BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

[Ruthless-RKO]

Current ranking:
Tyson Fury - 33(24) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Anthony Joshua - 25(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Joseph Parker - 31(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Dillian Whyte - 29(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Frank Sanchez - 22(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 13(4) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Jared Anderson - 14(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA
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Question: How are the rankings affected following Joyce’s stoppage loss to Zhang?

New rankings after votes.

[Ruthless-RKO]

If you’re voting Joyce below 10 then you better have a reason imo.. but type ur vote down and I’ll include it.

[cpx2]

I think Ruiz should go up to 5, Zhang in at 6, and everyone else down one (Joyce 7). I'd be surprised to see Joyce below either Whyte or Parker to be honest.

[joshj909]

Chat shit get Zhanged. 20/1 and £200 richer. Zhang to 4th, Joyce to 8th.

Reasoning is that Wilder has never beaten anyone as good as Joyce so Zhang goes up above him. Joyce has beaten Parker so is above him.

My personal rankings have changed quite a lot over the past few months but they look something like this:

1. Usyk
2. Fury
3. Joshua
4. Ruiz
5. Hrgovic
6. Zhang
7. Whyte
8. Joyce
9. Sanchez
10. Parker
11. Wilder
12. Ajagba
13. Makhmudov
14. Chisora
15. Bakole

*Demirezen would be in 15th, but he has announced an indefinite break, while Anderson is next up behind Bakole.

Edit: Can I change my vote? I selected 7th instead of 8th as I didn't take into account that Zhang coming in would push them all down one.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Edit: Can I change my vote? I selected 7th instead of 8th as I didn't take into account that Zhang coming in would push them all down one.

Yeh, go ahead.

[DrDuke]

Zhang 5
Joyce 6
Everyone lower move 1 place down

[Perkin Warbeck]

Andy Ruiz should be ranked lower, he rarely fights and his past two wins are over old faded boxers.

Whyte should be below Zhang and Joyce, he's been stopped in two of his past 4 fights, and his last fight was a close one with a journeyman.

Zhang to 5, Joyce to 7

[Ruthless-RKO]

Who’s voting Zhang in at 9?

And where would you put Joyce?

[pound per pound]

Chat shit get Zhanged. 20/1 and £200 richer. Zhang to 4th, Joyce to 8th.

Reasoning is that Wilder has never beaten anyone as good as Joyce so Zhang goes up above him. Joyce has beaten Parker so is above him.

My personal rankings have changed quite a lot over the past few months but they look something like this:

1. Usyk
2. Fury
3. Joshua
4. Ruiz
5. Hrgovic
6. Zhang
7. Whyte
8. Joyce
9. Sanchez
10. Parker
11. Wilder
12. Ajagba
13. Makhmudov
14. Chisora
15. Bakole

*Demirezen would be in 15th, but he has announced an indefinite break, while Anderson is next up behind Bakole.
s a bit of

Edit: Can I change my vote? I selected 7th instead of 8th as I didn't take into account that Zhang coming in would push them all down one.

Now that is a good top 15. Joshua looked bad during his last fight. He is likely over rated. Fury at #2 is not a bad pick but I am about ready to drop him as he does not want to fight anyone young or ranked. Ruiz is acting like Fury, fighting the very old and washed up.

Let Usyk fight Hrgovic Or Zhang.

[pound per pound]

My vote:

1. Usky
2. Fury
3. Hrgovic
4. Zhang
5. Joshua
6. Ruiz
7. Sanchez
8. Joyce
9. Wilder
10 Dubios
11. Parker
12. Makmudov
13. Jalolov
14. Anderson
15. Gassiev


What a weak top 15. Hopefully the young guys can clean up this mess.

[JonnyKupfer]

We will end up with Zhang on 5 and Hrgovic on 14.

They shouldn’t be so far apart, because they had a close fight last year that could have gone either way.

[Ruthless-RKO]

We will end up with Zhang on 5 and Hrgovic on 14.

They shouldn’t be so far apart, because they had a close fight last year that could have gone either way.

Okay let’s say it was a close fight..

Since that fight Hrg hasn’t fought, whereas Zhang has beaten someone in the top5.

Hrg only got in after his controversial win over Zhang.

[joshj909]

We will end up with Zhang on 5 and Hrgovic on 14.

They shouldn’t be so far apart, because they had a close fight last year that could have gone either way.

Okay let’s say it was a close fight..

Since that fight Hrg hasn’t fought, whereas Zhang has beaten someone in the top5.

Hrg only got in after his controversial win over Zhang.

Had Zhang beat Joyce 7 months ago and then Hrgovic edged a close but possibly controversial decision last night, would that be all that different? For me it shouldn't be. We have the benefit of hindsight so can re-assess after a number of fights within a reasonable timeframe

[oogiebe]

Zhang 5
Joyce 6
Everyone moves down.

Easiest solution and let the others get voted as they fight or are removed due to inactivity.

[JonnyKupfer]

Since that fight Hrg hasn’t fought, whereas Zhang has beaten someone in the top5.

Hrgovic is still without an opponent, just like our entire Top 15. But you can’t say he isn’t trying to get a fight. He is the current IBF mandatory, but can’t get his title shot yet, because Usyk has to fight Dubios first. The Fury-Usyk negotiations delayed everything. So he won’t get his shot this year.
In the meantime the IBF ordered Hrgovic-Ruiz for the interim belt, but Ruiz pulled out before the purse bid started. Now he called out Zhang for a rematch. The high ranked fighters are avoiding him, because he isn’t a draw. So I can’t blame them. He has to wait till someone is willing to have a bad payday to challenge him for the mandatory position/interim belt.

[Ruthless-RKO]

As it stand Zhang is #5 and Joyce is #7.

Ruiz staying put ar #6

Everyone else moves down and Jah out.

[adislav123]

As it stand Zhang is #5 and Joyce is #7.

Ruiz staying put ar #6

Everyone else moves down and Jah out.

zhang at 9. joyce to 10.

[adislav123]

to put zhang at 5 in front of whyte, parker & ruiz? can't be serious.

y' all must be joking.

[oogiebe]

to put zhang at 5 in front of whyte, parker & ruiz? can't be serious.

y' all must be joking.

If I'm not mistaken you are putting parker ahead of JJ after getting ko'd by him.

[adislav123]

to put zhang at 5 in front of whyte, parker & ruiz? can't be serious.

y' all must be joking.

If I'm not mistaken you are putting parker ahead of JJ after getting ko'd by him.

u got me there!but he just lost to bang bang. and parker is constantly takin'out top heavies seems, it's all a bit confusing.

[CMCanavessi]

Joyce 7
Zhang 5

My top 15:

1) Fury
2) Usyk
3) Wilder
4) Joshua
5) Zhang
6) Ruiz
7) Joyce
8) Parker
9) Hrgovic
10) Sanchez
11) Whyte
12)Makhmudov
13) Bakole
14) Anderson
15) Ajagba

[Ruthless-RKO]

If we just got fair scorecards.. we’d never be in these situations.

Even last nyt, we had a dodgy card.

How come some people have Hrgovic so high on their lists?

[Ruthless-RKO]

There’s uneven votes..

Should be 30 votes.

[joshj909]

If we just got fair scorecards.. we’d never be in these situations.

Even last nyt, we had a dodgy card.

How come some people have Hrgovic so high on their lists?

On paper, he got the win over the guy everyone is voting to number 5 just 7 months ago.

[Ruthless-RKO]

If we just got fair scorecards.. we’d never be in these situations.

Even last nyt, we had a dodgy card.

How come some people have Hrgovic so high on their lists?

On paper, he got the win over the guy everyone is voting to number 5 just 7 months ago.

And at the time Zhang was not near our top 15 I don’t think.