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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:21

But nobody else ever managed 26 title defenses did they?

Quality means a lot more to me. You know that Thai dude at 53-0 or whatever..

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:25 I have, and I know who he fought. When you're talking about deciding the absolute highest tier of p4p atgs of course it's gonna get into fine details and picking, should be obvious

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:21

But nobody else ever managed 26 title defenses did they?

Quality means a lot more to me. You know that Thai dude at 53-0 or whatever..

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:21

But nobody else ever managed 26 title defenses did they?

Quality means a lot more to me. You know that Thai dude at 53-0 or whatever..

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:33

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:22

Quality means a lot more to me. You know that Thai dude at 53-0 or whatever..

Like I said aside from the 26 title defenses he beat 3 former Champions who were the biggest names possible basically to beat at that time.

He had beaten numerous contenders to get a title shot in the first place as a Black Man would've had to in 1937 to get a title shot.

After retiring as Champion in 1949 he came back to challenge for the title in 1950 losing to Ezzard Charles, and then proceeded to go on an 8 bout winning streak before losing to Future Champion Rocky Marciano.

His 8 bout winning streak included a win over solid contender, and Hall of Famer Jimmy Bivins.

All told he beat 8 Hall of Famers I believe. Some of them twice. He faced 10, and was only ever beaten by Hall of Famers.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:34 I wasn't comparing them directly, I was just citing Moony as an example of why quantity is a limited metric--a guy with great volume who obviously isn't in the discussion. That's hardly as if I'm saying he and Joe Louis are the same.

Wlad made like 20 defenses too, is he like the 2 atg hw?


Just quickly I'd agree with Gil havign all those guys above Joe, and then I'd add others too. Floyd I think rates higher for example. To me Louis would be no higher than Haggler too etc

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:34 I wasn't comparing them directly, I was just citing Moony as an example of why quantity is a limited metric--a guy with great volume who obviously isn't in the discussion. That's hardly as if I'm saying he and Joe Louis are the same.

Wlad made like 20 defenses too, is he like the 2 atg hw?


Just quickly I'd agree with Gil havign all those guys above Joe, and then I'd add others too. Floyd I think rates higher for example. To me Louis would be no higher than Haggler too etc

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:36

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:34 I wasn't comparing them directly, I was just citing Moony as an example of why quantity is a limited metric--a guy with great volume who obviously isn't in the discussion. That's hardly as if I'm saying he and Joe Louis are the same.

Wlad made like 20 defenses too, is he like the 2 atg hw?


Just quickly I'd agree with Gil havign all those guys above Joe, and then I'd add others too. Floyd I think rates higher for example. To me Louis would be no higher than Haggler too etc

Wlad had the 3rd longest reign in Heavyweight Championship history. You could make a case for him being all time Top 10, though for me he'd be Top 15.

At Heavyweight of course I mean, not Pound for Pound.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:36

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:33

Like I said aside from the 26 title defenses he beat 3 former Champions who were the biggest names possible basically to beat at that time.

He had beaten numerous contenders to get a title shot in the first place as a Black Man would've had to in 1937 to get a title shot.

After retiring as Champion in 1949 he came back to challenge for the title in 1950 losing to Ezzard Charles, and then proceeded to go on an 8 bout winning streak before losing to Future Champion Rocky Marciano.

His 8 bout winning streak included a win over solid contender, and Hall of Famer Jimmy Bivins.

All told he beat 8 Hall of Famers I believe. Some of them twice. He faced 10, and was only ever beaten by Hall of Famers.

Lol, you were listing names like Primo Carnera, Buddy Baer, and LHW Billy Conn in his notable win stats. Now you're mentioning little Jimmy Bivins. Fine by most standards, but this type of stuff is nothing for a guy supposedly top 3-10 p4p atg.

When you mention actual names, and consider the weights, it's really not super convincing for top 3-10 atg p4p

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:36


Lol, you were listing names like Primo Carnera, Buddy Baer, and LHW Billy Conn in his notable win stats. Now you're mentioning little Jimmy Bivins. Fine by most standards, but this type of stuff is nothing for a guy supposedly top 3-10 p4p atg.

When you mention actual names, and consider the weights, it's really not super convincing for top 3-10 atg p4p

Carnera is not even one of the Hall of Famers. Just a Former World Champion he beat.

His resume is nothing to scoff at.

Obviously there are many fighters with great achievements, but Joe's reign and standing can't be denied.

Tell me who all you'd rank ahead of him, and tell me why you think they deserve such status.

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:41

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:39

Carnera is not even one of the Hall of Famers. Just a Former World Champion he beat.

His resume is nothing to scoff at.

Obviously there are many fighters with great achievements, but Joe's reign and standing can't be denied.

Tell me who all you'd rank ahead of him, and tell me why you think they deserve such status.

Sorry Gil. Mags is the questioner in this forum.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 18:51 I already refered to more than 10 guys I'd rate higher, pay closer attention