Canelo Alvarez vs. Sergey Kovalev - November 2, 2019

[boxing_rocks]

There is definitely in between, and that is where he is now. "Shot" just means that he shifted too much from his prime. For example, if Golovkin doesn't manage a clear win against Derevo, I will call him shot.

Well you shouldn't.

A shot fighter is completely finished. He probably wouldn't beat any contender of any note. If you can still compete at the Top 10 level, and are still considered a serious contender. You're definitely not shot.

I'd refer to a Champion who's seen his better days, but is still competing at a high level to be faded, but even that isn't entirely accurate because the great ones can still learn to adapt even as they age.

Point is. If they're still fighting and winning in significant fights. They ain't shot.

You are adding "completely" yourself. There are degrees of being shot. When formerly dominant champion starts struggling against B level opposition, he is definitely shot at some degree. Not yet dead, but wounded.

[gilgamesh]

Well you shouldn't.

A shot fighter is completely finished. He probably wouldn't beat any contender of any note. If you can still compete at the Top 10 level, and are still considered a serious contender. You're definitely not shot.

I'd refer to a Champion who's seen his better days, but is still competing at a high level to be faded, but even that isn't entirely accurate because the great ones can still learn to adapt even as they age.

Point is. If they're still fighting and winning in significant fights. They ain't shot.

You are adding "completely" yourself. There are degrees of being shot. When formerly dominant champion starts struggling against B level opposition, he is definitely shot at some degree. Not yet dead, but wounded.

Agree to disagree I guess.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hunter says $30-$40 million needed for Ward to fight Canelo-Kovalev winner

Trainer Virgil Hunter doubts that Andre Ward would come out of retirement to face the Saul Canelo Alvarez vs. Sergey Kovalev winner unless he’s given a “stupid offer.” Hunter says Ward retired the right way with exit strategy to plan his business future.

But if former two division world champion Ward (32-0, 16 KOs) did return to the sport to face the Canelo-Kovalev winner, Hunter believes it would cost $30-$40 million. For Ward to get that much, it would mean that the fight would have to bring in a massive PPV buys.

Hunter says Andre Ward retired the right way

“Andre did it right. I’m sure boxing is always in his blood, the competitiveness is still there, but he’s still a very logical and thoughtful young man,” said Hunter to Behind The Gloves when asked if Andre Ward would return to the ring to fight the Canelo vs. Kovalev winner.

“If he looks at the position he’s in now, a man that did it right, who handled his business right, and who planned for life after boxing with a beautiful exit strategy, that he doesn’t need to fight anymore. He has a great broadcast career. So he’s around the sport, and around the game. So that keeps him interested,” said Hunter.

Ward would have to be offered $30-$40 million to fight Canelo-Kovalev winner

“I don’t think there’s nothing out there that could entice him to come back and fight the winner [of Canelo vs. Kovalev],” said Hunter. “It would have to be something really stupid offer. I think he would consider. It would have to get up to maybe $30-$40 million or me to even suggest to him that, ‘Look, you should take this fight.

“That if they’ll give you a fight in between to prepare for this fight, you should take this fight. It’s money that not only sets you up for your immediate family, but you’re grandchildren, and your great grandchildren. So you should consider it.’ And I’d leave it at that,” said Hunter.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Press Release

The Canelo vs. Kovalev undercard will be brimming with action as it features the returns of Ryan Garcia, Bakhram Murtazaliev, Seniesa Estrada, Marlen Esparza and many others. The event will take place Saturday, Nov. 2 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas and will be streamed live exclusively as one of the most anticipated events this fight season on DAZN.

"We have put a lot of thought into this long-awaited night, and we're eager to deliver one of the best undercards of the year," said Oscar De La Hoya, Chairman and CEO of Golden Boy. "This event will feature some of our brightest talents taking on the toughest fights of their careers. With Ryan Garcia, we have a huge star in the making, but he'll need to get past a tough, hard-hitting contender in Romero Duno to secure his path for a world title. We also have Seniesa Estrada and Marlen Esparza, who will look to final end their rivalry in a fight for the Interim WBA Flyweight Title. So, whether in person or live on DAZN, a new chapter in boxing's history will unfold on November 2."

As announced previously, rising superstar Ryan Garcia (18-0, 15 KOs) of Victorville, Calif. will look to unify the vacant WBC Silver Lightweight Championship with NABO Lightweight Champion "Ruthless" Romero Duno (21-1, 16 KOs) of Cotabato City, Philippines in the 12-round co-main event to Canelo vs. Kovalev. This will be a fight between two of the hardest-hitting lightweights in the Golden Boy stable.

"This is a big moment for me," said Ryan Garcia. "These opportunities don't come often. It's my chance to show what I'm capable of on the biggest stage in boxing. I'm not going to let this opportunity slip. I'm fighting against Romero Duno, the opponent I wanted since the beginning, so I'm going show that I've reached another level on Nov. 2."

"This is the opportunity I've been waiting for," said Romero Duno. "I'm so excited to be part of a such a big night as the co-main event of Canelo vs. Kovalev. This fight has been building up for some time. I've had my eye on Ryan Garcia for a while now. I promise to do everything it takes to beat him on Nov. 2 and take home a big victory for the Philippines!"

Undefeated Russian prospect Bakhram Murtazaliev (16-0, 13 KOs) will face the biggest test of his young career in a 12-round elimination bout with Jorge Fortea (20-1-1, 6 KOs) of Valencia, Spain for the mandatory position in the IBF Junior Middleweight Division. Murtazaliev was originally supposed to fight Jeison Rosario on September 21 for the #1 position but Rosario pulled out due to an injury. This exciting bout will be co-promoted by Main Events and Krusher Promotions in association with Sampson Boxing.

"I have been waiting a long time for this opportunity. I am excited for my first fight with my new trainer, Virgil Hunter. We will be ready on November 2nd to face Fortea and become mandatory challenger. Thank you to my team Main Events, Krusher Promotions, Kathy Duva, Sergey Kovalev, my manager, Egis Klimas and Virgil Hunter for making my dream a reality."

According to Fortea, "It's a moment I have been waiting for whole my life, to be part of the undercard of Canelo vs Kovalev for my US debut is like a dream. I trained 15 years for this. I want to thank Sampson Lewkowicz for making it true, Main Events and Golden Boy for hosting the eliminator. Murtazaliev is indeed a strong and dangerous boxer but I will be ready for that and my skills will prevail. I won't waste the opportunity to fight for a world title"

"Bakhram is a terrific fighter and we are so pleased to be able to give him this great opportunity on such an auspicious night," said Main Events' CEO Kathy Duva. "With any luck, Main Events and Krusher promotions will have another world champion soon."

Two of the most exciting and popular female boxers in the sport today will finally settle their heated rivalry as Seniesa "Superbad" Estrada (17-0, 7 KOs) of East Los Angeles, Calif. and Marlen Esparza (7-0, 1 KOs) of Houston, Texas battle for the vacant Interim WBA Flyweight Title. This clash has been building up for over two years as both fighters have been exchanging words over social media and various interviews.

"Thank you to my promoter Golden Boy, especially Roberto Diaz for making this fight possible," said Seniesa Estrada. "I'm happy to give the fans the fight they've been wanting to see. I'm looking forward to representing women's boxing in a positive way. I'm going to put on a great show and demonstrate my skills, showing things that people have not yet seen from me. Thank you to all the people who continue to support me."

"My team and I have been pushing for this fight," said Marlen Esparza. "I know this is what the fans want. Now I'm forcing her to back up everything she has ever said. She knows it's going to be a long night for her."

Blair "The Flair" Cobbs (12-0-1, 8 KOs), a fan-favorite native of Philadelphia, will fight for the vacant NABF Welterweight Title against Carlos Ortiz (11-4, 11 KOs) of Torreon, Mexico. Cobbs is an exciting, unconventional fighter who has taken the undefeated records of Ferdinand "Lucky Boy" Kerobyan and most recently against Steve "Manos de Oro" Villalobos.

Rising 17-year-old prospect Tristan Kalkreuth (2-0, 2 KOs) of Duncanville, Texas will return in a four-round cruiserweight fight.

Meiirim Nursultanov (12-0, 8 KOs) of Merki, Kazakhstan will fight in a 10-roumd middleweight battle against Cristian Olivas (16-5, 13 KOs) of San Ysidro, California for the WBC - USNBC Middleweight Title. Nursultanov is a top prospect in the hot middleweight division and is current ranked #10 in the IBF. Olivas hits hard with power in both hands and has never been stopped. This should be an explosive match-up.

Evan Holyfield, the son of legendary Hall of Famer Evander "Real Deal" Holyfield, will make his much-anticipated professional debut in a four-round junior middleweight fight against Nick Winstead (0-1) of Abita Springs, La.

[boxing_rocks]

Let's see if Kova can land some good jabs on Canelo.

[RonnyJ]

the jab is a beautiful punch. so simple so effective.

[sturm vogel]

Let's see if Kova can land some good jabs on Canelo.

Nice video. Ward really looked panicked and desperate there. So what did he and Hunter do next? Oh yes, I recall, they cooked up a plan to attack Kovalev below the belt and call it body punching.

[Ilya Muromets]

the jab is a beautiful punch. so simple so effective.

It's the one thing I actually learned about from my trainer when I was boxing! It was easy to learn. Even I learned it. But not as much fun as a nice hard right hook ka-pow!

[boxing_rocks]

Let's see if Kova can land some good jabs on Canelo.

Nice video. Ward really looked panicked and desperate there. So what did he and Hunter do next? Oh yes, I recall, they cooked up a plan to attack Kovalev below the belt and call it body punching.

Ward did the only thing he could do to win. Kovalev is a better and stronger boxer, so Ward couldn't win clean. The guilt is on the ref who allowed that.

[Enlightened-One]

Conveying a blatantly misrepresented account of ancient history will have no effect whatsoever on Sergey Kovalev’s inevitable demise to Canelo.

Canelo will beat Krusher convincingly, by late stoppage or unanimous decision, but the Mexican won’t receive any kudos from fight fans, because his achievement will be belittled by the fact he beat a shot fighter that had personal troubles outside the ring.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Let's see if Kova can land some good jabs on Canelo.

Didn’t realise his jabs are kinda like GGG’s.. knocks his opponents had back.

[margaret thatcher]

He has hurt many opponents with the jab, including at least 3 stoppages with it. He might have the hardest jab division for divisison in boxing, though some still act like he's just a crude slugger. He's actually a very good long range boxer.

[Ricky]

Originally i liked Canelo for this, but I'm slowly starting to sway over to Kov.

[greg]

.......

Canelo will beat Krusher convincingly, by late stoppage or unanimous decision, but the Mexican won’t receive any kudos from fight fans, because his achievement will be belittled by the fact he beat a shot fighter that had personal troubles outside the ring.

..whether Canelo "convincingly" beats Kovalev certainly remains to be seen. The Mexican usually receives no kudos for two(?) simple reasons: he's perceived to be a cheat and is a protected boxer imo..

[Enlightened-One]

.......

Canelo will beat Krusher convincingly, by late stoppage or unanimous decision, but the Mexican won’t receive any kudos from fight fans, because his achievement will be belittled by the fact he beat a shot fighter that had personal troubles outside the ring.

..whether Canelo "convincingly" beats Kovalev certainly remains to be seen. The Mexican usually receives no kudos for two(?) simple reasons: he's perceived to be a cheat and is a protected boxer imo..

Can you please clarify what you mean by “protected”?

His resume seems pretty impressive to me.

[greg]

..I don't mean his level of opposition, rather the venue...

[gilgamesh]

..whether Canelo "convincingly" beats Kovalev certainly remains to be seen. The Mexican usually receives no kudos for two(?) simple reasons: he's perceived to be a cheat and is a protected boxer imo..

Can you please clarify what you mean by “protected”?

His resume seems pretty impressive to me.

You have to knock him out or shut him out to beat him. That's what's meant by protected. Nobody is gonna beat him in a close contest until they're trying to build the next big star off of him in 5 or 6 years.

Essentially his opponents have to go into his matches anticipating that a decision victory over him is all, but impossible.

[boxing_rocks]

I am sure refs will do their best to protect him if he ever needs that. Nobody will be allowed to repeatedly low blow, headbutt, elbow, etc. Canelo and if he is hurt, count won't be too fast and a doctor may want to check him after that. That's just how it works with stars of boxing show business.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Canelo said he plans on weighing 175 pounds for this.

[sturm vogel]

Can you please clarify what you mean by “protected”?

His resume seems pretty impressive to me.

You have to knock him out or shut him out to beat him. That's what's meant by protected. Nobody is gonna beat him in a close contest until they're trying to build the next big star off of him in 5 or 6 years.

Essentially his opponents have to go into his matches anticipating that a decision victory over him is all, but impossible.

Well written. He is always fighting "at home" with all the advantages a home fighter gets. Mayweather and Ward enjoyed the same benefits.

[adislav123]

it's just shit. something should change.

overruling decisions by a 100% neutral, absolutely objective comission should be somehow installed the day after the fight.

the definite result is announced monday morning.

it should consist of at least 5 people above any suspicion. they get paid by all the organisations to provide objective fair results in all the main title fights.

the controversy after the fight stays but come monday morning all the shite that went wrong in which every way gets clinicaly analysed, exposed. result approved or changed.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Cent0089]

Is there some recent training videos of canelo and Kovalev? or something like 24/7 series ?

[Thomastearns]

You have to knock him out or shut him out to beat him. That's what's meant by protected. Nobody is gonna beat him in a close contest until they're trying to build the next big star off of him in 5 or 6 years.

Essentially his opponents have to go into his matches anticipating that a decision victory over him is all, but impossible.

Well written. He is always fighting "at home" with all the advantages a home fighter gets. Mayweather and Ward enjoyed the same benefits.

Tried and tested business plan. Made and kept some people very wealthy. Subscription is the new game in town, the new approved business plan strategy. Can the DAZN pull off their long term plan? Well, they're still in the pyramid sales game as of October 2019.

Eventually a successor to Alvarez will be found and annointed (protected, excused, fawned upon etc) and so it goes. Everyone wants a good deal, and that's fair enough but boxing is a real jungle out there with few rules.

Hopefully sites like this can expose the fraud and point newbies towards the real fights, ie 50/50 or 60/40 matchups. Any odds worse than that start to give off a bad odour in a sport where the bright overhead lights might be the last thing you ever see if you get too brave.

I'd say that it's an 80/20 matchup between Canelo and the Krusher, bearing in mind that even Joshua v Ruiz was no worse than 60/40.

[drunkenpiper36]

Risky proposition for Alvarez. He’s jumping two weight classes. Then again Kovalev is 36 years old and has looked vulnerable over the past couple of years. Pick em fight I suppose. But if Canelo wins I hope he doesn’t hang around 175. That would be tempting fate.