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rd350lc wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 18:50

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Dec 2017, 11:49 https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2017 ... ly-weight/

The Super Middleweight limit is 12st (168 lbs) I am NOT a Super Middleweight. But that will not stop me from dominating the division starting with George Groves on Feb 17th #NextGen #TeamEubank pic.twitter.com/6PncVgdyaE
— Chris Eubank Jr (@ChrisEubankJr) December 23, 2017

What a smug arse jnr really is !

Groves and his team will we licking thier lips, he's simply too small.

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 22:30

rd350lc wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 18:50

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Dec 2017, 11:49 https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2017 ... ly-weight/

What a smug arse jnr really is !

Groves and his team will we licking thier lips, he's simply too small.

Alternatively, will he simply go into the ring at full strength and with no issues relating to draining weight in the previous few days. He will be as strong in the ring as he is every other day of any week when many fighters say they are stronger between fights when just strolling around without trying to cut weight. By definition, to cut weight, someone is eating in a negative energy balance.

tobyh5 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 02:26

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 22:30

rd350lc wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 18:50

What a smug arse jnr really is !

Groves and his team will we licking thier lips, he's simply too small.

Alternatively, will he simply go into the ring at full strength and with no issues relating to draining weight in the previous few days. He will be as strong in the ring as he is every other day of any week when many fighters say they are stronger between fights when just strolling around without trying to cut weight. By definition, to cut weight, someone is eating in a negative energy balance.

Sounds good in theory but we see massive differences on fight night when guys can boil themselves down to the weight limit and then rehydrate overnight. Chavez Jr for example was coming in at 180+ when he was fighting at 160. Looked like man vs boy against Lee.

If the weigh in was done on fight day at about 4pm, then it is a different story.

It's a big task for Eubank Jr to be fair. When you compare Groves is much bigger and arguably a harder fight. If GGG or Canelo stepped up to 168 to fight Groves, I don't think they would be heavy favourites. How would the bookies price those fights up?

tobyh5 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 02:26

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 22:30

rd350lc wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 18:50

What a smug arse jnr really is !

Groves and his team will we licking thier lips, he's simply too small.

Alternatively, will he simply go into the ring at full strength and with no issues relating to draining weight in the previous few days. He will be as strong in the ring as he is every other day of any week when many fighters say they are stronger between fights when just strolling around without trying to cut weight. By definition, to cut weight, someone is eating in a negative energy balance.

You definitely do see fights where the non-drained 'naturally smaller' man's stamina is the deciding factor in his favour

I just hope this is one of those where size matters!

Carl Froch was on TalkSport today and he's picked Eubank to beat him on points.

Crease wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 08:19 Carl Froch was on TalkSport today and he's picked Eubank to beat him on points.

Froch picks against Groves, shock

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 09:43Froch picks against Groves, shock

Well in fairness, he has sparred them both, so he would be well placed to have an input in this.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 09:43

Crease wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 08:19 Carl Froch was on TalkSport today and he's picked Eubank to beat him on points.

Froch picks against Groves, shock

Yeah I've got a feeling me may hold a grudge, Fearon picked him too and he knows fcuk all as well.

Froch was generous in his praise when Groves beat Chudinov.

Wasn’t he live on air? Would have been very hard for him not to be praising him.

Of course he may have picked this correctly.

I can’t wait for this. The speculation will soon be done with and I’m sure we will all be in for a treat either way.

I still have no idea as to the outcome of this fight.

If Jnr overwhelmed Groves early or put on a boxing clinic I wouldn't be surprised.

If Groves starched Jnr with one punch or put on a beatdown I wouldn't be surprised.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we can't separate them after 12 rounds.

It's tough (for me) because Eubank is still an unknown quantity at this level while Groves can be fragile or tough depending on any given night.

Groves points at 6/1 is an absolutely mad bet IMO. Can definitely see that happening

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 11:18 I still have no idea as to the outcome of this fight.

If Jnr overwhelmed Groves early or put on a boxing clinic I wouldn't be surprised.

If Groves starched Jnr with one punch or put on a beatdown I wouldn't be surprised.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we can't separate them after 12 rounds.

It's tough (for me) because Eubank is still an unknown quantity at this level while Groves can be fragile or tough depending on any given night.

I cannot see the first scenario happening. Boxing clinic? He’s nowhere near good enough for that.

This is the fight which shows Eubanks level, I’m convinced he’s getting poleaxed.

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 11:53

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 11:18 I still have no idea as to the outcome of this fight.

If Jnr overwhelmed Groves early or put on a boxing clinic I wouldn't be surprised.

If Groves starched Jnr with one punch or put on a beatdown I wouldn't be surprised.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we can't separate them after 12 rounds.

It's tough (for me) because Eubank is still an unknown quantity at this level while Groves can be fragile or tough depending on any given night.

I cannot see the first scenario happening. Boxing clinic? He’s nowhere near good enough for that.

This is the fight which shows Eubanks level, I’m convinced he’s getting poleaxed.

Fair enough. To me it's where we find out his level.

I was very impressed with the way he came back against BJS but that could have been down to Saunders previous regime.

I also think he has a stellar set of whiskers.......

But I just don't know.

Questions should be answered one way or the other this weekend.

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 11:18 I still have no idea as to the outcome of this fight.

If Jnr overwhelmed Groves early or put on a boxing clinic I wouldn't be surprised.

If Groves starched Jnr with one punch or put on a beatdown I wouldn't be surprised.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we can't separate them after 12 rounds.

It's tough (for me) because Eubank is still an unknown quantity at this level while Groves can be fragile or tough depending on any given night.

I swear Eubank is the most overrated fighter of all time. Who has he beat? His best opponent was an unfit/un-bothered Saunders ages ago and he still lost

His not even that skilled. He throws wide shots, his footwork and positioning is amatuer and his head movement is hardly Mayweather

Couple that with being small as fvck for a super middle

Where on earth are people getting this 'he'll blow Groves away' crap from?

How is he even favourite?

he's talented and defo top 15 in the world but this over egging is ridiculous. Groves beat better opponents in his first 15 fights than Eubank has now, maybe excluding Abraham, who is old as sh1t

Froch tipped Abraham to beat Groves and in the same sentence tipped Paul Smith to beat Abraham.

I know its been limited opposition, but I feel Eubank is filling into the weight nicely and is starting to demonstrate power that he has not shown at Middleweight.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:03

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 11:18 I still have no idea as to the outcome of this fight.

If Jnr overwhelmed Groves early or put on a boxing clinic I wouldn't be surprised.

If Groves starched Jnr with one punch or put on a beatdown I wouldn't be surprised.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we can't separate them after 12 rounds.

It's tough (for me) because Eubank is still an unknown quantity at this level while Groves can be fragile or tough depending on any given night.

I swear Eubank is the most overrated fighter of all time. Who has he beat? His best opponent was an unfit/un-bothered Saunders ages ago and he still lost

His not even that skilled. He throws wide shots, his footwork and positioning is amatuer and his head movement is hardly Mayweather

Couple that with being small as fvck for a super middle

Where on earth are people getting this 'he'll blow Groves away' crap from?

How is he even favourite?

he's talented and defo top 15 in the world but this over egging is ridiculous. Groves beat better opponents in his first 15 fights than Eubank has now, maybe excluding Abraham, who is old as sh1t

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:03

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 11:18 I still have no idea as to the outcome of this fight.

If Jnr overwhelmed Groves early or put on a boxing clinic I wouldn't be surprised.

If Groves starched Jnr with one punch or put on a beatdown I wouldn't be surprised.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we can't separate them after 12 rounds.

It's tough (for me) because Eubank is still an unknown quantity at this level while Groves can be fragile or tough depending on any given night.

I swear Eubank is the most overrated fighter of all time. Who has he beat? His best opponent was an unfit/un-bothered Saunders ages ago and he still lost

His not even that skilled. He throws wide shots, his footwork and positioning is amatuer and his head movement is hardly Mayweather

Couple that with being small as fvck for a super middle

Where on earth are people getting this 'he'll blow Groves away' crap from?

How is he even favourite?

he's talented and defo top 15 in the world but this over egging is ridiculous. Groves beat better opponents in his first 15 fights than Eubank has now, maybe excluding Abraham, who is old as sh1t

Did you only read one line from my post & then write your emotional response based on that line

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:03

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 11:18 I still have no idea as to the outcome of this fight.

If Jnr overwhelmed Groves early or put on a boxing clinic I wouldn't be surprised.

If Groves starched Jnr with one punch or put on a beatdown I wouldn't be surprised.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we can't separate them after 12 rounds.

It's tough (for me) because Eubank is still an unknown quantity at this level while Groves can be fragile or tough depending on any given night.

I swear Eubank is the most overrated fighter of all time. Who has he beat? His best opponent was an unfit/un-bothered Saunders ages ago and he still lost

His not even that skilled. He throws wide shots, his footwork and positioning is amatuer and his head movement is hardly Mayweather

Couple that with being small as fvck for a super middle

Where on earth are people getting this 'he'll blow Groves away' crap from?

How is he even favourite?

he's talented and defo top 15 in the world but this over egging is ridiculous. Groves beat better opponents in his first 15 fights than Eubank has now, maybe excluding Abraham, who is old as sh1t

I know what you are saying, but I don't think you can dismiss it as impossible given the power Eubank showed in his last fight. I agree with his defensive frailities (although his chin looks excellent) but then Groves has also shown a lack of discipline. I think he showed that in his last fight - I agree with Eubank that there was a bit of relief when Groves put Cox away - I think Cox had hurt him.... and Cox is a small Middleweight, let alone Super Middleweight.

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:08

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:03

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 11:18 I still have no idea as to the outcome of this fight.

If Jnr overwhelmed Groves early or put on a boxing clinic I wouldn't be surprised.

If Groves starched Jnr with one punch or put on a beatdown I wouldn't be surprised.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we can't separate them after 12 rounds.

It's tough (for me) because Eubank is still an unknown quantity at this level while Groves can be fragile or tough depending on any given night.

I swear Eubank is the most overrated fighter of all time. Who has he beat? His best opponent was an unfit/un-bothered Saunders ages ago and he still lost

His not even that skilled. He throws wide shots, his footwork and positioning is amatuer and his head movement is hardly Mayweather

Couple that with being small as fvck for a super middle

Where on earth are people getting this 'he'll blow Groves away' crap from?

How is he even favourite?

he's talented and defo top 15 in the world but this over egging is ridiculous. Groves beat better opponents in his first 15 fights than Eubank has now, maybe excluding Abraham, who is old as sh1t

Did you only read one line from my post & then write your emotional response based on that line

Yeah don't worry lol I'm not battering you personally... but the build up in general has been ridiculous. Never seen so much hype so someone who's only really fought busmen

stujones wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:08

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:03

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 11:18 I still have no idea as to the outcome of this fight.

If Jnr overwhelmed Groves early or put on a boxing clinic I wouldn't be surprised.

If Groves starched Jnr with one punch or put on a beatdown I wouldn't be surprised.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we can't separate them after 12 rounds.

It's tough (for me) because Eubank is still an unknown quantity at this level while Groves can be fragile or tough depending on any given night.

I swear Eubank is the most overrated fighter of all time. Who has he beat? His best opponent was an unfit/un-bothered Saunders ages ago and he still lost

His not even that skilled. He throws wide shots, his footwork and positioning is amatuer and his head movement is hardly Mayweather

Couple that with being small as fvck for a super middle

Where on earth are people getting this 'he'll blow Groves away' crap from?

How is he even favourite?

he's talented and defo top 15 in the world but this over egging is ridiculous. Groves beat better opponents in his first 15 fights than Eubank has now, maybe excluding Abraham, who is old as sh1t

I know what you are saying, but I don't think you can dismiss it as impossible given the power Eubank showed in his last fight. I agree with his defensive frailities (although his chin looks excellent) but then Groves has also shown a lack of discipline. I think he showed that in his last fight - I agree with Eubank that there was a bit of relief when Groves put Cox away - I think Cox had hurt him.... and Cox is a small Middleweight, let alone Super Middleweight.

It does now but that's the thing... who's actually hit him?

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:22

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:08

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:03

I swear Eubank is the most overrated fighter of all time. Who has he beat? His best opponent was an unfit/un-bothered Saunders ages ago and he still lost

His not even that skilled. He throws wide shots, his footwork and positioning is amatuer and his head movement is hardly Mayweather

Couple that with being small as fvck for a super middle

Where on earth are people getting this 'he'll blow Groves away' crap from?

How is he even favourite?

he's talented and defo top 15 in the world but this over egging is ridiculous. Groves beat better opponents in his first 15 fights than Eubank has now, maybe excluding Abraham, who is old as sh1t

Did you only read one line from my post & then write your emotional response based on that line

Yeah don't worry lol I'm not battering you personally... but the build up in general has been ridiculous. Never seen so much hype so someone who's only really fought busmen

I should hope not seeing as I genuinely don't have a strong opinion either way.

Eubank, to me, is an unknown quantity.

I can understand why people think he has little chance but I am prepared to be surprised either way.

Which I love

among the various reasons that have been given by various people for a Eubank win, its difficult to pick which is the more troubling assumption- that Eubank has punching power, that he is a skillful boxer (neither of which has he remotely proven at any kind of level), that he must have a great chin because his dad did (ask Marvis Frazier how that one goes), that he has this iron self-belief (that has never had to prove itself against serious competition)... I'm just at all the assumptions that have been made.

and it gets better, as from where I am sitting, even his supposed ace in the hole card, his real tangible supposed advantage is that he seems to have a good engine. and that has been proven largely by posting training montages on Instagram and throwing 50 punch combinations against people who are basically unable for various reasons to hit him back.

I mean ,this incredible engine (woooh he's such a beast you should see his training montages on Insta), we're talking about, has been into the 12th round 3 whole times

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 12:33that he must have a great chin because his dad did (ask Marvis Frazier how that one goes),

Did someone on here actually say that

If Eubank wins where does Groves go next?