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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 03 Mar 2021, 19:17
by Crease
Call me crazy... But I voted for Billy to do it on points... But it really could be a mission impossible...

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 05:22
by mickey1975
I’m putting it out there.... Is Canelo slightly overrated? It’s been close every time he’s fought anyone good, could easily be 0-3 against elite guys and I totally dismiss Rocky and Yildrim. Giving C Smith a few weeks notice was bad, too.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 06:27
by dbf
Saunders doesn't live the life year round and hasn't boxed in anywhere near the class of Canelo. He may look good for a few rounds but, and especially at 168, he will fade and I think Canelo stops him 9-12.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 08:02
by bigjack
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 05:22 I’m putting it out there.... Is Canelo slightly overrated? It’s been close every time he’s fought anyone good, could easily be 0-3 against elite guys and I totally dismiss Rocky and Yildrim. Giving C Smith a few weeks notice was bad, too.
Callum smith was a good fighter,not elite but very decent and he played with him and had it all his own way,yes some of his elite opposition were close fights,which shows really anyone below that level is getting a beating,is Saunders elite ?

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 08:13
by Oiky
I think if anyone can beat Canelo then Bill can

Can make it a very hard nights work for Canelo,I rate Canelo highly but bill is very skilled and I think people's views on him are getting in the way of their views on his chances

Course he could do with being more active for this,but he will turn up trust me

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 08:28
by Cyclops
bigjack wrote: 02 Mar 2021, 03:08
Cyclops wrote: 01 Mar 2021, 18:38
bigjack wrote: 01 Mar 2021, 18:02

Before Canelo ko'd him he had been ko'd once and the other i'm sure you will know was a blatant foul -do you ever watch boxing ?
As much as I liked Kov Ward had given him a decent old crack that definitely put some water in the basement before the testicle punishing finish. And do you deny the obvious slide of the once fearsome Russian, and the clear and increased chin deficiency, or are we trying to pretend Kov was still some kind of destroyer when he fought ginger bollocks?

I told you: Canelo by KO was my prediction before that fight. And that was because Kovalev had looked so fragile since Ward took his soul. So I watch boxing and, if I'm interested, I generally get it right. What result did you pick?
And yet in a previous post you said you DIDN'T predict a Canelo ko ? Kovalev did decline but when was he thought of as chinny ?
No I didn't. Don't make stuff up.

"I didn't vote Canelo by KO in the build up because I thought he'd be the fighter from Ward 1." Is that the sentence you want to try and take out of all the context surrounding it where I said he was chinny and a shot fighter ready to stopped when Canelo fought him? Why don't you slow down and read posts properly?

He's been thought of as chinny for quite some time. It's no new observation.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 08:36
by blanca
Anyone who thinks Saunders gets even close to beating Canelo needs to have a word with themselves. Hopefully Saunders gets the snot knocked out of him just because he's a horrid little scrote, but I can see him running away for a points defeat.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 08:36
by Cyclops
Oiky wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:13 I think if anyone can beat Canelo then Bill can

Can make it a very hard nights work for Canelo,I rate Canelo highly but bill is very skilled and I think people's views on him are getting in the way of their views on his chances

Course he could do with being more active for this,but he will turn up trust me
I don't think he'll do it but if the odds are insane as I expect them to be I'll stick a couple of quid on it for fun.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 08:47
by bigjack
Cyclops wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:28
bigjack wrote: 02 Mar 2021, 03:08
Cyclops wrote: 01 Mar 2021, 18:38
As much as I liked Kov Ward had given him a decent old crack that definitely put some water in the basement before the testicle punishing finish. And do you deny the obvious slide of the once fearsome Russian, and the clear and increased chin deficiency, or are we trying to pretend Kov was still some kind of destroyer when he fought ginger bollocks?

I told you: Canelo by KO was my prediction before that fight. And that was because Kovalev had looked so fragile since Ward took his soul. So I watch boxing and, if I'm interested, I generally get it right. What result did you pick?
And yet in a previous post you said you DIDN'T predict a Canelo ko ? Kovalev did decline but when was he thought of as chinny ?
No I didn't. Don't make stuff up.

"I didn't vote Canelo by KO in the build up because I thought he'd be the fighter from Ward 1." Is that the sentence you want to try and take out of all the context surrounding it where I said he was chinny and a shot fighter ready to stopped when Canelo fought him? Why don't you slow down and read posts properly?

He's been thought of as chinny for quite some time. It's no new observation.
I've moved on from this as i was bored with it :zzz:

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 08:54
by Cyclops
bigjack wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:47
Cyclops wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:28
bigjack wrote: 02 Mar 2021, 03:08

And yet in a previous post you said you DIDN'T predict a Canelo ko ? Kovalev did decline but when was he thought of as chinny ?
No I didn't. Don't make stuff up.

"I didn't vote Canelo by KO in the build up because I thought he'd be the fighter from Ward 1." Is that the sentence you want to try and take out of all the context surrounding it where I said he was chinny and a shot fighter ready to stopped when Canelo fought him? Why don't you slow down and read posts properly?

He's been thought of as chinny for quite some time. It's no new observation.
I've moved on from this as i was bored with it :zzz:
You picked the argument, mate.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 08:56
by bigjack
Cyclops wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:54
bigjack wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:47
Cyclops wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:28
No I didn't. Don't make stuff up.

"I didn't vote Canelo by KO in the build up because I thought he'd be the fighter from Ward 1." Is that the sentence you want to try and take out of all the context surrounding it where I said he was chinny and a shot fighter ready to stopped when Canelo fought him? Why don't you slow down and read posts properly?

He's been thought of as chinny for quite some time. It's no new observation.
I've moved on from this as i was bored with it :zzz:
You picked the argument, mate.
Can we be friends ? I don't always agree with my wife but i love her :TU:

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 09:03
by danconnollyeire
I just re-watched the Lemieux and BJS was outstanding that night, his footwork first class, great shot variation..

BUT...

Lemieux was awful. All he did was plough forward and throw the most telegraphed shots. Canelo obvious won't and the fact Canelo is 1) a brilliant counter puncher (see Kirkland fight) and 2) can walk forward and break you down if needs be (Calum Smith) means BJS is going to have to be so imaginative to win and it's very hard to see a clear path to victory

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 09:22
by Oiky
Cyclops wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:36
Oiky wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:13 I think if anyone can beat Canelo then Bill can

Can make it a very hard nights work for Canelo,I rate Canelo highly but bill is very skilled and I think people's views on him are getting in the way of their views on his chances

Course he could do with being more active for this,but he will turn up trust me
I don't think he'll do it but if the odds are insane as I expect them to be I'll stick a couple of quid on it for fun.
Think if you do you'll be pleasantly surprised mate :TU:

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 09:29
by Cyclops
bigjack wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:56
Cyclops wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:54
bigjack wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:47

I've moved on from this as i was bored with it :zzz:
You picked the argument, mate.
Can we be friends ? I don't always agree with my wife but i love her :TU:
:TU: No real harm done, Jack. It's only Boxrec.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 09:58
by bigjack
Cyclops wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 09:29
bigjack wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:56
Cyclops wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 08:54
You picked the argument, mate.
Can we be friends ? I don't always agree with my wife but i love her :TU:
:TU: No real harm done, Jack. It's only Boxrec.
Only Boxrec ? this is the longest relationship i've had :lol:

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 12:20
by PredatorHayds
BJS is a bully. I think as soon as he’s battered for a couple of rounds he will look for a way out.
Retires on his stool after 5 rounds with a ‘damaged shoulder’

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 12:30
by Counter-puncher
PredatorHayds wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 12:20 BJS is a bully. I think as soon as he’s battered for a couple of rounds he will look for a way out.
Retires on his stool after 5 rounds with a ‘damaged shoulder’
I think that's a smart prediction

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 12:35
by bigjack
Counter-puncher wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 12:30
PredatorHayds wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 12:20 BJS is a bully. I think as soon as he’s battered for a couple of rounds he will look for a way out.
Retires on his stool after 5 rounds with a ‘damaged shoulder’
I think that's a smart prediction
That way he could say he wasn't actually beaten properly,looking forward to this one and seeing how Saunders will deal with the best opponent he has ever faced , who is improving and active.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 12:40
by polecateddy
Saunders seems to have some stamina issues, probably due to lax cardio training. The withdrawal after 9 rounds sounds about right, or a survival job where its a shutout for Canelo. I don't think any of the current super middles have much spark about them compared to earlier generations. It's easy pickings for the Mexican.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 13:19
by cormack
bigjack wrote: 03 Mar 2021, 14:37
stevec@france wrote: 03 Mar 2021, 14:06 Blow Job Saunders has been inactive and has fought mediocre opposition for years .

perfect prep for Canelo :KO:
How many of Saunder's opponent would Canelo have struggled with or gone to split decisions/close wins over ?
easy to answer - none

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 14:19
by bigjack
stevec@france wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 13:19
bigjack wrote: 03 Mar 2021, 14:37
stevec@france wrote: 03 Mar 2021, 14:06 Blow Job Saunders has been inactive and has fought mediocre opposition for years .

perfect prep for Canelo :KO:
How many of Saunder's opponent would Canelo have struggled with or gone to split decisions/close wins over ?
easy to answer - none
Exactly,not the best preperation when facing the worlds P4P number 1 for the undisputed title in America

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 14:20
by gilgamesh
A sure fire win for Canelo obviously. Saunders can't knock out Canelo therefore he can't win. Even if he deserved an 8 rounds to 4 decision, the decision would go to Canelo.

So the only question here is how does Canelo win. Simply not possible for Saunders to win.

For the record, I don't think Canelo will need any help in beating Saunders. I think he'll be able to beat him legitimately, but he of course has the help should he need it.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 06 Mar 2021, 05:57
by cormack
gilgamesh wrote: 04 Mar 2021, 14:20 A sure fire win for Canelo obviously. Saunders can't knock out Canelo therefore he can't win. Even if he deserved an 8 rounds to 4 decision, the decision would go to Canelo.

So the only question here is how does Canelo win. Simply not possible for Saunders to win.

For the record, I don't think Canelo will need any help in beating Saunders. I think he'll be able to beat him legitimately, but he of course has the help should he need it.
its all about $$$$$

bjs knows he cant win but wants to get paid the big money which has eluded him because he hasnt been active enough or some may say good enough.

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 06 Mar 2021, 07:28
by Terminator666
Who are the 3% that voted for a Saunders stoppage?

Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

Posted: 06 Mar 2021, 07:49
by (craig)
Terminator666 wrote: 06 Mar 2021, 07:28 Who are the 3% that voted for a Saunders stoppage?
His florist?