
11. Wilder
12. Ajagba
13. Makhmudov
14. Chisora
15. Bakole
Ummmm...no

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 25 May 2023, 05:31
by Ruthless-RKO
Not voting on Parker..

Here's an update, with the records ammended.

Current ranking:
Image 🇬🇧 Tyson Fury - 33(24) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. 🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. 🇬🇧 Anthony Joshua - 25(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. 🇺🇸 Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. 🇨🇳 Zhilei Zhang - 25(20) 1(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

6. 🇲🇽 Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. 🇬🇧 Joe Joyce - 15(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. 🇳🇿 Joseph Parker - 32(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. 🇬🇧 Dillian Whyte - 29(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. 🇨🇩 Martin Bakole - 19(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. 🇨🇺 Frank Sanchez - 22(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. 🇨🇺 Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. 🇧🇬 Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. 🇭🇷 Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. 🇬🇧 Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 13(4) 0 - next fight: TBA
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Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

09.06.2023 - 🇰🇿 Ivan Dychko - 12(11) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #51) vs. 🇦🇷 Ariel Esteban Bracamonte - 11(6) 10(6) 0 - (BoxRec's #205)

24.06.2023 - 🇵🇱 Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 3(2) 0 - (BoxRec's #39) vs. 🇺🇸 Joe Cusumano - 21(19) 4(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #106)

01.07.2023 - 🇷🇺 Arslanbek Makhmudov - 16(15) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #18) vs. vs. 🇳🇬 Raphael Akpejiori - 15(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #79)

01.07.2023 - 🇺🇸 Jared Anderson - 14(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #31) vs. 🇰🇿 Zhan Kossobutskiy - 19(18) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #29)

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 25 May 2023, 06:45
by gregregegg
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 25 May 2023, 05:31 Not voting on Parker..

Here's an update, with the records ammended.

Current ranking:
Image 🇬🇧 Tyson Fury - 33(24) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. 🇺🇦 Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. 🇬🇧 Anthony Joshua - 25(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. 🇺🇸 Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. 🇨🇳 Zhilei Zhang - 25(20) 1(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

6. 🇲🇽 Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. 🇬🇧 Joe Joyce - 15(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. 🇳🇿 Joseph Parker - 32(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. 🇬🇧 Dillian Whyte - 29(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. 🇨🇩 Martin Bakole - 19(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. 🇨🇺 Frank Sanchez - 22(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. 🇨🇺 Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. 🇧🇬 Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. 🇭🇷 Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. 🇬🇧 Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 13(4) 0 - next fight: TBA
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Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

09.06.2023 - 🇰🇿 Ivan Dychko - 12(11) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #51) vs. 🇦🇷 Ariel Esteban Bracamonte - 11(6) 10(6) 0 - (BoxRec's #205)

24.06.2023 - 🇵🇱 Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 3(2) 0 - (BoxRec's #39) vs. 🇺🇸 Joe Cusumano - 21(19) 4(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #106)

01.07.2023 - 🇷🇺 Arslanbek Makhmudov - 16(15) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #18) vs. vs. 🇳🇬 Raphael Akpejiori - 15(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #79)

01.07.2023 - 🇺🇸 Jared Anderson - 14(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #31) vs. 🇰🇿 Zhan Kossobutskiy - 19(18) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #29)
Not a single top 15 heavyweight booked to fight... wow, what a time to be a boxing fan.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 25 May 2023, 06:57
by KiwiRider
Just saw the Parker fight.
:doh:
Mark him down...

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 25 May 2023, 12:38
by joshj909
Huni Vs Tabiti at HW announced for 17th June Prograis card.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 25 May 2023, 13:34
by Ruthless-RKO
joshj909 wrote: 25 May 2023, 12:38 Huni Vs Tabiti at HW announced for 17th June Prograis card.
Wohoo!!

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 25 May 2023, 15:58
by adislav123
winner may be candidate for spot 15? could he? close enough for a vote?

definitely worth a discussion about the possibilty of a discussion about that vote.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 25 May 2023, 17:19
by gregregegg
KiwiRider wrote: 25 May 2023, 06:57 Just saw the Parker fight.
:doh:
Mark him down...
Can’t vote him down for demolishing opelu I. 90 seconds. Opelu isn’t great but he is better than a lot of tick over guys used…

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 25 May 2023, 20:39
by KiwiRider
gregregegg wrote: 25 May 2023, 17:19
KiwiRider wrote: 25 May 2023, 06:57 Just saw the Parker fight.
:doh:
Mark him down...
Can’t vote him down for demolishing opelu I. 90 seconds. Opelu isn’t great but he is better than a lot of tick over guys used…
It was based on the boxrec algorithm that marks a boxer down for taking soft wins. That was a ridiculous fight, and absurdly it was PPV.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 26 May 2023, 03:25
by Ruthless-RKO
Robert Helenius To Return on August 5 in Savonlinna, Finland

On August 5th, the 39-year old Nordic Nightmare, heavyweight contender Robert Helenius (31-4), returns to action for the first time since the short fight against Deontay Wilder in October of 2022 and takes on 41-year old Mika Mielonen (6-0) in the headliner of the annual show in Savonlinna, Finland.

It will be the first time as a pro that Helenius fights a compatriot.

None of Mielonen's previous fights has gone the distance - and this one isn't likely to go far either.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 26 May 2023, 03:29
by Ruthless-RKO
Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

09.06.2023 - 🇰🇿 Ivan Dychko - 12(11) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #51) vs. 🇦🇷 Ariel Esteban Bracamonte - 11(6) 10(6) 0 - (BoxRec's #205)

16.06.2023 - 🇦🇺 Justis Huni - 7(4) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #48) vs. 🇺🇸 Andrew Tabiti - 20(16) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #32)

24.06.2023 - 🇵🇱 Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 3(2) 0 - (BoxRec's #39) vs. 🇺🇸 Joe Cusumano - 21(19) 4(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #106)

01.07.2023 - 🇷🇺 Arslanbek Makhmudov - 16(15) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #18) vs. vs. 🇳🇬 Raphael Akpejiori - 15(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #79)

01.07.2023 - 🇺🇸 Jared Anderson - 14(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #31) vs. 🇰🇿 Zhan Kossobutskiy - 19(18) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #29)

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 26 May 2023, 16:21
by SportsRatings
I think Huni's way underrated at #48, and Tabiti overrated at #32 as a heavyweight. I guess winning would help Huni in Boxrec's rankings but beating a guy one fight away from cruiserweight (who isn't Usyk obviously) won't really wake people up to him.

Obviously if he loses I'll have to re-evaluate both him and Tabiti :clap:

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 26 May 2023, 20:13
by gregregegg
SportsRatings wrote: 26 May 2023, 16:21 I think Huni's way underrated at #48, and Tabiti overrated at #32 as a heavyweight. I guess winning would help Huni in Boxrec's rankings but beating a guy one fight away from cruiserweight (who isn't Usyk obviously) won't really wake people up to him.

Obviously if he loses I'll have to re-evaluate both him and Tabiti :clap:
Tab is ranked 32 boxrec at cruiser. which is a very thin division. plus the little downgrade you get moving up.... probably converts to 50th-ish as a boxrec ranking at heavyweight.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 26 May 2023, 21:31
by SportsRatings
gregregegg wrote: 26 May 2023, 20:13
SportsRatings wrote: 26 May 2023, 16:21 I think Huni's way underrated at #48, and Tabiti overrated at #32 as a heavyweight. I guess winning would help Huni in Boxrec's rankings but beating a guy one fight away from cruiserweight (who isn't Usyk obviously) won't really wake people up to him.

Obviously if he loses I'll have to re-evaluate both him and Tabiti :clap:
Tab is ranked 32 boxrec at cruiser. which is a very thin division. plus the little downgrade you get moving up.... probably converts to 50th-ish as a boxrec ranking at heavyweight.
Ah you're right. I saw his last fight was at HW and assumed he was already moved there. Especially since that was 9 months ago and he has a scheduled HW fight.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 28 May 2023, 06:54
by pound per pound
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 26 May 2023, 03:29 Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

09.06.2023 - 🇰🇿 Ivan Dychko - 12(11) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #51) vs. 🇦🇷 Ariel Esteban Bracamonte - 11(6) 10(6) 0 - (BoxRec's #205)

16.06.2023 - 🇦🇺 Justis Huni - 7(4) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #48) vs. 🇺🇸 Andrew Tabiti - 20(16) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #32)

24.06.2023 - 🇵🇱 Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 3(2) 0 - (BoxRec's #39) vs. 🇺🇸 Joe Cusumano - 21(19) 4(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #106)

01.07.2023 - 🇷🇺 Arslanbek Makhmudov - 16(15) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #18) vs. vs. 🇳🇬 Raphael Akpejiori - 15(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #79)

01.07.2023 - 🇺🇸 Jared Anderson - 14(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #31) vs. 🇰🇿 Zhan Kossobutskiy - 19(18) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #29)
Dycho is still fight bums.

Huni is being moved nicely. Respect for him.

Kownacki isn't an unknown prospect anymore, his upside is limited. I have no interest.

Makmuodov is a thunderous puncher and he's fighting an undefeated guy. IMO he is a top 15 guy.,

Anderson vs. Kossubutskiy is a match where two top 40 box rec young and undefeated prospect meet. A rarity in boxing. The winner advances into the top 20 at Box Rec.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 28 May 2023, 07:43
by joshj909
pound per pound wrote: 28 May 2023, 06:54
Dycho is still fight bums.

Huni is being moved nicely. Respect for him.

Kownacki isn't an unknown prospect anymore, his upside is limited. I have no interest.

Makmuodov is a thunderous puncher and he's fighting an undefeated guy. IMO he is a top 15 guy.,

Anderson vs. Kossubutskiy is a match where two top 40 box rec young and undefeated prospect meet. A rarity in boxing. The winner advances into the top 20 at Box Rec.
Kossobutskiy is the same age as Tyson Fury.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 05 Jun 2023, 14:20
by CMCanavessi
Huni fight is off due to ankle injury. Damn. :brick:

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

Posted: 05 Jun 2023, 16:32
by Ruthless-RKO
CMCanavessi wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 14:20 Huni fight is off due to ankle injury. Damn. :brick:
Just read .. crap.