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Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter v Holly Mims

This is the bout - according to urban myth - where Holly Mims came in as a late sub for the ailing Gomeo Brennan and Carter raised pure hell over having to fight the spoiling Holly Mims. Garden matchmaker Teddy Brenner supposedly had to settle him down by saying, "Rubin, listen to me, YOU...CAN'T...LOSE!" Anyways, take it for what its worth, but I always wanted to see it. NY scoring.

Round 1: Carter
Round 2: Mims
Round 3: Carter
Round 4: Mims (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: Carter
Round 6: Carter
Round 7: Carter
Round 8: Carter
Round 9: Carter
Round 10: Carter

Total: 8-2 Carter (actual scores: 6-3-1 twice and 7-3 all for Carter)

I don't know if it was just me, but I was trying to read Mims body language to see if he was holding back in any way. I did notice after he dropped Carter in the 4th, that in the 5th and 6th he didn't do spit. I'm wondering if he took a scolding from his corner for dropping Carter. I did hear that Mims stated afterwards about the knockdown, "I at least always like to let them know I was there." One of those curious type of bouts that always make you think. I know when I watched Carter's fight with Georgie Benton, I couldn't understand why a cutie like Benton was fighting Carter's fight. Maybe I'm seeing conspiracy everywhere.

[Ambling Alp II]

Young also ducked his head through the ropes to avoid getting hit in the 7th, 13th, and 15th rounds. (ali should got rounds 7 and 13 anyway). You can't give a guy a round if he has to resort to that.

By the same token I guess you can't give a round to a fighter if he has to resort to excessive holding right? I'm thinking Frazier actually deserved the nod in the second Ali-Frazier fight even if the ref didn't penalize all the holding Ali resorted to.

Please. There is a little bit of a difference between a clinch (not all started by Ali) and a guy actually ducking his head outside of the ring. Yet another excuse for Ali's opponent.

[margaret thatcher]

Holding is a very pick and choosey issue isnt it lol

[DrDuke]

Evander Holyfield vs Michael Moorer

1: Holyfield 10-9
2: Holyfield 10-8
3: Holyfield 10-9
4: Moorer 10-9
5: Moorer 10-9
6: Moorer 10-9
7: Holyfield 10-9
8: Holyfield 10-9
9: Moorer 10-9
10: Moorer 10-9
11: Holyfield 10-9
12: Moorer 10-9

Total score: Holyfield 114-113

A strange fight and a tough one to score. Holyfield fought injured / sore. Moorer fought as if he didn't want it much. Holyfield won the first quarter of the fight, after what he appeared to be exhausted (probably because of an injury). Moorer took the second quarter, but then went lethargic as if he already won. Holyfield bounced back for a couple of rounds, but then Moorer bounced back for another couple of rounds under the pressure of Atlas. After that Moorer again went lethargic, Atlas had to push him before the final round, where Moorer eventually showed some real effort. I had it draw without a KD. Also, it's tough to judge the 2nd round, cause Moorer was winning it, before he was decked. Anyway, Moorer didn't fight like a guy, who wanted to take away the belts from the champ and he was lucky to have sore Holyfield in front of him that night.

[Ambling Alp II]

I had Moorer winning this fight handily. Whether it was his shoulder or what, Holyfield looked lethargic most of the fight. Many people were surprised that the judges had it so close.

[DrDuke]

I had Moorer winning this fight handily. Whether it was his shoulder or what, Holyfield looked lethargic most of the fight. Many people were surprised that the judges had it so close.

They both had a bunch of lethargic rounds.

[DrDuke]

Nikolay Valuev vs Evander Holyfield

1: Holyfield 10-9
2: Holyfield 10-9
3: Holyfield 10-9
4: Holyfield 10-9
5: Holyfield 10-9
6: Valuev 10-9
7: Valuev 10-9
8: Valuev 10-9
9: Holyfield 10-9
10: Holyfield 10-9
11: Holyfield 10-9
12: Valuev 10-9

Total score: Holyfield 116-112

An awful fight to watch and a robbery. A disgrace for boxing, it's sad to realize, that the history of the sport had such chapters. A World title fight between the circus tallman, whose boxing skills were amateurish, and the old veteran, who wasn't there anymore and didn't deserve a shot. Holyfield won the first 5 rounds just because Valuev was simply walking and occasionaly pawing with jabs, adding super rare rights, while Holy was at least bouncing around Valuev and landing clean single punches, mostly left hooks, right hands. Valuev woke up for a bunch of the rounds since the 6th one and won the following three rounds baced on jabs and one twos, but after those rounds Holy came back and again was landing the most visible punches. Holy only blew the ending of the last round, probably acknowledging that he had already done enough for the victory. However, the judges scored as they did. A total disgrace in terms of action and judging.

[margaret thatcher]

I am in the minority I think in not seeing that as a robbery (possibly the same as the Huck fight which you also called a robbery). Graham Houston was also dumbfounded about all the robbery talk, though it seems the common view.

Holyfield started well but hardly threw anything after the 5th, while Valuev was still jabbing and throwing the occasional right. There was so little of note happening that you could score him rounds even with so little. I don't know if Holy just didn't have the energy or if he was complacent because of how easily he was outboxing Valuev earlier, but he kinda let it slip himself.

[hhaehre]

I had Moorer winning this fight handily. Whether it was his shoulder or what, Holyfield looked lethargic most of the fight. Many people were surprised that the judges had it so close.

I though Moorer won it clearly too. From what I remember Holyfield couldn't get deal with that Moorer southpaw jab.

[DrDuke]

I am in the minority I think in not seeing that as a robbery (possibly the same as the Huck fight which you also called a robbery). Graham Houston was also dumbfounded about all the robbery talk, though it seems the common view.

Holyfield started well but hardly threw anything after the 5th, while Valuev was still jabbing and throwing the occasional right. There was so little of note happening that you could score him rounds even with so little. I don't know if Holy just didn't have the energy or if he was complacent because of how easily he was outboxing Valuev earlier, but he kinda let it slip himself.

Yeah, Holy kinda withered after the 5th, he lost clearly a three round streak afterwards, but after that he began scoring again. Valuev's pawing with jabs didn't look that effective in contrast to Holyfield's punches. Although those didn't hurt Valuev, they looked like punches at least. Holy even started the last round well, but there he became too inactive eventually and blew it as well.

[DrDuke]

Valuev-Ruiz dilogy:

#1
1: Ruiz 10-9
2: Ruiz 10-9
3: Valuev 10-9
4: Ruiz 10-9
5: Valuev 10-9
6: Valuev 10-9
7: Ruiz 10-9
8: Valuev 10-9
9: Ruiz 10-9
10: Valuev 10-9
11: Ruiz 10-9
12: Ruiz 10-9
Total: Ruiz 115-113

A robbery, but not as much disgusting, as the fight itself was. Don King's power was diminishing more and more, so the main Ruiz' weapon, the judges, now were turned against him. Valuev was awful, for the majority of time he was pawing with jabs in his trademark fashion. Ruiz was landing at least something in his throw-and-hold style, but this time it went against Ruiz, cause he had to wrestle with a much heavier opponent. Ruiz started good, but later began to tire, yet he was able to steal the final rounds.

#2
1: Ruiz 10-9
2: Ruiz 10-9
3: Valuev 10-9
4: Valuev 10-9
5: Valuev 10-9
6: Ruiz 10-9
7: Valuev 10-9
8: Valuev 10-9
9: Ruiz 10-9
10: Ruiz 10-8 (Valuev deducted a point for pushing Ruiz down)
11: Ruiz 10-9
12: Ruiz 10-9
Total: Ruiz 115-112

Generally, the same awful sh!t as the first bout, but with some differences. Ruiz started even better than in the first fight, in the 2nd round he even rocked Valuev and after the following Ruiz' flurry attempt Valuev almost fell and was saved by the ropes, what brings a bit of possible KD controversy. Valuev surprisingly came back after that round and took the mid-rounds, although his main success, as usual, was in pawing with jabs. However, this time it was Valuev, who was more tired in the deep waters, and Ruiz used it good. Ruiz even smartly fell on the canvas, after Valuev pushed him down, it caused a point to Valuev. Overall, a quite close boring bout, yet Ruiz looked a bit better. It's a total disgrace for the sport to have such World championship bouts.

[Woldemar]

Paul Malignaggi vs Hermann Ngoudjo

1.Paul
2.Paul
3.Ngoudjo
4.Ngoudjo
5.Ngoudjo
6.Paul
7.Ngoudjo
8.Ngoudjo
9.Paul
10.Paul
11.Even
12.Ngoudjo

Winner : Hermann Ngoudjo 115-114

Official scorecard : Malignaggi won by UD (117-111,116-113,115-113)


Close fight.IMO Ngoudjo landed more bigger shots and maked more than Paul in this bout.

[DrDuke]

Nikolay Valuev vs Larry Donald

1: Donald 10-9
2: Valuev 10-9
3: Donald 10-9
4: Donald 10-9
5: Valuev 10-9
6: Donald 10-9
7: Donald 10-9
8: Donald 10-9
9: Donald 10-9
10: Donald 10-9
11: Valuev 10-9
12: Donald 10-9

Total score: Donald 117-111

The biggest pro-Valuev robbery among the fights of Valuev on the higher level.

[margaret thatcher]

The 2nd Ruiz fight I think Valuev was the worst hurt in his career, that easily could've been called a knockdown , I think only the ropes kept him up

[DrDuke]

Nikolay Valuev vs Ruslan Chagaev

1: Chagaev 10-9
2: Chagaev 10-9
3: Chagaev 10-9
4: Chagaev 10-9
5: Chagaev 10-9
6: Chagaev 10-9
7: Chagaev 10-9
8: Valuev 10-9
9: Chagaev 10-9
10: Valuev 10-9
11: Chagaev 10-9
12: Chagaev 10-9

Total score: Chagaev 118-110

Chagaev totally outclassed Valuev, yet even here the judges were trying to rob Valuev's opponent, as the one scored too narrow, while the other one was enough corrupt to give a draw. Anyway, Chagaev's dominance was too good to complete a robbery. He was outboxing Valuev since the first bell. He tired a bit in the later rounds and blew a couple of them, but overall it was a clear victory of Chagaev.

P.S. Valuev's coach Manvel Gabrielian provided epic comedy after the 11th, when he was shouting at Valuev with obscene language and his Armenian accent. He had rants like that at Valuev quite often (for obvious reasons), but that was his purely best stuff.

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Floyd Mayweather v Oscar DeLaHoya

This fight's probably been done to death, but I actually scored it recently, so here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Floyd
Round 2: 10-9 Oscar
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Floyd
Round 5: 10-9 Floyd
Round 6: 10-9 Oscar
Round 7: 10-9 Oscar
Round 8: 10-9 Oscar
Round 9: 10-9 Floyd
Round 10: 10-9 Floyd
Round 11: 10-9 Floyd
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 116-114 Mayweather (actual scores: 116-112 and 115-113 both for Mayweather and 115-113 for Oscar for a split decision Floyd win)

Again, not much ground to go over that we haven't done in the past. Even as the commentators mentioned, it was hard to come to grips with Oscar's neglect of the jab after his mid-rounds success. But it is what it is.

[DrDuke]

Nikolay Valuev vs David Haye

1: Haye 10-9
2: Haye 10-9
3: Haye 10-9
4: Valuev 10-9
5: Haye 10-9
6: Valuev 10-9
7: Haye 10-9
8: Haye 10-9
9: Haye 10-9
10: Valuev 10-9
11: Haye 10-9
12: Haye 10-9

Total score: Haye 117-111

Haye comfortably outboxed Valuev, so that he made it impossible to steal a victory from him, although judges tried as much as they could, like it had always been in Valuev bouts, and they gave MD. Haye sent a one of the most disgaceful champions to retirement (just to do the same with another disgaceful champ, John Ruiz, in his next bout).

[LeRoiDuRing]

Young also ducked his head through the ropes to avoid getting hit in the 7th, 13th, and 15th rounds. (ali should got rounds 7 and 13 anyway). You can't give a guy a round if he has to resort to that. Change Ali those three rounds instead of Young, then instead of a draw, it becomes 70-64 for Ali.

Yeah I can understand that and that how most people scores those rounds but I scored this fight with giving Young the benefict of the doubt in a lot of rounds, some uneventful could have been scored even and the one in which he used those tactics can very well to Ali too but by scoring it this way I wanted to prove that Ali was never gived a victory in this fight nor Young robbed. It was just a very uneventful and dull fight and in a way I believe a draw is the most suiting result as it feel like none of both fighters deserve the glory of win after a fighting like that.

[LeRoiDuRing]

Sugar Ray Leonard vs Thomas Hearns II 1989.06.12

Here we go with certainly the most contreversial scorecard I ever made !

Round 1 : Hearns 10-9
Round 2 : Leonard 10-9
Round 3 Hearns 10-8 (knockdown)
Round 4 Leonard 10-9
Round 5 Leonard 10-9
Round 6 Hearns 10-9
Round 7 Leonard 10-9
Round 8 Leonard 10-9
Round 9 Leonard 10-9
Round 10 Leonard 10-9
Round 11 Hearns 10-8 (knockdown)
Round 12 Leonard 10-9

Final score : 114-112 Leonard.

Officials result was a Draw : 113-112 for Leonard /113-112 for Hearns / 112-112 Draw

Like you certainly know this draw is extremely contreversial. Sugar Ray himself later admitted he thought he lost that fight, commentators and most fans called it a travesty and a robbery ... But I really disagree with the complaints and agree with the final result being a draw. Of course Hearns scores those two knockdowns but other than that, he looked extremely tired after the half-way point, had very inexistent footwork and head movment and a very unefective jab leading to me and I think the judges too to score most of the non-knockdown rounds to Leonard in which he did the most effective punching and defensive work.

I don't think Leonard nor Hearns were robbed of anything as I agree with the final result being a draw. A lot of rounds were tough to score for sure but I don't see any contreversy in this as it could have very well go either way. It was a good fight, tactical at times war at others. For me the draw a legit result. Leonard took the edge of most of the rounds for me because of better jabs through the fight and good body work in the early rounds.

A good example of this fight being misunderstood is Larry Merchant, the HBO commentator calling this fight a robbery just after the decision without having scoring it ended up having it 114-112 for Hearns after watching it a second time.

I really don't get why Sugar is saying he lost this fight, he's certainly a big friend with Hearns or something like that because in my book of scorecards, he did far better in this one than he did against Hagler but hey it's just my own personal way of seeing it, what is your scorecard for this one ?

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Nikolay Valuev vs Evander Holyfield

1: Holyfield 10-9
2: Holyfield 10-9
3: Holyfield 10-9
4: Holyfield 10-9
5: Holyfield 10-9
6: Valuev 10-9
7: Valuev 10-9
8: Valuev 10-9
9: Holyfield 10-9
10: Holyfield 10-9
11: Holyfield 10-9
12: Valuev 10-9

Total score: Holyfield 116-112

An awful fight to watch and a robbery. A disgrace for boxing, it's sad to realize, that the history of the sport had such chapters. A World title fight between the circus tallman, whose boxing skills were amateurish, and the old veteran, who wasn't there anymore and didn't deserve a shot. Holyfield won the first 5 rounds just because Valuev was simply walking and occasionaly pawing with jabs, adding super rare rights, while Holy was at least bouncing around Valuev and landing clean single punches, mostly left hooks, right hands. Valuev woke up for a bunch of the rounds since the 6th one and won the following three rounds baced on jabs and one twos, but after those rounds Holy came back and again was landing the most visible punches. Holy only blew the ending of the last round, probably acknowledging that he had already done enough for the victory. However, the judges scored as they did. A total disgrace in terms of action and judging.

- What grade was you in then?

Niko had to be dragged into the ring against an unlicensed fighter by DKing contractual obligations held in Switzerland sans a boxing commish.

Not a fight, but an DKing orchestration. The story of the fight was Field danced as Niko held ring center. Field was paid $75k, a whore being passed around by the Russians.

Mid rds Niko bulls Field into the corner like a 5 yr old and smothers him with unseen uppercuts before walking baback to ring center.

King launched his illicit WBA era with Field and Ruiz who were in the mix until Wlad took over after being ducked for years.

Btw, 40ish John retired before King dragged him out for the Haye farce orchestrated by King.

And Chisora had pinky toe out on his feet before the bell rang early, a classic ruse in uncounted 1000s of fights.

It's like you're still in grade school not understanding how life really works.

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Gene Fullmer v Spider Webb II

Round 1: 10-9 Webb
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Fullmer
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Fullmer
Round 6: 10-9 Fullmer
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Fullmer
Round 9: 10-9 Fullmer
Round 10: 10-9 Fullmer
Round 11: 10-9 Webb
Round 12: 10-9 Fullmer
Round 13: 10-9 Webb
Round 14: 10-9 Fullmer
Round 15: 10-9 Fullmer

Total: 147-141 Fullmer (actual scores: 148-136, 150-132 and 147-141 all for Fullmer)

Not a spine-tingling fight if you're looking for excitement. Spider Webb was so talented but Fullmer's rough-house style just negated anything Spider could do from the outside. And then on the inside - which was not Spider's territory - he was up against one of the great maulers of the game. Wished the fight film was a bit sharper, but it wasn't really bad considering some of them out there.

[DrDuke]

Nikolay Valuev vs Evander Holyfield

1: Holyfield 10-9
2: Holyfield 10-9
3: Holyfield 10-9
4: Holyfield 10-9
5: Holyfield 10-9
6: Valuev 10-9
7: Valuev 10-9
8: Valuev 10-9
9: Holyfield 10-9
10: Holyfield 10-9
11: Holyfield 10-9
12: Valuev 10-9

Total score: Holyfield 116-112

An awful fight to watch and a robbery. A disgrace for boxing, it's sad to realize, that the history of the sport had such chapters. A World title fight between the circus tallman, whose boxing skills were amateurish, and the old veteran, who wasn't there anymore and didn't deserve a shot. Holyfield won the first 5 rounds just because Valuev was simply walking and occasionaly pawing with jabs, adding super rare rights, while Holy was at least bouncing around Valuev and landing clean single punches, mostly left hooks, right hands. Valuev woke up for a bunch of the rounds since the 6th one and won the following three rounds baced on jabs and one twos, but after those rounds Holy came back and again was landing the most visible punches. Holy only blew the ending of the last round, probably acknowledging that he had already done enough for the victory. However, the judges scored as they did. A total disgrace in terms of action and judging.

- What grade was you in then?

Niko had to be dragged into the ring against an unlicensed fighter by DKing contractual obligations held in Switzerland sans a boxing commish.

Not a fight, but an DKing orchestration. The story of the fight was Field danced as Niko held ring center. Field was paid $75k, a whore being passed around by the Russians.

Mid rds Niko bulls Field into the corner like a 5 yr old and smothers him with unseen uppercuts before walking baback to ring center.

King launched his illicit WBA era with Field and Ruiz who were in the mix until Wlad took over after being ducked for years.

Btw, 40ish John retired before King dragged him out for the Haye farce orchestrated by King.

And Chisora had pinky toe out on his feet before the bell rang early, a classic ruse in uncounted 1000s of fights.

It's like you're still in grade school not understanding how life really works.

Oh, what a smart a$$, sit diwn, get your "A".

It's absolutely clear without your "help", that WBA was under King's and then under his and Sauerland's influence, that's why them mofos were tracking their "champions", picking contenders and decisions for them. The point was, that it was fake and corrupts as it gets.

[DrDuke]

Joseph Parker vs Carlos Takam

1: Takam 10-9
2: Parker 10-9
3: Parker 10-9
4: Parker 10-9
5: Takam 10-9
6: Parker 10-9
7: Parker 10-9
8: Parker 10-9
9: Takam 10-9
10: Parker 10-9
11: Parker 10-9
12: Takam 10-9

Total score: Parker 116-114

A solid competetive affair. Takam was majorly pushing the pace, but Parker was landing more defining shots through the bout.

[DrDuke]

Joseph Parker vs Andy Ruiz Jr

1: Parker 10-9
2: Ruiz 10-9
3: Ruiz 10-9
4: Parker 10-9
5: Parker 10-9
6: Parker 10-9
7: Ruiz 10-9
8: Parker 10-9
9: Ruiz 10-9
10: Parker 10-9
11: Parker 10-9
12: Parker 10-9

Total score: Parker 116-112

It was close. but still Parker won in quite clearly. Ruiz was the aggressor, but mostly he was just moving forward without the punches. His defense also had a lot of holes. Parker moved well, jabbed well, landed the most noticeable shots.

[Seamus]

Willie Pep vs Fabela Chavez

Slightly distorted video image, plus Pep was in his 176th fight. All 3 judges had it 58-42 for Pep, which I confess is a scoring system I don't understand. I gave Chavez the 3rd and the 8th, when Pep appeared to take the round off, so I had 8-2 for Pep on rounds. The 6th was the only rd that I could have seen as having a 2 pt margin, after Pep had Chavez in some trouble in the last 30 seconds.