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gregregegg wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 04:21 Ben shalom is acting like it would be wayyy to wild for Fraze to fight wardly.

AJ fought for the brittish having never been past 3 rounds.

Joyce debut was a 10 rounder.

DDD was having 10 rounders 4th fight when he was 18… he also fought for the British having never gone past 5 with anyone other than kingpin in punching bag mode… (hardly counts)

Fraze is 31, 6-0 as a pro, but is from the no headgear and round scoring era… so ams and pros arnt so different. Add in a bunch of world boxing super series fights that are basicaly pro… is it 1 to soon? Mabey, but not taking this has hurt his credibility nearly as much as a loss, should have had a crack, probably would have won but if he lost could have said too soon and rebuilt.

gregregegg wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 04:21

Fraze is 31, 6-0 as a pro, but is from the no headgear and round scoring era… so ams and pros arnt so different. Add in a bunch of world boxing super series fights that are basicaly pro… is it 1 to soon?

spudder56 wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 05:37 Do you people really think that frazer is elite level ?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 05:47

spudder56 wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 05:37 Do you people really think that frazer is elite level ?

No, and i have said that many times on here. I don't even think he was elite as an amateur, as daft as that sounds.

maverick23 wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 05:56

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 05:47

spudder56 wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 05:37 Do you people really think that frazer is elite level ?

No, and i have said that many times on here. I don't even think he was elite as an amateur, as daft as that sounds.

I think it depends on what you call elite. He was probably top 10 in the world at a time where there isn’t depth of talent at super heavy.

I thought his opening fight at the Olympics was very close but he was really lucky in the quarter final that his opponent (Aliev from France) got unfairly DQ’d. I had seen Aliev beat Clarke previously and think he would have won without the DQ.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:17 Just saw Shalom using the excuse of Clarke not being ready because he doesn't have enough rounds.

What a donkey this guy is.

Controversial wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:48 I've never heard of the guy Clarke is shown on boxrec as fighting next.
Harry Armstrong 5-1-1 (0 KOs)
Armstrong has zero stoppages and his last two fights were a draw and a points loss.

maverick23 wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:52

Controversial wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 10:48 I've never heard of the guy Clarke is shown on boxrec as fighting next.
Harry Armstrong 5-1-1 (0 KOs)
Armstrong has zero stoppages and his last two fights were a draw and a points loss.

I think they’ve realised that this fight will get a lot of stock after the Wardley stuff so they’re getting someone else in for the June date for Clarke.

coneye wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 06:57 You been watching the iba world championships Mickey , some good lads been on

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 14:31

coneye wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 06:57 You been watching the iba world championships Mickey , some good lads been on

No, I haven't, to be honest. I never even really watched the senior ABA's, only the lads I knew. I've been watching a lot of youths, again because I know a lot of them.

jameswilson wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 20:12 Shalom said Hearn broke the news that it was Harry Armstrong.

2 days or the day before on boxrec Frazer was down as fighting Armstrong, I said it on this thread before Hearn did.

So get it right Shalom. James Wilson on boxrec broke the news that Clarke was fighting Harry Armstrong.

gregregegg wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 23:34 Eddie took a good few years to become a bit of a cock… was really when he got his dazn billion…

Feels like Ben shalom has taken the fast track…

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑13 May 2023, 03:37 I think the reailty is Shalom was frightened half to death on going into a purse bid situation and losing.

He has openely stated he offerd Wardley a 1 fight deal to make the fight that now suddenly he doesnt want to make, because Clarke is a future PPV elite level superstar and he has to protect him when no one else is.

Shalom is finally being scutinised and he's falling well short, the amount of contradicitions is staggering. Remember when he was going to change how fights where scored after the Taylor fight, and people went 'oh what a breath of fresh air our Ben is'

Soon as he sat net to Taylor and was asked about the scoring he shat his load - Ended up making a mess of the rematch and losing Catteral to another promoter.